Re: [python-uk] The London Python Code Dojo is coming back next Thursday

[S Walker]

The Popular Python Dojo?

S

On 02/04/2019 16:45, Tim Golden wrote:
Start a spin-off: The South Coast Python Code Dojo?

Or maybe "The Cinque Ports Python Code Dojo" sounds a bit grander?
[I'm sure there's a Monty Python reference there somewhere as well, riffing on 
the not-so-cinq Cinque Ports]

TJG

On 02/04/2019 16:41, Steve Holden wrote:
Alas no longer quite as practical now I'm living in Hastings.

regards
Steve Holden


On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:55 PM Tim Golden 
mailto:m...@timgolden.me.uk>> wrote:
*Cough* obviously -- on Thursday evening. I mean: I hope you do have fun 
tomorrow evening, but if you want to enjoy yourself with us at the London 
Python Code Dojo you'll have to wait until Thursday

TJG

On 02/04/2019 15:52, Tim Golden wrote:
We've still got some tickets left, so please sign up and join the fun tomorrow 
evening:

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444

TJG

On 29/03/2019 11:21, Gautier HAYOUN wrote:
Dear python-uk,

The London Python Code Dojo is coming back for a new season next Thursday, the 
4th of April at 6:30PM.

We will be coming back to Sohonet near Oxford Circus.

We will have our usual mixture of socialising, lightning talks, hacking on 
silly problems. For those who wish, there will be post-Dojo socialising in a 
nearby pub.

So book now for a free ticket at 
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444

The address:
Sohonet
5 Soho Street
London
W1D 3QL

See you next week!
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Re: [python-uk] Benevolent Dictator On Permanent Vacation

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While it's a couple of months away, perhaps a send-off at PyconUK (assuming the 
organisers are happy with that) would be appropriate?

S

On 12/07/18 18:25, Peter Inglesby wrote:
Hi folks,

You may already have seen that Guido is stepping back from his position as 
Python's BDFL, and you can read more 
here.

I'm not sure anybody knows what this'll mean in practice, but I thought it 
might be a good opportunity for us as the UK Python community to say thanks to 
Guido for everything he's done.

Does anybody have any good ideas for how we could do this?

Peter.



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[python-uk] London python projects meetup- Thursday 18th January

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A meetup for hacking on projects- you know the project I'm talking
about, the one you keep having to find excuses for not working on. *smiles*
https://www.meetup.com/London-Python-Project-Nights/events/tfhrdpyxcbxb/

I'm going to be looking for a venue in Central London over the next
week- probably a pub/cafe. Suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
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Re: [python-uk] Burning desire to watch cataract surgery?

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Is it appropriate to roll your eyes at the roles for eyes?

S

On 13/10/17 17:42, David Steven-Jennings wrote:
*rolls eyes* :p

On 13 Oct 2017 5:37 pm, "Stestagg" 
mailto:stest...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think I’ll keep a close eye on this thread!
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 at 17:00, S Walker 
mailto:walke...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
These puns are delivered with surgical precision.


S


On 13/10/17 16:31, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:

Iris you could have given us more details...

(BTW, plenty more where that came from...)

:-)

N.

On 13/10/17 14:36, Hansel Dunlop wrote:


He's getting to the heart of the matter

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Richard Barran
mailto:rich...@arbee-design.co.uk> 
<mailto:rich...@arbee-design.co.uk><mailto:rich...@arbee-design.co.uk>> wrote:

I see what you did there...



On 13 Oct 2017, at 15:21, Adam Johnson mailto:m...@adamj.eu>
<mailto:m...@adamj.eu><mailto:m...@adamj.eu>> wrote:

Sounds cutting edge!

On 13 October 2017 at 14:05, Hansel Dunlop
mailto:han...@interpretthis.org> 
<mailto:han...@interpretthis.org><mailto:han...@interpretthis.org>> wrote:

Probably not, in fact I probably don't want to watch another
one in my life if I can help it. BUT:

For those who know me, and for those that don't. The company
I'm working for (It's called Touch Surgery, and I look after
the platform team) is growing quickly at the moment. There are
a broad range of technical roles. I'm particularly keen to
find some Python devs who have worked on large Django projects
but anyone senior looking for something exciting would be of
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Re: [python-uk] Burning desire to watch cataract surgery?

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These puns are delivered with surgical precision.

S

On 13/10/17 16:31, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:

Iris you could have given us more details...

(BTW, plenty more where that came from...)

:-)

N.

On 13/10/17 14:36, Hansel Dunlop wrote:


He's getting to the heart of the matter

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Richard Barran
mailto:rich...@arbee-design.co.uk> 
> wrote:

I see what you did there...



On 13 Oct 2017, at 15:21, Adam Johnson mailto:m...@adamj.eu>
> wrote:

Sounds cutting edge!

On 13 October 2017 at 14:05, Hansel Dunlop
mailto:han...@interpretthis.org> 
> wrote:

Probably not, in fact I probably don't want to watch another
one in my life if I can help it. BUT:

For those who know me, and for those that don't. The company
I'm working for (It's called Touch Surgery, and I look after
the platform team) is growing quickly at the moment. There are
a broad range of technical roles. I'm particularly keen to
find some Python devs who have worked on large Django projects
but anyone senior looking for something exciting would be of
great interest.





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[python-uk] (London) Looking for venues for Python Projects Night

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Good morning,
It's been a while since the last Projects Night, but I'd like to get
them going again. Unfortunately, I'm a little short of venues at the moment.

In case you don't know what it is, the projects night is intended to be
a monthly event where you can go to hack on that project you've been
meaning to hack on (and really will get started on soon, honest), in a
friendly group. This can also be an opportunity to share problems and
maybe find solutions that you might not have found hacking on it in a
sleep deprived state at home.
The meetup group is here:
https://www.meetup.com/London-Python-Project-Nights/

So, if anyone knows a place where (usually) 10 - 20 developers could
hang out and code then I'd love to hear from you.
This can be a workplace (food does not need to be provided) or a
pub/cafe/similar (since we normally order pizza in anyway, having food
available might help).
I'm intending this to be once a month on a Thursday (likely the third
Thursday in the month) night from about 18:30 until ~21:00, but can be
somewhat flexible on times.
There's usually a bit of discussion so anywhere with
library-reading-room standards of quietness will probably not be a great
fit, but we shouldn't be as loud as a band rehearsal.

I'm intending that this starts up again in the new year (January).

As I say, if anyone can suggest/offer venues I'd be most grateful.

Thanks,
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Re: [python-uk] London Dojo next Thursday

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On 02/10/17 01:31, Mark Lawrence via python-uk wrote:
> On 01/10/2017 23:24, Tom Viner wrote:
>> Darn, I hadn't seen the possible tube strike.
>>
>> Let's keep an eye on the situation. I'll update this list and email
>> direct to ticket holders if we have to postpone.
>>
>
> Any excuse, what's wrong with the bicycle :)
>
My bicycle has an existential issue (namely: It doesn't exist and I'm
well outside the Kencycle (AKA Boris Bike) region).

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Re: [python-uk] Reviewing third-party packages

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Exactly my point, yes- especially if one were to make a framework designed to 
easily analyse such things (when it becomes much easier for the malware because 
it for instance could just check whether the framework is in the current env 
(as a super-trivial example- but any framework that is easy to run is likely to 
be easy to adapt to for this sort of code).

It'd certainly be feasible to check for outgoing calls though, at least for 
relatively simple cases (on-import, when calling with particular args), but I 
think the licensing, etc issues are probably easier to solve-ish and maintain, 
so probably a better starting point. This is just a gut feeling though- I've 
done this stuff manually in the past when I've needed to.

Thanks,
S

On 27/07/17 14:41, Mike Eriksson wrote:


On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 2:39 PM Andy Robinson 
mailto:a...@reportlab.com>> wrote:
On 27 July 2017 at 15:33, S Walker 
mailto:walke...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
> I suspect malicious phone-home (and other deliberately malicious security)
> stuff would be very difficult to automatically test for

Presumably you want to spy on outbound network activity from your test
machine, rather than analysing code?


That is if they haven't written their code so it is aware of the 
characteristics of 'malware analytics environments'. Basically it's dormant if 
it thinks it is being observed. Something which is very common these days. At 
least at the cutting edge of such things.

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Re: [python-uk] Reviewing third-party packages

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I suspect malicious phone-home (and other deliberately malicious security) 
stuff would be very difficult to automatically test for, as you're then in a 
Volkswagen situation and you'll be entering into an arms race with anyone who 
is taking such malicious actions.

For other aspects, I'm afraid I don't know of anything beyond manual checking. 
This could be something interesting to suggest for a PyconUK sprint though, 
unless anyone finds anything useful before then? I'm not sure how easy 
automated tool checks would be for it, but at least a list of things to analyse 
for python packages would be nice.

Thanks,
S

On 27/07/17 01:16, Michael Grazebrook wrote:
It's a question which interests me too. If you find some good resources, could 
you post them to this group?

Do you know how much checking is done on the Active State and Anaconda 
distributions?

On 27 July 2017 at 00:17:33 +01:00, 
p...@getaroundtoit.co.uk wrote:
Are you able to recommend materials which deal with the *management 
precautions* one should take in reviewing a third-party package before 
use/inclusion in a wider system, please?


There are plenty of resources available which deal with the coding-technical 
side of things, eg dir(), help(), PSL's inspect.py, etc.

This enquiry encompasses those, but am particularly interested in security: 
back-doors, phoning-home, and other 'nasties'; license management; any costs; 
citation; etc.


Will welcome references to articles, tutorials, check-lists, etc...

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[python-uk] London projects night, Wednesday 19th April

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Good morning all,
Anyone interested in coming and hacking on that
project-that-you-are-going-to-start-soon-maybe-even-tomorrow, the next
projects night is on Wednesday 19th April in London. Come along and join in!

https://www.meetup.com/London-Python-Project-Nights/events/238879566/

Thanks,
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Re: [python-uk] Python Platform Developer - Counter Terrorism

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I'm just wondering what happens if two people with the (BOGUS AGREEMENTS) 
disclaimer mail each other. This inspires ideas for future dojo silliness.

S

On 20/02/17 09:10, Harry Percival wrote:

Nice! Nicked off Cory Doctorow i think?

On Sun, 19 Feb 2017, 19:59 Jonathan Hartley, 
<tart...@tartley.com> 
wrote:
On 15/02/17 14:57, Visgean Skeloru wrote:

This is a very strange disclaimer for an email send to public mailing list.

DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential (and 
may contain privileged information) to the ordinary user of the e-mail address 
to which it was addressed and must not be copied, disclosed or distributed 
without the prior authorisation of the sender.

On 14/02/17 17:11, John Thistlethwaite wrote:
DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential (and 
may contain privileged information) to the ordinary user of the e-mail address 
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Seems to be safely negated by my own disclaimer.


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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

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I've read comments on here supporting there being job postings as they
are of use to the community (I think all of us like being able to afford
to eat, right?), and I'd tend to agree with that.

Maybe a better idea would be to put guidelines for job posting (e.g. not
more than x frequency, containing at least y details).

Frankly if we didn't have people complaining about the job postings each
time they were made they'd be responsible for a negligible amount of
list traffic.

Thanks,
S

On 08/12/16 14:06, Stestagg wrote:
> I agree with John
> 
> While recruitment emails don't bother me directly, the debates around
> allowing them are getting quite repetitive.
> 
> My vote goes on a no job adverts policy. It's not clear to me that
> enforcement will be difficult. Do we really think that the pyuk
> recruiters will not honour this?
> 
> As a side note, it would be great if http://pythonjobs.github.io/ gained
> some more maintainers and became the go-to place for job postings.
> 
> Steve
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 at 13:30, James Broadhead  > wrote:
> 
> On 7 December 2016 at 21:14, John Lee  > wrote:
> 
> Having been on this list since 2004 I *think* I'm right in
> saying that there have never been sharp words on any subject
> EXCEPT recruiters.
> 
> So though I've defended recruiters here before, and posted job
> ads myself, I think we should consider the possibility that all
> that's needed is to not allow job ads (or not allow recruiters
> if you like -- but I think simplicity is a virtue here).  Then
> rogue job ads can be responded to on that strictly technical
> basis, and there will be fewer ads to cause strife in the first
> place.
> 
> 
> Seconded. This issue seems to be the largest source of disharmony by
> a wide margin, and I'd be in favour of writing up a specific rule,
> as there seem to be many different interpretations of the status quo.  
> 
> General options: 
> 1./ No recruitment messages of any kind 
> 2./ Only developers may post recruitment messages (they must have
> some association with the position)
> 3./ Any recruitment messages are allowed
> 
> Personally, I'd be in favour of #2 - it allows the community to
> promote positions internally, but avoids recruiter-mails which seem
> to trigger so much ire.
> 
> As Steve pointed out, enforcement would be the next problem -- I've
> seen this over and over on forums. Perhaps a large-ish number of
> list mods (10 or so), and discourage enforcement-en-mass? 
> 
> 
> Finally, we need to advertise the CoC & any new rules clearly to new
> subscribers and/or first-time posters. 
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

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Sorry, this year has been all too evil for me.

2016: Disowned by Sith.

S

On 07/12/16 17:03, Andy Robinson wrote:
> On 7 December 2016 at 16:14, S Walker  wrote:
>> Darth SW
> 
> Hey, Darth, fancy being our Brexit negotiator?  Or military liaison to
> the US of A?
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

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> 
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Cory Benfield (Lukasa)
> mailto:lukas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> and as we know, only Sith deal in absolutes
> 
> 
> Are you absolutely sure about that?

I am.

Yours,
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[python-uk] Build Something- London Python Project Nights

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(cross posted from the build something mailing list in case anyone here
is interested)

Good morning,
The next Build Something will be next Wednesday- sorry for the late
notice, just giving people a little time to recover from PyconUK!

RSVP at:
https://www.meetup.com/London-Python-Project-Nights/events/234327502/

It's the SW1 Broadway, not the East London (or any other) one.

With many thanks to BMLL Technologies Ltd, and Steve Holden, for
agreeing to provide a place for us to meet.

As a side note, Steve has said that he'll have a bunch of hardware (of
the burning-your-fingers-with-solder variety) there for anyone
interested in playing with that. If you're not sure how to get started
or worried that all you'll be able to produce is magic smoke, he has
also quite graciously said that he is willing to provide an introduction.

So, if you want to get a quick introduction to some electronics, or work
on an existing (or new) project, please come along!

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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

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And once again the amount of posts in a discussion about whether or not there 
are too many job postings significantly exceeds the amount of job postings!

S

On 02/09/16 11:44, Stephen Thorne wrote:
I've not only accidentally done this, but ended up working for that employer 
for 5 years! (not this list)

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 09:49 Tom Viner 
<t...@viner.tv> wrote:
Potential candidates as well as recruiters are reminded that hitting reply will 
result in a mail aimed back to the list.

You must then manually edit the To: field.

Furthermore: Outlook's "recall this message" will not work, rather it will send 
a further email to the list, each and every time you click it. Although perhaps 
third time's a 
charm?

You have been warned!


On 2 September 2016 at 07:09, Nicholas H.Tollervey 
<nt...@ntoll.org> wrote:
On 01/09/16 22:49, Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> What's the current state of play with job ads and this list?
>
> Last I knew, they weren't allowed. Seems to be the majority of list
> content now...
>
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As people have mentioned, the consensus that I've seen is that posting a
job ad is fine so long as it's not recruiter spam.

Of course, recruiters advertising for a specific job with an appropriate
level of detail about the job in question (location, salary, expectation
of role, desired skills and experience, information about what the
company does) is also fine.

What is recruiter spam? How about, "exciting opportunity for Python
ninja in green-field project at one of London's most exciting employers"
is, IMHO, NOT welcome. It's just meaningless noise and probably
recruitment phishing.

Hope this helps,

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[python-uk] London Python dojo, January: Team 4 game of life

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Slightly delayed, but both the one we (Team 4) built during the session, and 
one I hacked together using pygame over the last couple of weekends are 
included (in $base/dojo and $base/new respectively). Said hacked together 
approach was inspired by one (or more?) of the other teams who used sets, etc.

https://bitbucket.org/maddagaska/pygol/overview

I think there was a link up to post the code to, but I've since lost it, so 
uploaded it here.

S
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