[Pythonmac-SIG] python 2.7 Tkinter using Tk 8.6

2010-05-21 Thread Stephen M. Gava 

Hi there,
I've installed the python.org package of python 2.7b2 for osx snow leopard.

It's Tkinter appears to be built against Tk 8.4, but I want to use 
Tkinter with my installed framework build of Tk 8.6 (for native Tk .png 
support among other things).


So, I assume I need to build my own osx packages of 2.7 linking against 
Tk 8.6 to achieve this?


Thanks,
Stephen
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[Pythonmac-SIG] Subject:, Could py2app bundle all the requirements of my package?

2010-05-21 Thread Brendan Simon (eTRIX) 
I think the short answer is yes.
I've had no trouble with py2app getting all my dependencies.
You have a bigger app so it may need some extra tweaking, but py2app has
lots of commands to include and exclude stuff.  It is similar to py2exe
from what I can tell.

Cheers, Brendan.

> Subject:
> [Pythonmac-SIG] Could py2app bundle all the requirements of my package?
> From:
> cool-RR 
> Date:
> Fri, 21 May 2010 00:26:30 +0200
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> To:
> pythonmac-sig 
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>
> Hello!
>
> I'm developing a desktop application called GarlicSim:
>
> http://garlicsim.org
>
> I want to distribute it natively to all OSes.
>
> On Windows I have already succeeded packaging it with py2exe and
> InnoSetup.
>
> I have not touched py2app yet. Do you think that py2app could bundle
> all the packages I want?
>
> I want to bundle the entire Python standard library. (My program is a
> sort of a science lab, and a very important part of it is a Python
> shell that I provide, and I want my users to be able to use all of
> Python.)
> I want to bundle wxPython and cairo. (I'm especially worried about
> cairo.) My app is wxPython-based and I want to use cairo for drawing
> widgets.
> I want to bundle a big selection of scientific modules. Scipy, numpy,
> Traits, Mayavi (With VTK, which is especially hard to install.) Pretty
> much most of the things that Enthought provides.
>
> Note that with py2exe I've been able to do all of the above, (except I
> haven't finished bundling all the scientific libraries, just most of
> them.)
>
> (And no, I don't mind my app weighing 1GB.)
>
> Will py2app be able to bundle all these things and how much hair will
> I have left on my head after I get it working?
>
> (Please `cc` any replies to me.)
>
> Thanks for your help,
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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] python 2.7 Tkinter using Tk 8.6

2010-05-21 Thread Kevin Walzer 

On 5/21/10 1:16 AM, Stephen M. Gava wrote:

Hi there,
I've installed the python.org package of python 2.7b2 for osx snow leopard.

It's Tkinter appears to be built against Tk 8.4, but I want to use
Tkinter with my installed framework build of Tk 8.6 (for native Tk .png
support among other things).

So, I assume I need to build my own osx packages of 2.7 linking against
Tk 8.6 to achieve this?

Thanks,
Stephen


Yes, most likely. I believe the binary installers from Python.org still 
link against 8.4 by default--anything else requires you to build your own.


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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [pythonmac-sig] python 2.7 tkinter using tk 8.6

2010-05-21 Thread ronaldoussoren 
On May 21, 2010, at 02:24 PM, Kevin Walzer  wrote:On 5/21/10 1:16 AM, Stephen M. Gava wrote:
> Hi there,
> I've installed the python.org package of python 2.7b2 for osx snow leopard.
>
> It's Tkinter appears to be built against Tk 84, but I want to use
> Tkinter with my installed framework build of Tk 8.6 (for native Tk .png
> support among other things).
>
> So, I assume I need to build my own osx packages of 2.7 linking against
> Tk 8.6 to achieve this?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen

Yes, most likely. I believe the binary installers from Python.org still 
link against 8.4 by default--anything else requires you to build your own.The binary installers link to 8.4, and that won't change until all supported versions of OSX ship with a newer version of Tk.I'm willing to ship a version of tkinter that links with 8.5, but only if someone provides a patch that enables linking to both 8.4 and 8.5 (in two different builds of _tkinter) and automaticly selects the right version to use.What I'm thinking of is:have _tkinterpy that does:try:   from _tkinter85 import *except ImportError:   from _tkinter84 import *Then patch setup.py to build _tkinter84.so and _tkinter85.so from _tkinter.c while linking to the right version of Tk. This should only be done when a special configure argument is present, if it isn't setup.py should default to building _tkinter.so like it currently does. Ronald 

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [pythonmac-sig] python 2.7 tkinter using tk 8.6

2010-05-21 Thread Michael Foord 
On 21 May 2010 16:21, ronaldoussoren  wrote:

>
>
> On May 21, 2010, at 02:24 PM, Kevin Walzer  wrote:
>
> On 5/21/10 1:16 AM, Stephen M. Gava wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > I've installed the python.org package of python 2.7b2 for osx snow
> leopard.
> >
> > It's Tkinter appears to be built against Tk 84, but I want to use
> > Tkinter with my installed framework build of Tk 8.6 (for native Tk .png
> > support among other things).
> >
> > So, I assume I need to build my own osx packages of 2.7 linking against
> > Tk 8.6 to achieve this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Stephen
>
> Yes, most likely. I believe the binary installers from Python.org still
> link against 8.4 by default--anything else requires you to build your own.
>
>
> The binary installers link to 8.4, and that won't change until all
> supported versions of OSX ship with a newer version of Tk.
>
> I'm willing to ship a version of tkinter that links with 8.5, but only if
> someone provides a patch that enables linking to both 8.4 and 8.5 (in two
> different builds of _tkinter) and automaticly selects the right version to
> use.
>
> What I'm thinking of is:
>
> have _tkinterpy that does:
>
> try:
>from _tkinter85 import *
> except ImportError:
>from _tkinter84 import *
>
> Then patch setup.py to build _tkinter84.so and _tkinter85.so from
> _tkinter.c while linking to the right version of Tk. This should only be
> done when a special configure argument is present, if it isn't setup.py
> should default to building _tkinter.so like it currently does.
>


That sounds great!

Michael



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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [pythonmac-sig] python 2.7 tkinter using tk 8.6

2010-05-21 Thread Ronald Oussoren 

On 21 May, 2010, at 17:31, Michael Foord wrote:

> 
> 
> On 21 May 2010 16:21, ronaldoussoren  wrote:
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2010, at 02:24 PM, Kevin Walzer  wrote:
> 
>> On 5/21/10 1:16 AM, Stephen M. Gava wrote:
>> > Hi there,
>> > I've installed the python.org package of python 2.7b2 for osx snow leopard.
>> >
>> > It's Tkinter appears to be built against Tk 84, but I want to use
>> > Tkinter with my installed framework build of Tk 8.6 (for native Tk .png
>> > support among other things).
>> >
>> > So, I assume I need to build my own osx packages of 2.7 linking against
>> > Tk 8.6 to achieve this?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Stephen
>> 
>> Yes, most likely. I believe the binary installers from Python.org still 
>> link against 8.4 by default--anything else requires you to build your own.
> 
> The binary installers link to 8.4, and that won't change until all supported 
> versions of OSX ship with a newer version of Tk.
> 
> I'm willing to ship a version of tkinter that links with 8.5, but only if 
> someone provides a patch that enables linking to both 8.4 and 8.5 (in two 
> different builds of _tkinter) and automaticly selects the right version to 
> use.
> 
> What I'm thinking of is:
> 
> have _tkinterpy that does:
> 
> try:
>from _tkinter85 import *
> except ImportError:
>from _tkinter84 import *
> 
> Then patch setup.py to build _tkinter84.so and _tkinter85.so from _tkinter.c 
> while linking to the right version of Tk. This should only be done when a 
> special configure argument is present, if it isn't setup.py should default to 
> building _tkinter.so like it currently does. 
> 
> 
> That sounds great!

Cool. When can I expect a patch ;-)

Ronald



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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [pythonmac-sig] python 2.7 tkinter using tk 8.6

2010-05-21 Thread Michael Foord 

On 21/05/2010 17:28, Ronald Oussoren wrote:


On 21 May, 2010, at 17:31, Michael Foord wrote:




On 21 May 2010 16:21, ronaldoussoren > wrote:




On May 21, 2010, at 02:24 PM, Kevin Walzer  wrote:


On 5/21/10 1:16 AM, Stephen M. Gava wrote:
> Hi there,
> I've installed the python.org  package of
python 2.7b2 for osx snow leopard.
>
> It's Tkinter appears to be built against Tk 84, but I want to use
> Tkinter with my installed framework build of Tk 8.6 (for
native Tk .png
> support among other things).
>
> So, I assume I need to build my own osx packages of 2.7
linking against
> Tk 8.6 to achieve this?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen

Yes, most likely. I believe the binary installers from
Python.org  still
link against 8.4 by default--anything else requires you to build
your own.


The binary installers link to 8.4, and that won't change until
all supported versions of OSX ship with a newer version of Tk.

I'm willing to ship a version of tkinter that links with 8.5, but
only if someone provides a patch that enables linking to both 8.4
and 8.5 (in two different builds of _tkinter) and automaticly
selects the right version to use.

What I'm thinking of is:

have _tkinterpy that does:

try:
   from _tkinter85 import *
except ImportError:
   from _tkinter84 import *

Then patch setup.py to build _tkinter84.so and _tkinter85.so from
_tkinter.c while linking to the right version of Tk. This should
only be done when a special configure argument is present, if it
isn't setup.py should default to building _tkinter.so like it
currently does.



That sounds great!


Cool. When can I expect a patch ;-)

Judging by the progress of my current good intentions for learning to 
contribute to the C parts of CPython it will only be a few years now... :-(


Michael


Ronald




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