Re: python doc available in emacs info format?
On Aug 17, 6:43 am, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: btw, is there still [no] info format for python doc? i feel kinda sad [...] Part of this is due to [other peoples fault] Someone started a rst2info project (google it), maybe you want to help this guy out. Though, he might be a techgeeker, so watch out ! -ap -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python doc available in emacs info format?
A.Politz wrote: On Aug 17, 6:43 am, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: btw, is there still [no] info format for python doc? i feel kinda sad [...] Part of this is due to [other peoples fault] Someone started a rst2info project (google it), maybe you want to help this guy out. Though, he might be a techgeeker, so watch out ! -ap Don't bother with this Xah Lee clown. He posts random crap because he thinks everyone wants to hear what he has to say about unrelated subject material and thinks he looks smart for doing it. Unfortunately, he usually lacks a clue about any topic he brings up (and he always starts a new thread like he's some authority). His goals are nothing more than to post arrogant, clueless rants thinking he's showing off. this is why he ALWAYS cross posts to the same groups (Emacs, Python,, Perl, etc.), even when the topic or content has nothing to do with those things. He thinks people in these groups automatically respect him, when most have killfiled him. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python doc available in emacs info format?
info format for Xah Lee writes: in programing elisp in emacs, i can press “Ctrl+h f” to lookup the doc for the function under cursor. is there such facility when coding in perl, python, php? On Dec 11 2008, 6:56 am, Matthias oron...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, try C-h S (or similarly f1 S): (info-lookup-symbol SYMBOL optional MODE) Display the definition of SYMBOL, as found in the relevant manual. When this command is called interactively, it reads SYMBOL from the minibuffer. Note that `the relevant manual' means an info file. With recent emacsen on an Ubuntu distro, python arrives with info files and everything is well configured. It also works with bash, latex, perl, scheme, elisp, awk, texinfo, makefile, libc, or any info file with an index. I noticed that Matthias actually mentioned that info docs is available and bundled out of the box on Ubuntu linux for many popular langs, as of 2008-12. Is that true? Where can i download these info files? As far as i know, a little google search or official doc sites usually don't have a download for info format. I'm interested in getting current version doc for perl, python, php, and ruby. Thanks. Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ ☄ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python doc available in emacs info format?
Xah Lee wrote: btw, is there still info format for python doc? i feel kinda sad that emacs info format has pretty much been deprecated over the past decade. About a decade ago, you still will see now and then people asking for emacs info format of docs (was the days of perl). Today, one don't hear of it. Part of this is due to emacs cult problem. See: Xah, Please do not slag off a project if you want people to help; it tends to put the goat up. It is not Emacs Info format, it is FSF Info format. There is a stand-alone program to read the Info documentation. The program is called info. Ubuntu maintains a package search site, it is on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ However, there seems to be no files named python.*info (regexp) There is a python-docutils package which does contain information in several other formats. This package can be found either via the above site or using apt-cache search python-doc. As info is a FSF format, all FSF produced programs will provide documentation in this format. However Python is not under the auspices of the FSF, so does not need to use this format. BTW, HTML versions of INFO documentation can be generated by info2html or info_to_html on them, or texi2html on the source. Have a nice day, Colin S. Miller -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python doc available in emacs info format?
Colin S. Miller no-spam-thank-...@csmiller.demon.co.uk writes: [...] Ubuntu maintains a package search site, it is on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ However, there seems to be no files named python.*info (regexp) And yet there are info files in python2.5-doc: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/python2.5-doc/filelist. [...] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python doc available in emacs info format?
Please do not slag off a project if you want people to help; it tends to put the goat up. a healthy community needs both positive comment as well as negative to grow. emacs's user base has been rotting off from i estimate more than 50% of programers to less that 1% today. the particular observation about info doc in this thread is a specific example. You can help FSF and emacs to improve, by, for example, trying to help it to evolve with the rapidly changing computing industry, In this case, document formats, provided if you see some of my points as valid. Or, at least consider this eroding awareness of the gnu info format among average programers worth discussing. No disrespect to you, but dismissing it as “troll” or similiar sentiment is not helpful. emacs community is too much cult and pride. FSF and its product the GNU was highly successful in the 1980 and 1990s, with its gcc, emacs, and slew of gnu version of unix tools. A significant part of the reason is because these products at the time is truely better products in comparison to existing ones, that there are almost no substitute. Today, for many variety and complexity of reasons, almost none of this is true, except possiblly a few such as gcc and GPG. The unix shells ways and sed, awk, etc tools has largely been replaced by perl, python, ruby etc, partly due to the changing nature of computing. For GCC itself, and make, yacc, bison etc there are tens of competiting products either commercial or open source. Then there's Java, with its entire suite of tools and libs, and there are tens of truely quality languages out there today other then the ones that GCC can handle. emacs 23, although is fantastic to us emacs fans, but if you look carefully at its feature list, most of it is widely in commericial software about 10 years ago. Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ ☄ On Aug 17, 4:32 am, Colin S. Miller no-spam- thank-...@csmiller.demon.co.uk wrote: Xah Lee wrote: btw, is there still info format for python doc? i feel kinda sad that emacs info format has pretty much been deprecated over the past decade. About a decade ago, you still will see now and then people asking for emacs info format of docs (was the days of perl). Today, one don't hear of it. Part of this is due to emacs cult problem. See: Xah, Please do not slag off a project if you want people to help; it tends to put the goat up. It is not Emacs Info format, it is FSF Info format. There is a stand-alone program to read the Info documentation. The program is called info. Ubuntu maintains a package search site, it is onhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/ However, there seems to be no files named python.*info (regexp) There is a python-docutils package which does contain information in several other formats. This package can be found either via the above site or using apt-cache search python-doc. As info is a FSF format, all FSF produced programs will provide documentation in this format. However Python is not under the auspices of the FSF, so does not need to use this format. BTW, HTML versions of INFO documentation can be generated by info2html or info_to_html on them, or texi2html on the source. Have a nice day, Colin S. Miller -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
python doc available in emacs info format?
btw, is there still info format for python doc? i feel kinda sad that emacs info format has pretty much been deprecated over the past decade. About a decade ago, you still will see now and then people asking for emacs info format of docs (was the days of perl). Today, one don't hear of it. Part of this is due to emacs cult problem. See: • Emacs Modernization http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_modernization.html • Emacs Should Adopt HTML To Replace Texinfo http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_html_vs_info.html • Language, Purity, Cult, and Deception http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/lang_purity_cult_deception.html Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ ☄ On Dec 11 2008, 6:56 am, Matthias oron...@gmail.com wrote: Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com writes: in programing elisp in emacs, i can press “Ctrl+h f” to lookup the doc for the function under cursor. is there such facility when coding in perl, python, php? Yes, try C-h S (or similarly f1 S): (info-lookup-symbol SYMBOL optional MODE) Display the definition of SYMBOL, as found in the relevant manual. When this command is called interactively, it reads SYMBOL from the minibuffer. Note that `the relevant manual' means an info file. With recent emacsen on an Ubuntu distro, python arrives with info files and everything is well configured. It also works with bash, latex, perl, scheme, elisp, awk, texinfo, makefile, libc, or any info file with an index. -- Matthias -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list