[Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: distutils and stdarg.h

2012-02-09 Thread Chris Barker
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From: Chris Barker 
Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] distutils and stdarg.h
To: Ronald Oussoren 


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Ronald Oussoren  wrote:
>> against the python.org 32 bit Intel/PPC build of python 2.7
>>
>> I'm getting a bunch of errors like:
>>
>> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/usr/include/stdarg.h:4:25: error:
>> stdarg.h: No such file or directory
>>
>> That file does exist, but it uses:
>>
>> #include_next 

> What compiler version do you use?

It's using g++ 4.2.1

> One thing you could try is to drop support for ppc, for example by adding 
> ["-arch", "i386"] to extra_compiler_args in the definition of the Extension 
> in setup.py.

I'll give that try, but ...

>  Recent Xcode releases do not include a compiler that supports the powerpc 
> architecture.

I've made a point of not upgrading XCode for that reason -- and I'm
not having trouble compiling PPC versions other extensions.

I'm pretty sure I've done both C and C++ ones, too.

I'm thinking that some of the standard stuff that distutils adds has
been overridden by this build -- it's a big, complicated setup, using
numpy, distutils, etc. I'm having trouble following it all (or
simplifying it -- I don't need the whole package anyway). Entought is
no longer testing on this distribution of Python, nor PPC at all, I
believe, so they could have inadvertently broken it easily enough.

thanks,
  -Chris



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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: distutils and stdarg.h

2012-02-09 Thread Russell E. Owen
In article 
,
 Chris Barker  wrote:

> darn, forgot to send to the list again -- I hate these defaults!
> 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Chris Barker 
> Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] distutils and stdarg.h
> To: Ronald Oussoren 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Ronald Oussoren  
> wrote:
> >> against the python.org 32 bit Intel/PPC build of python 2.7
> >>
> >> I'm getting a bunch of errors like:
> >>
> >> /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/usr/include/stdarg.h:4:25: error:
> >> stdarg.h: No such file or directory
> >>
> >> That file does exist, but it uses:
> >>
> >> #include_next 
> 
> > What compiler version do you use?
> 
> It's using g++ 4.2.1

I suggest you try one of these things:
- Use gcc 4.0.1 to build extensions for 32-bit python.org python. That's 
what I'm still doing. It requires XCode 3.x.

- Use gcc 4.2.1 to build extensions for 64-bit python.org python. Two 
issues:
   - you give up compatibility with MacOS X 10.5.
   - The result will not work with ActiveState's Tcl/Tk. Not a problem 
for you, but both of these are unacceptable for my code.

- Use gcc 4.2.1 and ActiveState's 64-bit python 2.7. That supposedly 
gives you compatibility with MacOS X 10.5 and it surely works with 
ActiveState's Tcl/Tk. But you may need a license to distribute the 
results (likely free in your case). This is the way I'm leaning, and I 
even got a license, but I'm reluctant to give up on python.or python.

-- Russell

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: distutils and stdarg.h

2012-02-09 Thread Chris Barker
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Russell E. Owen  wrote:

> I suggest you try one of these things:
> - Use gcc 4.0.1 to build extensions for 32-bit python.org python. That's
> what I'm still doing. It requires XCode 3.x.

Thanks -- I"ll try that. but:

1) I thought distutils took care of calling the "right" compliler to
match what pyotn had been built with. I guess not.

2) how do I use 4.01. with distutils?

Thanks,
   -Chris

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: distutils and stdarg.h

2012-02-09 Thread Ned Deily
In article ,
 "Russell E. Owen"  wrote:
> I suggest you try one of these things:
> - Use gcc 4.0.1 to build extensions for 32-bit python.org python. That's 
> what I'm still doing. It requires XCode 3.x.

Yes.

> - Use gcc 4.2.1 to build extensions for 64-bit python.org python. Two 
> issues:
>- you give up compatibility with MacOS X 10.5.
>- The result will not work with ActiveState's Tcl/Tk. Not a problem 
> for you, but both of these are unacceptable for my code.

I don't understand what you mean by this.  The python.org 64-/32-bit 
installers have a deployment target of 10.6 so will only work on 10.6 
and 10.7 but they should work just fine with ActiveState's Tcl/Tk 8.5.x 
on 10.6 and 10.7, just not on 10.5.  In fact, the installers are built 
and tested on systems with A/S Tcl/Tk 8.5.x and are their use is 
virtually required on 10.6 for any Tkinter applications due to the 
broken state of the Apple-supplied in Tcl/Tk 8.5.x in 10.6 (the 
Apple-supplied Tcl/Tk 8.5.x is better in 10.7 but still behind the A/S 
version wrt critical fixes.)

http://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: distutils and stdarg.h

2012-02-09 Thread Ned Deily
In article 
,
 Chris Barker  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Russell E. Owen  wrote:
> 
> > I suggest you try one of these things:
> > - Use gcc 4.0.1 to build extensions for 32-bit python.org python. That's
> > what I'm still doing. It requires XCode 3.x.
> 
> Thanks -- I"ll try that. but:
> 
> 1) I thought distutils took care of calling the "right" compliler to
> match what pyotn had been built with. I guess not.

Distutils *does* try to call the right CC compiler (that is, the 
compiler the Python itself was built with), unless the 
module/package/distribution's setup.py overrides it.  If it is using C++ 
code, though, you may have to override that yourself since Python itself 
does not contain any C++ code and I don't think there is any special 
code in Distutils to override C++ stuff.
 
> 2) how do I use 4.01. with distutils?

For the any C++ modules, you may need to override the C++ compiler 
choice by using a CXX environment variable.

What OS version are you trying this on, BTW?

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: distutils and stdarg.h

2012-02-09 Thread Chris Barker
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Ned Deily  wrote:
>> 1) I thought distutils took care of calling the "right" compliler to
>> match what pyotn had been built with. I guess not.
>
> Distutils *does* try to call the right CC compiler (that is, the
> compiler the Python itself was built with), unless the
> module/package/distribution's setup.py overrides it.

it's possible that that's what's happening -- as I said, this is an
ugly complicated mess.

>  If it is using C++
> code, though, you may have to override that yourself since Python itself
> does not contain any C++ code and I don't think there is any special
> code in Distutils to override C++ stuff.

That could be it, too.

>> 2) how do I use 4.01. with distutils?
>
> For the any C++ modules, you may need to override the C++ compiler
> choice by using a CXX environment variable.

OK -- I'll try that.

> What OS version are you trying this on, BTW?

10.6.8 Intel Corei7

I'll le tyou know how it works out when a get a chance.

Thanks for your ideas.

Any of you going to PyCon this year?

-Chris





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