python-hosting.com projects: dead?
It looks to me like python hosting, aka webfaction, have shut down access to all projects hosted under their free hosting for open source python projects program. Including mine (nose). With no notice -- at least none that I received. Surprised doesn't quite cover it. Perhaps someone from python hosting can explain why this was done, why no notice was given (if it wasn't), and how those of us trying to restart our projects elsewhere can get access to our subversion repositories and trac data. JP -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It looks to me like python hosting, aka webfaction, have shut down > access to all projects hosted under their free hosting for open source > python projects program. Including mine (nose). With no notice -- at > least none that I received. > > Surprised doesn't quite cover it. Perhaps someone from python hosting > can explain why this was done, why no notice was given (if it wasn't), > and how those of us trying to restart our projects elsewhere can get > access to our subversion repositories and trac data. Maybe you're overreacting? Try checking the SVN tomorrow. Even Python programs can have downtime. Carl Banks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Carl Banks wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It looks to me like python hosting, aka webfaction, have shut down > > access to all projects hosted under their free hosting for open source > > python projects program. Including mine (nose). With no notice -- at > > least none that I received. > > > > Surprised doesn't quite cover it. Perhaps someone from python hosting > > can explain why this was done, why no notice was given (if it wasn't), > > and how those of us trying to restart our projects elsewhere can get > > access to our subversion repositories and trac data. > > Maybe you're overreacting? Try checking the SVN tomorrow. Even Python > programs can have downtime. I certainly hope so, but this is what I'm reacting to (from http://www.webfaction.com/freetrac): "We're sorry, we're not longer accepting applications for free trac/svn accounts. People have left their Trac sites unattended and as a result our server is being flooded with spam. We need to do some serious cleanup and when that's done we'll accept new applications again (that might take weeks, if not months though). " Unless my reading comprehension skills have completely abandoned me, they aren't saying that they are experiencing downtime. They are saying that they have shut down the service, for weeks or months -- with no notice (again, at least not any that I got). I can understand shutting down projects that are dead and just accumulating spam. I can understand shutting the whole thing down, with a decent notice so that projects don't die with the service. This, I just don't get. I hope I'm overreacting. I hope I can slurp up all of my tickets tomorrow and import them into their new home at google. But I'm not counting on it. JP -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I certainly hope so, but this is what I'm reacting to (from > http://www.webfaction.com/freetrac): > > "We're sorry, we're not longer accepting applications for free trac/svn > accounts. People have left their Trac sites unattended and as a result > our server is being flooded with spam. We need to do some serious > cleanup and when that's done we'll accept new applications again (that > might take weeks, if not months though). " Um, that sounds to me like they're not accepting *new* projects, not that they're shutting down existing ones. Unless *my* reading comprehension skills have completely abandoned me. -- Greg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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greg wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I certainly hope so, but this is what I'm reacting to (from >> http://www.webfaction.com/freetrac): >> >> "We're sorry, we're not longer accepting applications for free trac/svn >> accounts. People have left their Trac sites unattended and as a result >> our server is being flooded with spam. We need to do some serious >> cleanup and when that's done we'll accept new applications again (that >> might take weeks, if not months though). " > > Um, that sounds to me like they're not accepting *new* > projects, not that they're shutting down existing ones. > Unless *my* reading comprehension skills have completely > abandoned me. Well, nose.python-hosting.com (Jason Pellerin's project) is certainly inaccessible to me as well as most of the other free Tracs that I could scrounge up through Google. Jason's not just being paranoid. While it may be temporary and he will get hosting back in a few months(!), it's still down, and apparently without warning (I'm not a party to any of this, so I'm simply going with what Jason wrote). -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth." -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python-hosting.com projects: dead?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It looks to me like python hosting, aka webfaction, have shut down > access to all projects hosted under their free hosting for open source > python projects program. Including mine (nose). With no notice -- at > least none that I received. > > Surprised doesn't quite cover it. Perhaps someone from python hosting > can explain why this was done, why no notice was given (if it wasn't), > and how those of us trying to restart our projects elsewhere can get > access to our subversion repositories and trac data. have you tried mailing webfaction instead of ranting on the usenet? my account was temporarily disabled as well, during an attempt to clean out seemingly abandoned trac instances, but was back online in less than fifteen minutes after I'd mailed them. you'll find the contact info in the mail you got when you signed up. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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> > I certainly hope so, but this is what I'm reacting to (from > > http://www.webfaction.com/freetrac): > > > > "We're sorry, we're not longer accepting applications for free trac/svn > > accounts. People have left their Trac sites unattended and as a result > > our server is being flooded with spam. We need to do some serious > > cleanup and when that's done we'll accept new applications again (that > > might take weeks, if not months though). " > > Um, that sounds to me like they're not accepting *new* > projects, not that they're shutting down existing ones. > Unless *my* reading comprehension skills have completely > abandoned me. Your reading comprehension skills are fine :) We're not accepting *new* projects anymore (for now), but we certainly continue to support existing ones. We would never take down the sites without at least a one month warning ... not that we have any plan to do so anyway... We had to do some serious cleanup and we disabled a lot of Trac sites that looked abandoned (people left their Trac sites open to spammers and our server was crawling under the load caused by these spammers). If your site got disabled by mistake just e-mail us and we'll re-enable it within minutes ... Remi. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Fredrik Lundh wrote: > have you tried mailing webfaction instead of ranting on the usenet? I did. I didn't get a reply within minutes (indeed not until this morning), so I posted a public message to try to find out if anyone knew what was going on -- and also to warn other people whose projects might have suddenly disappeared. As of this morning my project is back online, so my thanks to python hosting/webfaction for that. I'm very grateful to them for the great free service they have provided. I'm sorry that they are getting killed with spam, but I'm also sorry that they chose to handle the problem in the way that they did. I had no way of knowing when I'd have access to my svn repository and tickets again. I'm sure you can understand why I was dismayed by this and why, unfortunately, I'll never be comfortable trusting my data to them again. JP -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > my svn repository and tickets again. I'm sure you can understand why I > was dismayed by this and why, unfortunately, I'll never be comfortable > trusting my data to them again. not really, but maybe I've just worked with computers and human beings long enough not to treat every little hiccup as if it were the end of the world as we know it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Fredrik Lundh wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > my svn repository and tickets again. I'm sure you can understand why I > > was dismayed by this and why, unfortunately, I'll never be comfortable > > trusting my data to them again. > > not really, but maybe I've just worked with computers and human beings > long enough not to treat every little hiccup as if it were the end of > the world as we know it. You're misreading me very badly, or I'm expressing myself very poorly. Either way, you've inferred some kind of spittle-flecked freakout where I did not mean to imply one. JP -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Remi wrote: > We had to do some serious cleanup and we disabled a lot of Trac sites > that looked abandoned (people left their Trac sites open to spammers > and our server was crawling under the load caused by these spammers). Actually, to clarify the DEFAULT configuration for Trac is to leave it open to spam. I don't even use the Trac instance for my project hosted on that server. Richard -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Remi wrote: > We had to do some serious cleanup and we disabled a lot of Trac sites > that looked abandoned (people left their Trac sites open to spammers > and our server was crawling under the load caused by these spammers). Perhaps it would be a good idea to send email to the owners of these accounts letting them know what you've done and how to get it re-enabled. Just shutting it down without any word could be seen as a bit rude. -- Greg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Richard Jones wrote: > Actually, to clarify the DEFAULT configuration for Trac is to leave it open > to spam. That sounds like a really bad choice of default. A bit like the way Windows comes with all the "let anyone in the world send me a virus" options turned on... -- Greg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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My project was temporarily disabled as well even though I had taken measures to block spam and had committed to svn and edited the trac wiki one day before. I was a bit concerned that maybe webfaction had lost my trac and svn during their house cleaning. But I emailed Remi and he had it going again promptly. They provide a great service for free and they give back to the Python community. They deserve our thanks and our patronage. With regard to how they handled it, I think they chose an effective method. Why should they support projects (for free) that aren't active? So just disable the project to see if anyone cares enough to find out why it's gone. Ever so slightly draconian, but good for keeping a clean house. I'm glad they have done this cleaning work, the server seems much more responsive now; no more errors from trac. !!Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > my svn repository and tickets again. I'm sure you can understand why I > > > was dismayed by this and why, unfortunately, I'll never be comfortable > > > trusting my data to them again. > > > > not really, but maybe I've just worked with computers and human beings > > long enough not to treat every little hiccup as if it were the end of > > the world as we know it. > > You're misreading me very badly, or I'm expressing myself very poorly. > Either way, you've inferred some kind of spittle-flecked freakout where > I did not mean to imply one. > > JP -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > As of this morning my project is back online, so my thanks to python > hosting/webfaction for that. I'm very grateful to them for the great > free service they have provided. I'm sorry that they are getting killed > with spam, but I'm also sorry that they chose to handle the problem in > the way that they did. I had no way of knowing when I'd have access to > my svn repository and tickets again. I'm sure you can understand why I > was dismayed by this and why, unfortunately, I'll never be comfortable > trusting my data to them again. As a user of webfaction's commercial web hosting services, I'm glad that they took the responsible action they did to stop spammers affecting those services. Frankly, as a user of a free service, I don't think you have the right to demand an instant response -- though it seems they provided just that to some such users. What you wrote above is a fairly drastic over-reaction. If you need more reliable service, then pay for hosting. Worse, your words would not be much different if they had been calculated to punish the very people trying to help you (I don't say for a moment that was your intent of course!). Like all of us who post messages on the internet , I'm sure you'll now go and think about it for a day before hitting 'reply' again. John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 12/20/06, greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Jones wrote: > > > Actually, to clarify the DEFAULT configuration for Trac is to leave it open > > to spam. > > That sounds like a really bad choice of default. > > A bit like the way Windows comes with all the > "let anyone in the world send me a virus" > options turned on... Not really, Trac's default to be open is great for intranet installations. It is Webfactions own fault that they haven't been able to shield themself from spam by changing Trac's default to something more restrictive. -- mvh Björn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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"BJörn Lindqvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >. It is Webfactions own fault that they haven't been able >to shield themself from spam by changing Trac's default to something >more restrictive. To me, this is a bit too much 'blame the victim'. The fault lies with spammers who are willing to exploit to destruction something they did not build. The rest of us are still learning how to live with the reality of their existence. tjr -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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>> . It is Webfactions own fault that they haven't been able to shield >> themself from spam by changing Trac's default to something more >> restrictive. Terry> To me, this is a bit too much 'blame the victim'. The fault lies Terry> with spammers who are willing to exploit to destruction something Terry> they did not build. The rest of us are still learning how to Terry> live with the reality of their existence. I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around. Maybe the Trac authors should take their share for setting a default that leaves it open to spammers. Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Terry> To me, this is a bit too much 'blame the victim'. The fault lies |Terry> with spammers who are willing to exploit to destruction something |Terry> they did not build. The rest of us are still learning how to |Terry> live with the reality of their existence. | | I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around. To repeat, I place all blame, in any perjoritive sense, on the amoral insectoids who violate the basic behavioral norms of restraint that make civil life possible. Blurring the difference between perpetrators and victims only helps perpetrators. To me, it is like this. We go to a restaurant and sit down together to eat and discuss Python. Some jerk walks in, sits down at our table, and starts shoving handbills in our faces while shouting sales pitches at us. Who is to blame for the disruption? | Maybe the Trac authors should take their share for setting a default | that leaves it open to spammers. Just about every restaurant, store, church, school, park, and so on I have been to has been open to spammers along with legitimate attendees. The Trac authors are among the spammers' victims. I agree that it might be wise for them to notice the cretinoids and adjust accordingly. But they are not to blame for the need to do so. Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
