Re: [python-win32] P3K?
+1 for APL integration! ;o) Numpy is nice, but can't touch APL... ...of course, it wasn't a challenge to write an obfuscated one-liner in APL - it was standard practice! Gerrat Rickert -Original Message- From: bob gailer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:40 PM Cc: python-win32@python.org Subject: Re: [python-win32] P3K? IBM 650 anyone? Punched card i/o. 2000 word drum memory ( each word = 10 decimal digits). First language: machine language. Then assembler and a precursor of Basic called Classmate. PL/I Then the first breath of fresh air: APL. A lot like Python in that it made programming a LOT easier. On and on ... Now Python. Still longing for a way to integrate some aspects of APL into Python. -- Bob Gailer 919-636-4239 Chapel Hill, NC ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
> -Original Message- ] On Behalf Of Dahlstrom, Roger > Sent: 23 June 2008 11:55 > Cc: python-win32@python.org > Subject: Re: [python-win32] P3K? > > Well *I* used to line up rocks in to ones and zeros. Then I > had a toucan that would interpret them, and chisel the gui on > to a stone tablet. I still remember how upset everyone was > when we introduced papyrus. *I* worked on the first OS for the amoeba. [little known fact: the original had teeth] ___ This email is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may be privileged and confidential. Unauthorised use or disclosure is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please advise immediately and delete the original message without copying, using, or telling anyone about its contents. This message may have been altered without your or our knowledge and the sender does not accept any liability for any errors or omissions in the message. This message does not create or change any contract. Royal Bank of Canada and its subsidiaries accept no responsibility for damage caused by any viruses contained in this email or its attachments. Emails may be monitored. RBC Capital Markets is a business name used by branches and subsidiaries of Royal Bank of Canada, including Royal Bank of Canada, London branch and Royal Bank of Canada Europe Limited. In accordance with English law requirements, details regarding Royal Bank of Canada Europe Limited are set out below: ROYAL BANK OF CANADA EUROPE LIMITED Registered in England and Wales 995939 Registered Address: 71 Queen Victoria Street, London, EC4V 4DE. Authorised and regulated by the Financial Service Authority. Member of the London Stock Exchange ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
And of course REAL programmers use butterflies. http://xkcd.com/378/ On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Dahlstrom, Roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well *I* used to line up rocks in to ones and zeros. Then I had a toucan > that would interpret them, and chisel the gui on to a stone tablet. I still > remember > how upset everyone was when we introduced papyrus. > ___ > python-win32 mailing list > python-win32@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 > ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
Well *I* used to line up rocks in to ones and zeros. Then I had a toucan that would interpret them, and chisel the gui on to a stone tablet. I still remember how upset everyone was when we introduced papyrus. ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
IBM 650 anyone? Punched card i/o. 2000 word drum memory ( each word = 10 decimal digits). First language: machine language. Then assembler and a precursor of Basic called Classmate. PL/I Then the first breath of fresh air: APL. A lot like Python in that it made programming a LOT easier. On and on ... Now Python. Still longing for a way to integrate some aspects of APL into Python. -- Bob Gailer 919-636-4239 Chapel Hill, NC ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
Hi! For the information of you children "children" me? Thank you ! :o)) I had started, also, with FORTRAN. On a ICL, with perforated cards. Then: GAP, XTran, APL, Basic (on Alcyane, very before MS, Apple & Cie). Then: Texas-instrument, PET (Commodore), TRS-80 (Tandy), Sirius (& Victor), IBM, T1100 (Toshiba, the fisrt true laptop), etc. etc. But, it was at the previous millenium. The future is P3K. @-salutations -- Michel Claveau ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
> > > > older releases of pywin are kept on sourceforge for ... >> > > ...(older) users of older python version. > > or: "(older) users of older python version will use older releases of > pywin" > > > @-salutations > -- > Michel Claveau > > * OLDER * ! Humph! For the information of you children, I learned to program in FORTRAN II. My first hands-on computer was a PDP-8 with 4096 12-bit words of core memory. It took 15 minutes to boot EDUBASIC into that 4K, since it carried only a 110 baud punched paper tape reader (on a real Teletype brand TTY) for storage media. If you ever wondered why BASIC was such a stupid language look what it ran on. Still, it was wonderful to have 5 1/2 digits of floating point in those days before the scientific pocket calculator was invented. A great deal of homework was done with interactive mode console operation, using something like: LET R = 1.234E-5 PRINT 3.14159 * R * R (Thanks, Guido, for putting that handy capability into python. I've missed it over the years.) But I digress... Just know that it was a _really_ancient_ geek who said "onward." -- Vernon Cole (older), and proud of it. ... Whew! Okay, I'm done now. Pretend I never said any of that. Back to work. ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
Hi! You (& MH) already proved your know-how. IMO, the best way is: made as you want... @-salutations Michel Claveau ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] P3K?
Vernon Cole wrote: I vote FOR dropping 2.3 and earlier support and moving to 2.6 / 3.0 syntax as soon as possible. My reasons for this are selfish... adodbapi is already restricted to 2.3 and later, since it uses decimal numbers to return SQL data from some numeric columns. ;-) Archives of older releases of pywin are kept on sourceforge for those precious few who are locked into an older python version. Onward and upward, I say! Building for Python 3 is going to take a lot of work. There are many incompatible changes to the C api (and I'm not even sure they're guaranteed not to change again before the next release). The basic layout of python objects has been revised, which will make it very difficult to continue to build from the same sources, as can be done now for 2.2-2.6. Also, the buffer interface has changed drastically, and Pywin32 makes extensive use of buffers. As things stand right now, upward is a steep climb. Dropping 2.3 doesn't really gain us much while we're still supporting 2.5, which is still the most recent stable release. Python 2.6 may be useful for transitioning the python code toward 3.0, but it doesn't help with the C++ sources. Roger ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
Hi! I vote FOR dropping 2.3 and earlier support and moving to 2.6 / 3.0 syntax as soon as possible. +1 older releases of pywin are kept on sourceforge for ... ...(older) users of older python version. or: "(older) users of older python version will use older releases of pywin" @-salutations -- Michel Claveau ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
I vote FOR dropping 2.3 and earlier support and moving to 2.6 / 3.0 syntax as soon as possible. My reasons for this are selfish... adodbapi is already restricted to 2.3 and later, since it uses decimal numbers to return SQL data from some numeric columns. ;-) Archives of older releases of pywin are kept on sourceforge for those precious few who are locked into an older python version. Onward and upward, I say! ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] P3K?
> P3K (aka Python-3000, or Python 3) release 3.0b1 is coming. > Is Pywin32 on P3K planned for soon? AFAIK, Roger has looked into this a little, and some of his efforts towards making the win32 modules natively Unicode are an effort towards this - but I'm not aware of any serious work on this as yet. There will obviously be 2 sides to this - the .py code and the .cpp code - running the .py code through 2to3 might be an interesting exercise, and expose 10 year old code screaming for a cleanup which can be done independently. This might mean we might need to get a little more brutal about which Python versions we support moving forward - eg, is 2.3 and earlier support still necessary if it costs pain for this transition? But in case you can't tell, I personally haven't looked at this at all ;) Cheers, Mark ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] P3K?
Hi! P3K (aka Python-3000, or Python 3) release 3.0b1 is coming. Is Pywin32 on P3K planned for soon? Thank you, by advance Michel Claveau ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
