Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
Am 27.01.2012 05:03, schrieb François Pinard: Deniz Dogan writes: Unfortunately, that breaks yet another convention, which is that C-c are for users and should not be bound to anything in any external mode. Doing `C-h m' while visiting a Python file, I currently see two culprits: C-c c py-compute-indentation sorry, that's my personal setting slipped in. will remove it Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
Barry Warsaw writes: > On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:03 PM, François Pinard wrote: >>C-x n d py-narrow-to-defun > Is this one a problem? Shouldn't narrow-to-defun be mode-sensitive? (Also, > it doesn't sit on C-c .) Sorry, I misread! Strike this line out in my message! François ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:03 PM, François Pinard wrote: >C-x n d py-narrow-to-defun Is this one a problem? Shouldn't narrow-to-defun be mode-sensitive? (Also, it doesn't sit on C-c .) -Barry ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
Deniz Dogan writes: > Unfortunately, that breaks yet another convention, which is that C-c > are for users and should not be bound to anything in any > external mode. Doing `C-h m' while visiting a Python file, I currently see two culprits: C-c c py-compute-indentation C-x n d py-narrow-to-defun This is important to respect the convention. The space left for users to install their own keybinding is tiny, and should be respected. For one, I have many C-c prefixes, opening into a lot of three keys commands. By the way, let me mention that Org mode has a rather original way to circumvent this convention, without breaking it. If I remember correctly, they clearly and prominently document that users should install these bindings or prefixes themselves, explaining how to do so, and providing examples. Since the user does it, and not them, they are lawful good. Users then choose bindings differently than in the examples, if they know they would clash in some way. Forcefully defining C-c in modes with the excuse that "users may redefine them if they do not like it", is breaking the convention. François ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 21, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Andreas Roehler wrote: > >> Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> On Mar 19, 2010, at 05:12 PM, Reinout van Rees wrote: >>> On 03/19/2010 04:21 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Any objections to C-c C-e? None at all. That e-for-explain you mentioned sounds fine. >>> Cool. Bug updated. >>> -B >>> >>> >> Fix is here: >> >> lp:~a-roehler/python-mode/dont-bind-C-c-C-h-541833 >> >> Merge? > > Approved. > > Done ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On Mar 21, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Andreas Roehler wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Mar 19, 2010, at 05:12 PM, Reinout van Rees wrote: >> >>> On 03/19/2010 04:21 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Any objections to C-c C-e? >>> None at all. That e-for-explain you mentioned sounds fine. >> >> Cool. Bug updated. >> -B >> >> > > Fix is here: > > lp:~a-roehler/python-mode/dont-bind-C-c-C-h-541833 > > Merge? Approved. ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 19, 2010, at 05:12 PM, Reinout van Rees wrote: > >> On 03/19/2010 04:21 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> Any objections to C-c C-e? >> None at all. That e-for-explain you mentioned sounds fine. > > Cool. Bug updated. > -B > > Fix is here: lp:~a-roehler/python-mode/dont-bind-C-c-C-h-541833 Merge? Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 19.03.2010 15:58, schrieb Reinout van Rees: > On 03/19/2010 03:34 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Mar 19, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Reinout van Rees wrote: >> >>> ctrl-h *is* sadly the logical key for some help-related function. Would >>> "ctrl-c h" be an alternative? >> >> Hi Reinout. Is that defined in an Emacs Lisp standard somewhere? I'm having >> a hard time finding /any/ other mode where C-c C-h is bound to anything >> (mail-mode and shell-mode are two others I've checked). > > Hm. It is apparently not as clear-cut as I always took it to be. Emacs' > info (for instance > http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/chemnet/use/info/emacs/emacs_11.html ): > >C-h or F1 means "help" in various other contexts as well. For >example, in query-replace, it describes the options available. >After a prefix key, it displays a list of the alternatives that >can follow the prefix key. (A few prefix keys don't support this >because they define other meanings for C-h.) > > So it *is* apparently OK to use ctrl-h in other meanings! > > But ctrl-c ctrl-h seems to work in every mode I just tested it on: it > gives a nice overview of possible keys. > > I know most basic keybindings, but the particulars of all those major > modes... That's what ctrl-c ctrl-h is for. FWIW, I agree. Binding C-h is almost as ugly as binding C-g. C-c C-e sounds nice. Georg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkujtakACgkQN9GcIYhpnLAQIACeL1NhRMQbaDW/tTx3yg35tpyL sSsAn1KHJKJnq0gL6C5xglRDusiPOBw+ =T6Kz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
>> The C-h binding is very important for discoverability, and I think it >> is a very, very bad idea to bind it to anything. Barry> If we /do/ change it, may I suggest C-c C-e? 'e' being a Barry> mnemonic for 'explain', and C-c C-e is currently unused in Barry> python-mode. Is there any other programming mode with something akin to py-help-at-point? If so, what binding(s) do they use? S ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On Mar 19, 2010, at 05:12 PM, Reinout van Rees wrote: >On 03/19/2010 04:21 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >> Any objections to C-c C-e? > >None at all. That e-for-explain you mentioned sounds fine. Cool. Bug updated. -B signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On 03/19/2010 04:21 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Any objections to C-c C-e? None at all. That e-for-explain you mentioned sounds fine. Reinout -- Reinout van Rees - rein...@vanrees.org - http://reinout.vanrees.org Programmer at http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl "Military engineers build missiles. Civil engineers build targets" ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On Mar 19, 2010, at 03:58 PM, Reinout van Rees wrote: >Hm. It is apparently not as clear-cut as I always took it to be. Emacs' >info (for instance >http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/chemnet/use/info/emacs/emacs_11.html ): > > C-h or F1 means "help" in various other contexts as well. For > example, in query-replace, it describes the options available. > After a prefix key, it displays a list of the alternatives that > can follow the prefix key. (A few prefix keys don't support this > because they define other meanings for C-h.) > >So it *is* apparently OK to use ctrl-h in other meanings! :) >But ctrl-c ctrl-h seems to work in every mode I just tested it on: it >gives a nice overview of possible keys. I'm not opposed to moving it and leaving C-c C-h for common functionality. I know how much it hurts when modes break your DNA-ingrained assumptions (hello, gud?!). Any objections to C-c C-e? -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On 03/19/2010 03:34 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Mar 19, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Reinout van Rees wrote:
ctrl-h *is* sadly the logical key for some help-related function. Would
"ctrl-c h" be an alternative?
Hi Reinout. Is that defined in an Emacs Lisp standard somewhere? I'm having
a hard time finding /any/ other mode where C-c C-h is bound to anything
(mail-mode and shell-mode are two others I've checked).
Hm. It is apparently not as clear-cut as I always took it to be. Emacs'
info (for instance
http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/chemnet/use/info/emacs/emacs_11.html ):
C-h or F1 means "help" in various other contexts as well. For
example, in query-replace, it describes the options available.
After a prefix key, it displays a list of the alternatives that
can follow the prefix key. (A few prefix keys don't support this
because they define other meanings for C-h.)
So it *is* apparently OK to use ctrl-h in other meanings!
But ctrl-c ctrl-h seems to work in every mode I just tested it on: it
gives a nice overview of possible keys.
I know most basic keybindings, but the particulars of all those major
modes... That's what ctrl-c ctrl-h is for.
Similarly the version control (minor?) mode: ctrl-x v ctrl-h ("what was
the annotate/blame/praise command again?")
And I just discovered that the "emacs starter kit" I'm using has
re-bound ctrl-x ctrl-h to some open-a-url function, sigh :-)
Reinout
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Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On Mar 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Rohan Nicholls wrote: >The C-h binding is very important for discoverability, and I think it >is a very, very bad idea to bind it to anything. If we /do/ change it, may I suggest C-c C-e? 'e' being a mnemonic for 'explain', and C-c C-e is currently unused in python-mode. -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On Mar 19, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Reinout van Rees wrote: >> Line 692: >>(define-key py-mode-map "\C-c\C-h" 'py-help-at-point) > >Ouch. Yes, that's evil. It breaks a major emacs convention. > >ctrl-h *is* sadly the logical key for some help-related function. Would >"ctrl-c h" be an alternative? Hi Reinout. Is that defined in an Emacs Lisp standard somewhere? I'm having a hard time finding /any/ other mode where C-c C-h is bound to anything (mail-mode and shell-mode are two others I've checked). -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On Mar 19, 2010, at 09:54 AM, Reinout van Rees wrote: >ctrl-c ctrl-h: show everything I can do after ctrl-c here. C-c C-h is not bound to anything in c-mode or conf-mode AFAICT. So, if it's not a standard Emacs key binding, does that mean it's explicitly reserved for users by Emacs? -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
> "Deniz" == Deniz Dogan writes: Deniz> Maybe C-c C-? would work, but I'm not sure how that is recognized Deniz> by terminals. Not at all on my Sun (Intel) box running Solaris 10 with a Dell keyboard. It maps to C-c ?... S ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
2010/3/19 Reinout van Rees : > On 03/19/2010 10:57 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote: >> >> 2010/3/19 Reinout van Rees: >>> >>> (What I don't know is where in python mode he found a ctrl-h binding, >>> btw). >>> >> >> In python-mode.el with py-version "5.1.0+" whatever that means: >> >> Line 692: >> (define-key py-mode-map "\C-c\C-h" 'py-help-at-point) > > Ouch. Yes, that's evil. It breaks a major emacs convention. > > ctrl-h *is* sadly the logical key for some help-related function. Would > "ctrl-c h" be an alternative? > Unfortunately, that breaks yet another convention, which is that C-c are for users and should not be bound to anything in any external mode. C-c ? would be okay, but that's already bound to py-describe-mode. Maybe C-c C-? would work, but I'm not sure how that is recognized by terminals. -- Deniz Dogan ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
s...@pobox.com wrote: > Deniz> In python-mode.el with py-version "5.1.0+" whatever that means: > > Deniz> Line 692: > Deniz> (define-key py-mode-map "\C-c\C-h" 'py-help-at-point) > > Yeah, that was probably my doing a long time ago. > > Skip > ___ > Python-mode mailing list > Python-mode@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode > Thanks Deniz, thanks all, made a bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode/+bug/541833 Any suggestions how to replace the key? Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
Deniz> In python-mode.el with py-version "5.1.0+" whatever that means: Deniz> Line 692: Deniz> (define-key py-mode-map "\C-c\C-h" 'py-help-at-point) Yeah, that was probably my doing a long time ago. Skip ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On 03/19/2010 10:57 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote: 2010/3/19 Reinout van Rees: (What I don't know is where in python mode he found a ctrl-h binding, btw). In python-mode.el with py-version "5.1.0+" whatever that means: Line 692: (define-key py-mode-map "\C-c\C-h" 'py-help-at-point) Ouch. Yes, that's evil. It breaks a major emacs convention. ctrl-h *is* sadly the logical key for some help-related function. Would "ctrl-c h" be an alternative? Reinout -- Reinout van Rees - rein...@vanrees.org - http://reinout.vanrees.org Programmer at http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl "Military engineers build missiles. Civil engineers build targets" ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
2010/3/19 Reinout van Rees : > On 03/19/2010 07:27 AM, Andreas Roehler wrote: >> >> Deniz Dogan wrote: >>> >>> 2010/3/18 Andreas Roehler: Deniz Dogan wrote: > > Please, don't bind C-c C-h to anything. This prevents people from > viewing all the bindings that start with C-c, which C-c C-h would > normally display. > Hi Deniz, it may help, if you write your suggestion into the bug-tracker. So it doesn't get lost. https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode When reporting, please explain a little bit more the reasons. What's there as mentioned normally for you? Exists some coding convention which contradicts? Thanks taking part >>> >>> Would someone mind reporting the issue there for me? I don't plan on >>> using Launchpad any time soon other than for this. If anyone gets >>> around to doing that, you can use the following description of the >>> problem: >>> >>> I'm not sure there is an actual convention that says one shouldn't use >>> C-h in a key sequence. However, I often use C-h as a "suffix" key to >>> find out more about key sequences that start out a certain way. You >>> can try this by hitting e.g. "C-x n C-h", which should give you: >>> >>> C-x n d narrow-to-defun >>> C-x n n narrow-to-region >>> C-x n p narrow-to-page >>> C-x n w widen >>> >>> I use this feature quite often in Emacs and I'm sure some other people >>> do it to. Of course, one can use "C-h m" to find out more about the >>> mode-specific key bindings, but there is still use for C-h as a >>> suffix, as it shows you _all_ of the bindings that start with a >>> particular key sequence. >>> >> >> You mentioned a binding starting with C-c, not with C-x as your example >> shows now. >> So the matter is done? > > Nope. What he actually meant was "don't use ctrl-h in a binding". Regardless > of whether it is ctrl-c or ctrl-x or ctrl-ä. > > Ctrl-h is the standard emacs key you can press anywhere in a sequence of > alt/ctrl commands to get a description of everything that's possible there. > > ctrl-c ctrl-h: show everything I can do after ctrl-c here. > > ctrl-x v ctrl-h: what where those version control commands again... > > > (What I don't know is where in python mode he found a ctrl-h binding, btw). > > Reinout > In python-mode.el with py-version "5.1.0+" whatever that means: Line 692: (define-key py-mode-map "\C-c\C-h" 'py-help-at-point) -- Deniz Dogan ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
On 03/19/2010 07:27 AM, Andreas Roehler wrote: Deniz Dogan wrote: 2010/3/18 Andreas Roehler: Deniz Dogan wrote: Please, don't bind C-c C-h to anything. This prevents people from viewing all the bindings that start with C-c, which C-c C-h would normally display. Hi Deniz, it may help, if you write your suggestion into the bug-tracker. So it doesn't get lost. https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode When reporting, please explain a little bit more the reasons. What's there as mentioned normally for you? Exists some coding convention which contradicts? Thanks taking part Would someone mind reporting the issue there for me? I don't plan on using Launchpad any time soon other than for this. If anyone gets around to doing that, you can use the following description of the problem: I'm not sure there is an actual convention that says one shouldn't use C-h in a key sequence. However, I often use C-h as a "suffix" key to find out more about key sequences that start out a certain way. You can try this by hitting e.g. "C-x n C-h", which should give you: C-x n d narrow-to-defun C-x n n narrow-to-region C-x n p narrow-to-page C-x n w widen I use this feature quite often in Emacs and I'm sure some other people do it to. Of course, one can use "C-h m" to find out more about the mode-specific key bindings, but there is still use for C-h as a suffix, as it shows you _all_ of the bindings that start with a particular key sequence. You mentioned a binding starting with C-c, not with C-x as your example shows now. So the matter is done? Nope. What he actually meant was "don't use ctrl-h in a binding". Regardless of whether it is ctrl-c or ctrl-x or ctrl-ä. Ctrl-h is the standard emacs key you can press anywhere in a sequence of alt/ctrl commands to get a description of everything that's possible there. ctrl-c ctrl-h: show everything I can do after ctrl-c here. ctrl-x v ctrl-h: what where those version control commands again... (What I don't know is where in python mode he found a ctrl-h binding, btw). Reinout -- Reinout van Rees - rein...@vanrees.org - http://reinout.vanrees.org Programmer at http://www.nelen-schuurmans.nl "Military engineers build missiles. Civil engineers build targets" ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
I am going to weigh in here. Denis is absolutely correct. It is an official binding and convention in emacs, and I believe xemacs. C-h is sacred. It has a bunch of functionality behind it tied in with prefix keys. This means that in creating a map, and binding it to a prefix key, when you hit: , C-h it will list all the bindings for that key's map. As a very practical example, I use F5 for various org-mode functionality. This is accomplished by defining F5 as a prefix key, and binding a keymap I populated with various bindings to that key. Now whenever I forget (frequently) what I had bound to what I just hit F5,C-h and all the bindings are displayed. And this holds for C-c. If I hit C-c,C-h it is because I want to see what the bindings are for the current mode. I and many other emacs users would be seriously thrown, not to say upset, if this functionality was changed. The C-h binding is very important for discoverability, and I think it is a very, very bad idea to bind it to anything. Just my 2 cents worth. Thanks, Rohan On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Andreas Roehler wrote: > Deniz Dogan wrote: >> 2010/3/18 Andreas Roehler : >>> Deniz Dogan wrote: Please, don't bind C-c C-h to anything. This prevents people from viewing all the bindings that start with C-c, which C-c C-h would normally display. >>> Hi Deniz, >>> >>> it may help, if you write your suggestion into the bug-tracker. So it doesn't get lost. >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode >>> >>> When reporting, please explain a little bit more the reasons. What's there as mentioned normally for you? >>> Exists some coding convention which contradicts? >>> >>> Thanks taking part >>> >> >> Would someone mind reporting the issue there for me? I don't plan on >> using Launchpad any time soon other than for this. If anyone gets >> around to doing that, you can use the following description of the >> problem: >> >> I'm not sure there is an actual convention that says one shouldn't use >> C-h in a key sequence. However, I often use C-h as a "suffix" key to >> find out more about key sequences that start out a certain way. You >> can try this by hitting e.g. "C-x n C-h", which should give you: >> >> C-x n d narrow-to-defun >> C-x n n narrow-to-region >> C-x n p narrow-to-page >> C-x n w widen >> >> I use this feature quite often in Emacs and I'm sure some other people >> do it to. Of course, one can use "C-h m" to find out more about the >> mode-specific key bindings, but there is still use for C-h as a >> suffix, as it shows you _all_ of the bindings that start with a >> particular key sequence. >> > > You mentioned a binding starting with C-c, not with C-x as your example shows now. > So the matter is done? > > > > ___ > Python-mode mailing list > Python-mode@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode > ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
Deniz Dogan wrote: > 2010/3/18 Andreas Roehler : >> Deniz Dogan wrote: >>> Please, don't bind C-c C-h to anything. This prevents people from >>> viewing all the bindings that start with C-c, which C-c C-h would >>> normally display. >>> >> Hi Deniz, >> >> it may help, if you write your suggestion into the bug-tracker. So it >> doesn't get lost. >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode >> >> When reporting, please explain a little bit more the reasons. What's there >> as mentioned normally for you? >> Exists some coding convention which contradicts? >> >> Thanks taking part >> > > Would someone mind reporting the issue there for me? I don't plan on > using Launchpad any time soon other than for this. If anyone gets > around to doing that, you can use the following description of the > problem: > > I'm not sure there is an actual convention that says one shouldn't use > C-h in a key sequence. However, I often use C-h as a "suffix" key to > find out more about key sequences that start out a certain way. You > can try this by hitting e.g. "C-x n C-h", which should give you: > > C-x n d narrow-to-defun > C-x n n narrow-to-region > C-x n p narrow-to-page > C-x n w widen > > I use this feature quite often in Emacs and I'm sure some other people > do it to. Of course, one can use "C-h m" to find out more about the > mode-specific key bindings, but there is still use for C-h as a > suffix, as it shows you _all_ of the bindings that start with a > particular key sequence. > You mentioned a binding starting with C-c, not with C-x as your example shows now. So the matter is done? ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
2010/3/18 Andreas Roehler : > Deniz Dogan wrote: >> Please, don't bind C-c C-h to anything. This prevents people from >> viewing all the bindings that start with C-c, which C-c C-h would >> normally display. >> > > Hi Deniz, > > it may help, if you write your suggestion into the bug-tracker. So it doesn't > get lost. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode > > When reporting, please explain a little bit more the reasons. What's there as > mentioned normally for you? > Exists some coding convention which contradicts? > > Thanks taking part > Would someone mind reporting the issue there for me? I don't plan on using Launchpad any time soon other than for this. If anyone gets around to doing that, you can use the following description of the problem: I'm not sure there is an actual convention that says one shouldn't use C-h in a key sequence. However, I often use C-h as a "suffix" key to find out more about key sequences that start out a certain way. You can try this by hitting e.g. "C-x n C-h", which should give you: C-x n d narrow-to-defun C-x n n narrow-to-region C-x n p narrow-to-page C-x n w widen I use this feature quite often in Emacs and I'm sure some other people do it to. Of course, one can use "C-h m" to find out more about the mode-specific key bindings, but there is still use for C-h as a suffix, as it shows you _all_ of the bindings that start with a particular key sequence. -- Deniz Dogan ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
Deniz Dogan wrote: > Please, don't bind C-c C-h to anything. This prevents people from > viewing all the bindings that start with C-c, which C-c C-h would > normally display. > Hi Deniz, it may help, if you write your suggestion into the bug-tracker. So it doesn't get lost. https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode When reporting, please explain a little bit more the reasons. What's there as mentioned normally for you? Exists some coding convention which contradicts? Thanks taking part Andreas -- https://code.launchpad.net/~a-roehler/python-mode https://code.launchpad.net/s-x-emacs-werkstatt/ ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
[Python-mode] Don't bind C-c C-h
Please, don't bind C-c C-h to anything. This prevents people from viewing all the bindings that start with C-c, which C-c C-h would normally display. -- Deniz Dogan ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
