the python name

[pritanshsahsani]

why did you kept this name? i want to know the history behind this and the name 
of this snake python.
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Re: From Ben Dean about C++

[mm0fmf]

On 02/01/2019 04:29, Stefan Ram wrote:

   A slide from Ben Deane's talk about C++:

---.
|   |
|   ODD THING #1: ASSIGNMENTS ARE EXPRESSIONS   |
|   |
|  Assignment as an expression is a historical choice.  |
|  It's doing us no favours today.  |
| Assignment should be a statement. |
|   |
'---'

   "Easy To Use, Hard to Misuse: Declarative Style In C++" (talk),
   Ben Deane (2018-05)

   (Yes, he wrote "favours" in this way.)



Probably because he speaks English and not American.

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Re: the python name

[Frank Millman]

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why did you kept this name? i want to know the history behind this and the 
name of this snake python.


I asked google the same question, and this is what it found -

   https://docs.python.org/3/faq/general.html#why-is-it-called-python

HTH

Frank Millman


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How to display video files (mkv, wav, mp4 etc) within a TKinter widget?

[Arie van Wingerden]

I found (mostly fairly old stuff) some questions and a lot of (apparently often 
not working) Python code.

1. does TKinter offer such thing out of the box?
2. or is there another way using TKinter?
3. or do I need another GUI tool (e.g. QT) for this?

TIA
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Re: the python name

[Ben Oliver]

On 18-12-31 22:39:04, pritanshsahs...@gmail.com wrote:
why did you kept this name? i want to know the history behind this and 
the name of this snake python.


It's named after Monty Python [0].

[0] https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/appetite.html


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Re: How to display video files (mkv, wav, mp4 etc) within a TKinter widget?

[Vincent Vande Vyvre]

Le 2/01/19 à 15:17, Arie van Wingerden a écrit :

I found (mostly fairly old stuff) some questions and a lot of (apparently often 
not working) Python code.

1. does TKinter offer such thing out of the box?
2. or is there another way using TKinter?
3. or do I need another GUI tool (e.g. QT) for this?

TIA


With Qt it's very easy to implement a video player.

See this example:

https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vincent-vandevyvre/qarte/qarte-4/view/head:/gui/videoplayer.py

It is implemented into this window:

https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vincent-vandevyvre/qarte/qarte-4/view/head:/gui/uiconcerts.py


Vincent

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Recommendations for a novice user.

[Hüseyin Ertuğrul]

I don't know the software language at all. What do you recommend to beginners 
to learn Python.
What should be the working systematic? How much time should I spend every day 
or how much time should I spend on a daily basis.

Is there any such systematic implementation and success?

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Re: Recommendations for a novice user.

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2019, Hüseyin Ertuğrul wrote:


I don't know the software language at all. What do you recommend to
beginners to learn Python. What should be the working systematic? How much
time should I spend every day or how much time should I spend on a daily
basis.


Hüseyin,

  First, there's the World Wide Web accessible via duckduckgo.com. Search
there for 'learning python' as a start.

  Second, go to www.python.org and look under 'getting started.' There's a
link to this page: .

  Third, you'll find more help here when you first look for solutions
yourself and report what you've done and the results.

Rich
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RE: the python name

[Schachner, Joseph]

Python was started in the late 1980s by Guido Van Rossum, who (until quite 
recently) was the Benevolent Dictator for Life of Python.  His recent strong 
support of Type Annotation was what got it passed - and having to fight for it 
was what convinced him retire from the role of BDFL.  Anyway, at the time, he 
picked the name because he liked Monty Python's Flying Circus. At least, so I 
have read.  

If you don't know what Monty Python's Flying Circus was, I recommend looking 
for YouTube video snippets of it.  (You'll know you've found enough when you 
know the answer to "What's on the telly?" is "There's a penguin on the telly".) 
  

The name "Python" may not make sense, but what sense does the name Java make, 
or even C (unless you know that it was the successor to B), or Haskell or 
Pascal or even BASIC?  Or Caml or Kotlin or Scratch?  Or Oberon or R? Or 
Smalltalk, or SNOBOL?

By the way, C was 50 years old in 2018.  And C++ is still mostly backward 
compatible to C.  int, float, double and char are (still) not objects.   
Strings and arrays are not classes (and so do not have iterators, unless you 
create them).  Until C++ 2014, there was no threading library as part of C++ 
standard. Even though now there is, it's seems to be to be old school.  Look at 
Go (language) to see how concurrency can be built into the language instead of 
made available for optional use. 

 Joseph S.


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Subject: the python name

why did you kept this name? i want to know the history behind this and the name 
of this snake python.

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Re: conda/anaconda and pip3 (pip)

[Hartmut Goebel]

Am 03.12.18 um 18:39 schrieb Paulo da Silva:
> This also has a bad side effect! It reinstalls there some depedencies
> already installed in the conda created environment!
>
> Is there a way to avoid this situation?

Try whether  `pyvenv --system-site-packages` suites you.

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Re: the python name

[MRAB]

On 2019-01-02 19:41, Schachner, Joseph wrote:

Python was started in the late 1980s by Guido Van Rossum, who (until quite 
recently) was the Benevolent Dictator for Life of Python.  His recent strong 
support of Type Annotation was what got it passed - and having to fight for it 
was what convinced him retire from the role of BDFL.  Anyway, at the time, he 
picked the name because he liked Monty Python's Flying Circus. At least, so I 
have read.


[snip]
It was the resistance to assignment expressions, even after his 
pronouncement on the matter, that lead him to retire.

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Re: the python name

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2019, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:


Which was a derivative of BCPL (so one could claim a successor of C
should be named P), ?, mathematician, beginners all-purpose symbolic
instruction code. R? maybe a subtle implication to be better/in-front-of
S. SNOBOL is the ugly one, since the SN come from "string", and the BO
from the middle of "symbolic".


  R is the open source implemention of the S statistical/data analysis
language developed by Chambers at the AT&T Labs. S-Plus is the proprietary,
windows-requiring implementation of S.

Rich

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RE: the python name

[Avi Gross]

Challenge: Can we name any computer language whose name really would suggest it 
was a computer language?

Oh, if you say C is named as being the successor to some form of B, then R (as 
you mentioned) is the successor by some form of backwards reasoning to S as it 
started as not quite S or at least not as expensive. FWIW, T was already in use 
as a dialect of Scheme which was a dialect of LISP ...

And I was there when we were naming C++ as a slightly improved and incremented 
C. Yes, D was considered as well as odd names like Add-One-To-C. Oddly C# was 
not considered. 😊

So, Ada. First female programmer, at least on paper?

A Programming Language? APL.

The endless list goes on. I looked at one such list below and I thought I had 
learned quite a few but apparently a small fraction of what was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages

I think the name is the least important aspect of a computer language.

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Subject: Re: the python name

On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 19:41:36 +, "Schachner, Joseph"
 declaimed the following:


>The name "Python" may not make sense, but what sense does the name Java make, 
>or even C (unless you know that it was the successor to B), or Haskell or 
>Pascal or even BASIC?  Or Caml or Kotlin or Scratch?  Or Oberon or R? Or 
>Smalltalk, or SNOBOL?
>

Which was a derivative of BCPL (so one could claim a successor of C 
should be named P), ?, mathematician, beginners all-purpose symbolic 
instruction code. R? maybe a subtle implication to be better/in-front-of S.
SNOBOL is the ugly one, since the SN come from "string", and the BO from the 
middle of "symbolic".



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Re: the python name

[Larry Martell]

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:04 PM Avi Gross  wrote:
>
> Challenge: Can we name any computer language whose name really would suggest 
> it was a computer language?

COBOL (Common Business-Oriented Language)
FORTRAN (Formula Translation)
PL/1 (Programming Language 1)
ALGOL (Algorithmic Language)
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Re: the python name

[songbird]

Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 19:41:36 +, "Schachner, Joseph"
> declaimed the following:
>
>
>>The name "Python" may not make sense, but what sense does the name Java make, 
>>or even C (unless you know that it was the successor to B), or Haskell or 
>>Pascal or even BASIC?  Or Caml or Kotlin or Scratch?  Or Oberon or R? Or 
>>Smalltalk, or SNOBOL?
>>
>
>   Which was a derivative of BCPL (so one could claim a successor of C
> should be named P), ?, mathematician, beginners all-purpose symbolic
> instruction code. R? maybe a subtle implication to be better/in-front-of S.
> SNOBOL is the ugly one, since the SN come from "string", and the BO from
> the middle of "symbolic".

  i can only claim to have written one program in
SNOBOL and that was over 30yrs ago...

  being new to Python i'm not concerned about the 
name of it as much as having fun in figuring out
what to do with it.


  songbird
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Re: the python name

[songbird]

Rick Johnson wrote:
...
> Of course, no one can predict the consequences of every action. Not even GvR, 
> in is almost infinite wisdom, and his access to a semi-dependable time 
> machine, could predict such a tragedy of epic proportions.
>
> To say i'm saddened by the whole experience, would be an understatement. 
>
> If python dies, then not only will a huge portion of my efforts be wasted on 
> a dead language, but my heart will truly be broken. To me, Python was the 
> "little language that could". Chugging-a-lugging up that hill and overcoming 
> every obstacle with nothing but raw youthful enthusiasm. The underdog that 
> you cheered for. Or the runt, being the most cute and cuddly of them all. 
>
> If this language _can_ be saved, it certainly won't be easy. 
>
> I'm unsure about the current leadership. And even *IF* GvR made some sort of 
> "triumphant return", if he maintains the previous coarse, then the language 
> is doomed. Hmm... Which means, the only path out of this mess is a total 
> re-investment in the community; by every single person involved. 

  if FORTRAN and COBOL aren't dead i don't see Python
going away any time soon.

  if you want to know the perspective of a new person 
to the language and to help out make it better i have
a few suggestions for where to spend your time in a
way that will help out people a great deal.


  songbird
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Re: the python name

[Chris Angelico]

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 5:26 PM songbird  wrote:
>
> Rick Johnson wrote:
> > [ a bunch of irrelevant drivel ]
>
>   if FORTRAN and COBOL aren't dead i don't see Python
> going away any time soon.
>
>   if you want to know the perspective of a new person
> to the language and to help out make it better i have
> a few suggestions for where to spend your time in a
> way that will help out people a great deal.
>

Don't bother replying to Ranting Rick. He's a known troll and his
posts are blocked from the mailing list.

ChrisA
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