So far
I am absolutely loving my experience with Python. Even vs. Ruby, the syntax feels very clean with an emphasis on simplification. My only complaint is that there doesn't appear to be a great commercial IDE for the language. I've tried Komodo, etc and they are nice applications, but they don't feel like they give me the "power" like a Visual Studio or Delphi (I wish I could articulate better the differences).Finding a descent GUI builder has been a challenge as well. Most of them have support for Dialogs, but what about more complex UI's? I may need a resizable frame within a resizable frame? I haven''t found a GUI builder with a great feel yet. Other than that, my experience has been wonderful. Even after my complaints, I plan on sticking with Python for a while. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python's website does a great disservice to the language
I was trying to advocate using Python for an upcoming prototype, so my boss went out to take a look at the documentation and try and get a feel for what the language is all about. First comment; "I hope the language is designed better than the site." The site is readable, but is amateurish. If I had an ounce of design skills in me, I would take a stab at it. Maybe we could round up a couple of designers to donate some time? Maybe we could build a basic CMS on top of Django or TurboGears (displaying Python's capability as a web development stack)? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python's website does a great disservice to the language
Good news Steve. It's definitely time for a sneak preview. Let's see it! "Steve Holden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > CppNewB wrote: >> I was trying to advocate using Python for an upcoming prototype, so my >> boss went out to take a look at the documentation and try and get a feel >> for what the language is all about. >> >> First comment; "I hope the language is designed better than the site." >> The site is readable, but is amateurish. If I had an ounce of design >> skills in me, I would take a stab at it. >> >> Maybe we could round up a couple of designers to donate some time? Maybe >> we could build a basic CMS on top of Django or TurboGears (displaying >> Python's capability as a web development stack)? >> > A redesign is complete, and should be deployed by the end of the year. > > In the meantime please assure your boss that the language *is* far better > designed than the (current) web site, and that he shouldn't judge a bottle > by its label :-) > > [Thinks: wonder if it's time to release a sneak preview]. > > regards > Steve > -- > Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 > Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com > PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ > -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python's website does a great disservice to the language
"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > to post a "can we round up a couple of designers?" message with an in- > flammatory subject line. that algorithm is rather simplistic, and can be If it's any consolation, I did check Google Groups before posting. There's a couple vague posts, most from a couple of years ago, but nothing indivcative that a redesign was right around the corner My query: http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=redesign+website&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=comp.lang.python&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=11&as_maxy=2005&safe=off Inflammatory? Usually the thing you are most defensive about is the subject matter you should be evaluating closer. My thoughts weren't to add a flash demo or develop some 500K logo or fixing the font size. But the logos look like they were done in Paint and maybe a readable default font is in order. Look at the site not as a resource for Python (for which it is a great) but as an entity forming your first impressions of the project. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python's website does a great disservice to the language
"John J. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Robert Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] >> rounded corners. The Python site is clean and to-the-point. I guess I >> could >> admin that the various Python logos look dated, but that's about it. Oh, >> and > [...] > > I love the logos! Exactly my sentiment. I know Python's capabilities and I am more than satisfied. I was introduced by a friend, not the website. But to the masses of asses out there that are quickly evaluating their development choices and jumping from Visual Studio to Delphi's website to Ruby on Rail's website, the aesthetic welcome will be worn out once they get to python.org. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python's website does a great disservice to the language
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > CppNewB>and maybe a readable default font is in order.< > > That font looks fine to me, maybe there's a problem in the default font > of your browser, you can probably fix your problem... > "Explicit is better than implicit" I know how to change my default, you know how to change your default font, but not everyone else does. If there's a more readable, default solution, it should be utilized. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
