Re: news.gmane.org (was Re: Awsome Python - chained exceptions

2013-02-18 Thread Terry Reedy 

On 2/18/2013 1:32 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:


2. When positing a new message i must enter my email address and username each
time. The forms are auto-filled for replys but not for new messages. Go figure!


Using the newsreader interface, I get 1 email message per list to verify 
the email address. After that, it is as if I were subscribed. (Some 
mirrored email lists require a subscription at their site, but most 
python.org lists seems not to.) And, of course, Thunderbird fills in 
data for both new messages and replies. I do not know why it would be 
different through the web interface.



3. There is no method to sort the topics by either: "last reply first" or "date
of thread composition". This is probably more suited to a personal newsreader
though.


The monthly archives, which include the current month,
can be accessed by thread, subject, author, or date.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/

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Re: news.gmane.org (was Re: Awsome Python - chained exceptions

2013-02-18 Thread Rick Johnson 
  yahoo.com> writes:
> On 02/17/2013 11:10 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> > For at least the 10th time [...]
> 
> And for at least the 11th time, you are wrong.  There are reasons
> (not applicable to everyone but applicable to many) for using
> Google Groups, among others it is more accessible and easier to 
> use for many than a news reader with Gmane.

I will admit that GG's is easier in this respect. 

However, you /can/ read gmane /without/ a newsreader using the "frames and
threads"  or "flat (blog-like)" web-interface. Although, there are a few issues
that are annoying me:

1. When viewing in the "flat" interface style, the text of the messages is so
small i need to squint whilst reading. Of course i can zoom my web browser,
however, then i get a horizontal scroll bar and some of the post text is
unreachable without scrolling (I really hate horizontal scroll bars!). Not to
mention that i will need to adjust the zoom level back to normal when leaving
the site. 

2. When positing a new message i must enter my email address and username each
time. The forms are auto-filled for replys but not for new messages. Go figure!

3. There is no method to sort the topics by either: "last reply first" or "date
of thread composition". This is probably more suited to a personal newsreader
though.

4. (In the blog style interface) the menu of threads uses a font with
insufficient vertical spacing and everything becomes so jammed together that it
is completely unreadable. I will try to change my browsers' font and see if that
solves the issue; although i am quite fond of my current settings!

> There are ways of mitigating some of the worst characteristics of
> GG posts, see 
> 
>   http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython

Thanks for this link!



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Re: news.gmane.org (was Re: Awsome Python - chained exceptions

2013-02-18 Thread rurpy 
On 02/17/2013 11:10 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 2/18/2013 12:51 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
>  > if you (or anyone else) would be kind enough to recommend an
>  > alternative to this gawd awful software [google groups],
> ?  i'm all ears. My expectations at minimum are:
> 
> For at least the 10th time, there is little to no excuse for reading and 
> writing python-list thru google-groups. The news.gmane.org mirror has 
> multiple interfaces:

And for at least the 11th time, you are wrong.  There are reasons
(not applicable to everyone but applicable to many) for using
Google Groups, among others it is more accessible and easier to 
use for many than a news reader with Gmane.

That you don't like aspects of the posts produced by GG is fine
(I don't either) but it does not justify posting BS claims -- if 
you want people to use Gmane because *you* don't like reading GG
posts then say so but don't claim that doing so is just as easy 
as GG -- it is not.

There are ways of mitigating some of the worst characteristics of
GG posts, see 

  http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython



 
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Re: news.gmane.org (was Re: Awsome Python - chained exceptions

2013-02-18 Thread Kwpolska 
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Rick Johnson
 wrote:
> Terry Reedy  udel.edu> writes:
>> For at least the 10th time, there is little to no excuse for reading and
>> writing python-list thru google-groups. The news.gmane.org mirror has
>> multiple interfaces:
>
> [Sent from gmane.comp.python.general]
>
> Yes you have mentioned this before and for some reason i failed to follow your
> advice. I must have fallen into the trap of familiarity. In any event, if this
> message works i shall use gmane from now on. Thanks Terry!
>
>
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Or something even better: use the Mailman mailing list,
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list (mirrored to
Usenet).
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Re: news.gmane.org (was Re: Awsome Python - chained exceptions

2013-02-17 Thread Rick Johnson 
Terry Reedy  udel.edu> writes:
> For at least the 10th time, there is little to no excuse for reading and 
> writing python-list thru google-groups. The news.gmane.org mirror has 
> multiple interfaces:

[Sent from gmane.comp.python.general]

Yes you have mentioned this before and for some reason i failed to follow your
advice. I must have fallen into the trap of familiarity. In any event, if this
message works i shall use gmane from now on. Thanks Terry!


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news.gmane.org (was Re: Awsome Python - chained exceptions

2013-02-17 Thread Terry Reedy 

On 2/18/2013 12:51 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> if you (or anyone else) would be kind enough to recommend an
> alternative to this gawd awful software [google groups],
?  i'm all ears. My expectations at minimum are:

For at least the 10th time, there is little to no excuse for reading and 
writing python-list thru google-groups. The news.gmane.org mirror has 
multiple interfaces:

'''
Information about gmane.comp.python.general
The archive for this list can be read the following ways:

On the web, using frames and threads.
On the web, using a blog-like, flat interface.
Using an NNTP newsreader.
RSS feeds:
All messages from the list, with excerpted texts.
Topics from the list, with excerpted texts.
All messages from the list, with complete texts.
Topics from the list, with complete texts.
'''


* I only like to read the list from the web, i just hate getting
thousands of emails in my inbox.


A newsreader interface does the same. That is what I use.


* I MUST have mono-spaced font (at least as an option).


That is what I have with Thunderbird. I may have told it once to use 
monospace for newsgroups. You might be able to do the same with a web 
browser.



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