Re: Web accessibility guidelines -- which ones?

2014-01-09 Thread Tyler Kavanaugh 

Hi Stuart,

Thanks for your much more extensive treatment of the subject. I had 
thought only S508 would be sufficient, but I now stand corrected.


-Tyler

On 1/9/2014 9:35 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Rob,  *,


... However,  there was a confusing (to me) number of
authorities for accessibility standards.


It is really pretty simple--WCAG 2.0 is the gold standard for Web content, and 
is applicable to Non-Web Information and Communications Technologies (ICT). 
National and International Standards bodies are basing conformance against this 
standard.

WCAG 2.0 A, AA, AAA ( also published as  ISO/IEC 40500:2012 )  are functional 
levels of conformance with accessibility standards.  
http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag

The reworked AOO Website should probably meet majority of WCAG v2.0 AA level 
requirements. And Apache OpenOffice as a document preparation and review program 
should also strive to meet WCAG level A & AA conformance criteria for ICT 
(http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/ ).

Fortunately much of that is accomplished for the website with valid HTML 5.0 
and WAI-ARIA markup.  While the introduction of IAccessible2 to supplement 
MSAA,  and improvements in ATK and NSAccessibility move the office suite proper 
into a better compliance with some notable shortcommings.

In the United States, the existing Accessibility Board US Section 508 requirements 
were loosely equivalent to WCAG v1, and are being rewritten to match functional 
levels of WCAG 2.0 A & AA.   The draft proposal for U.S. conformance can be 
found here:

http://www.access-board.gov/attachments/article/490/draft-rule.pdf

Also, relevant parts of the European Union EN 301 549 ( 
http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/01.00.00_20/en_301549v01c.pdf
 ) as work of the European Commision (EC) Mandate M 376 ( 
http://www.mandate376.eu/ ) are also based on WCAG v2.0 level A and AA.

So running conformance validators for WCAG 2.0 A, AA, & AAA is probably the 
correct choice in reworking the web site.

Stuart


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RE: Web accessibility guidelines -- which ones?

2014-01-09 Thread V Stuart Foote 
Rob,  *,

>... However,  there was a confusing (to me) number of
>authorities for accessibility standards.  

It is really pretty simple--WCAG 2.0 is the gold standard for Web content, and 
is applicable to Non-Web Information and Communications Technologies (ICT). 
National and International Standards bodies are basing conformance against this 
standard. 

WCAG 2.0 A, AA, AAA ( also published as  ISO/IEC 40500:2012 )  are functional 
levels of conformance with accessibility standards.  
http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag

The reworked AOO Website should probably meet majority of WCAG v2.0 AA level 
requirements. And Apache OpenOffice as a document preparation and review 
program should also strive to meet WCAG level A & AA conformance criteria for 
ICT (http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/ ).

Fortunately much of that is accomplished for the website with valid HTML 5.0 
and WAI-ARIA markup.  While the introduction of IAccessible2 to supplement 
MSAA,  and improvements in ATK and NSAccessibility move the office suite proper 
into a better compliance with some notable shortcommings.   

In the United States, the existing Accessibility Board US Section 508 
requirements were loosely equivalent to WCAG v1, and are being rewritten to 
match functional levels of WCAG 2.0 A & AA.   The draft proposal for U.S. 
conformance can be found here:

http://www.access-board.gov/attachments/article/490/draft-rule.pdf

Also, relevant parts of the European Union EN 301 549 ( 
http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/01.00.00_20/en_301549v01c.pdf
 ) as work of the European Commision (EC) Mandate M 376 ( 
http://www.mandate376.eu/ ) are also based on WCAG v2.0 level A and AA.

So running conformance validators for WCAG 2.0 A, AA, & AAA is probably the 
correct choice in reworking the web site.

Stuart


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Re: Discussion: Test Effort Estimation Techniques

2014-01-09 Thread Rob Weir 
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:51 PM, akriti  wrote:
> Thanks Rob and Edwin for response.
>
> It is general topic discussion and there is no significant relevance to
> open office work related to this topic.
>
>
>
>
> * It might be useful for volunteers if one wants to know how much effort
> he/she is spending (using any effort technique) while executing tests.

For any estimation work, where I need to estimate my own person work,
I use the techniques described here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_software_process

Essentially, define a metric for measuring the amount of work.  Then
find or create a tool to automate measurement.   Then time how long it
takes you do accomplish the tasks.  Over time you then develop a
baseline for quantity of work per unit time, your own personal
productivity value.

For example, with writing code the metric might be "non-comment lines
of code".  For testing it might be "test cases executed".  For
documentation it might be "number of words".  Almost any work where
the tasks come in countable or measurable small pieces can be
estimated using techniques like this.

Where this technique is especially valuable is when you then adjust
your personal process and measure whether your productivity increases
or decreases.   It becomes part of iterative process improvement.


Regards,

-Rob

> Thanks. *
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Edwin Sharp  wrote:
>> > Hello
>> > How is this relevant to us?
>> > From the Wikipedia page on test effort it is for cost estimation -
>> Apache OpenOffice is developed 100% by volunteers.
>>
>> It might still make sense, even in a volunteer-led non-profit context.
>>  It is not a "cost" in a commercial sense, but we still need to
>> coordinate things like translation due dates, estimated beta and
>> release dates, and so on.  We try to line up communications,
>> interviews with the press, etc., to coincide with milestone dates like
>> this.  So being able to estimate how long a test pass will take is
>> useful to predicting these dates.
>>
>> That said, I'm not sure we do anything very sophisticated here.   What
>> I've seen is mainly counting test cases and estimating how test
>> cases/hour a volunteer can execute on average.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > Edwin
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014, at 12:30, akriti wrote:
>> >> Hello All,
>> >>
>> >> Happy New Year to all..!!
>> >>
>> >> I am interested in learning and implementing Test Effort Estimation
>> >> techniques.
>> >> Can we discuss about the latest or greatest Effort Estimation techniques
>> >> here/
>> >>
>> >> It would be nice if OO QA members share their experience.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks & Regards,
>> >> Akriti Jaiswal
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Re: Discussion: Test Effort Estimation Techniques

2014-01-09 Thread akriti 
Thanks Rob and Edwin for response.

It is general topic discussion and there is no significant relevance to
open office work related to this topic.




* It might be useful for volunteers if one wants to know how much effort
he/she is spending (using any effort technique) while executing tests.
Thanks. *

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Edwin Sharp  wrote:
> > Hello
> > How is this relevant to us?
> > From the Wikipedia page on test effort it is for cost estimation -
> Apache OpenOffice is developed 100% by volunteers.
>
> It might still make sense, even in a volunteer-led non-profit context.
>  It is not a "cost" in a commercial sense, but we still need to
> coordinate things like translation due dates, estimated beta and
> release dates, and so on.  We try to line up communications,
> interviews with the press, etc., to coincide with milestone dates like
> this.  So being able to estimate how long a test pass will take is
> useful to predicting these dates.
>
> That said, I'm not sure we do anything very sophisticated here.   What
> I've seen is mainly counting test cases and estimating how test
> cases/hour a volunteer can execute on average.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Edwin
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014, at 12:30, akriti wrote:
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> Happy New Year to all..!!
> >>
> >> I am interested in learning and implementing Test Effort Estimation
> >> techniques.
> >> Can we discuss about the latest or greatest Effort Estimation techniques
> >> here/
> >>
> >> It would be nice if OO QA members share their experience.
> >>
> >> Thanks & Regards,
> >> Akriti Jaiswal
> >
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Re: Web accessibility guidelines -- which ones?

2014-01-09 Thread Tyler Kavanaugh 



On 1/9/2014 7:38 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

I've started taking a look at our website from the perspective of
accessibility.
I appreciate this, Rob. Great start, now that the product is 
implementing more accessibility interfaces and tools.

 Since the website is mainly human-authored HTML, with
many authors over several years, we'll need to check individual pages
for problems.  I was going to focus on the top 50 or so pages, which
account for the vast majority of website visits.

I found a number of scanning tools, both web-based and standalone,
that looked good.  However,  there was a confusing (to me) number of
authorities for accessibility standards.  For example, one tool (Total
Validator) offered to check against the following 6 guidelines:

US Section 508
WCAG v1 A
WCAG v1 AA
WCAG 2.0 A
WCAG 2.0 AA
WCAG 2.0 AAA

Does anyone have a good sense for which one is the most
useful/appropriate for our website?
Given that the website, to my knowledge, does not have much in the way 
of multimedia (Flash animations, etc) or dynamic content, US Section 508 
is going to be our best bet. The other tools that we use (MWiki and 
CWiki) already implement accessibility to at least these standards by 
default. TK.


Regards,

-Rob

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Web accessibility guidelines -- which ones?

2014-01-09 Thread Rob Weir 
I've started taking a look at our website from the perspective of
accessibility.  Since the website is mainly human-authored HTML, with
many authors over several years, we'll need to check individual pages
for problems.  I was going to focus on the top 50 or so pages, which
account for the vast majority of website visits.

I found a number of scanning tools, both web-based and standalone,
that looked good.  However,  there was a confusing (to me) number of
authorities for accessibility standards.  For example, one tool (Total
Validator) offered to check against the following 6 guidelines:

US Section 508
WCAG v1 A
WCAG v1 AA
WCAG 2.0 A
WCAG 2.0 AA
WCAG 2.0 AAA

Does anyone have a good sense for which one is the most
useful/appropriate for our website?

Regards,

-Rob

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Re: OO4.0.1: Colors

2014-01-09 Thread Edwin Sharp 
bug 124005

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014, at 13:47, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 1/9/14 12:12 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote:
> > Hallo Gerhard
> > Have you reported this in Bugzilla?
> > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
> > Edwin
> 
> it seems to be not Mac specific, was able to reproduce under Windows.
> 
> It's possible to add colors but changing is not not possible. Well it is
> changed in the dialog and everything looks fine but it is not saved when
> the dialog is closed with ok. Please submit an issue for this problem
> 
> Thanks
> Juergen
> 
> 
> 
> >  
> >  
> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014, at 13:08, Gerhard Ochsenfeld wrote:
> >> platform: MacOS X 10.9.1
> >> OpenOffice 4.0.1
> >>  
> >> via „preferences“ the „colors“ can’t be changed.
> >> If I try, the button to change remains like attachment shows. It is
> >> possible to klick „OK“ to leave the preferences; the change however is
> >> not fixed! The color plate remains in it’s former settings.
> >>  
> >> Gerhard Ochsenfeld
> >>  
> >> Unterer Eickeshagen 30
> >> 42555 Velbert-Langenberg
> >>  
> >> http://www.literatur-ochsenfeld.de
> >> gerh...@literatur-ochsenfeld.de 
> >> gerhard.ochsenf...@epost.de 
> >>  
> >>  
> >>  
> >>
> >> Email had 1 attachment:
> >>
> >>   * |14-01-08_Bug#Colors.jpg|
> >>   *   312k (image/jpg)
> 
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Re: OO4.0.1: Colors

2014-01-09 Thread Jürgen Schmidt 
On 1/9/14 12:12 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote:
> Hallo Gerhard
> Have you reported this in Bugzilla?
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
> Edwin

it seems to be not Mac specific, was able to reproduce under Windows.

It's possible to add colors but changing is not not possible. Well it is
changed in the dialog and everything looks fine but it is not saved when
the dialog is closed with ok. Please submit an issue for this problem

Thanks
Juergen



>  
>  
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014, at 13:08, Gerhard Ochsenfeld wrote:
>> platform: MacOS X 10.9.1
>> OpenOffice 4.0.1
>>  
>> via „preferences“ the „colors“ can’t be changed.
>> If I try, the button to change remains like attachment shows. It is
>> possible to klick „OK“ to leave the preferences; the change however is
>> not fixed! The color plate remains in it’s former settings.
>>  
>> Gerhard Ochsenfeld
>>  
>> Unterer Eickeshagen 30
>> 42555 Velbert-Langenberg
>>  
>> http://www.literatur-ochsenfeld.de
>> gerh...@literatur-ochsenfeld.de 
>> gerhard.ochsenf...@epost.de 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Email had 1 attachment:
>>
>>   * |14-01-08_Bug#Colors.jpg|
>>   *   312k (image/jpg)


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Re: Discussion: Test Effort Estimation Techniques

2014-01-09 Thread Rob Weir 
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Edwin Sharp  wrote:
> Hello
> How is this relevant to us?
> From the Wikipedia page on test effort it is for cost estimation - Apache 
> OpenOffice is developed 100% by volunteers.

It might still make sense, even in a volunteer-led non-profit context.
 It is not a "cost" in a commercial sense, but we still need to
coordinate things like translation due dates, estimated beta and
release dates, and so on.  We try to line up communications,
interviews with the press, etc., to coincide with milestone dates like
this.  So being able to estimate how long a test pass will take is
useful to predicting these dates.

That said, I'm not sure we do anything very sophisticated here.   What
I've seen is mainly counting test cases and estimating how test
cases/hour a volunteer can execute on average.

-Rob


> Edwin
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014, at 12:30, akriti wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Happy New Year to all..!!
>>
>> I am interested in learning and implementing Test Effort Estimation
>> techniques.
>> Can we discuss about the latest or greatest Effort Estimation techniques
>> here/
>>
>> It would be nice if OO QA members share their experience.
>>
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> Akriti Jaiswal
>
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Re: Discussion: Test Effort Estimation Techniques

2014-01-09 Thread Edwin Sharp 
Hello
How is this relevant to us?
>From the Wikipedia page on test effort it is for cost estimation - Apache 
>OpenOffice is developed 100% by volunteers.
Edwin

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014, at 12:30, akriti wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Happy New Year to all..!!
> 
> I am interested in learning and implementing Test Effort Estimation
> techniques.
> Can we discuss about the latest or greatest Effort Estimation techniques
> here/
> 
> It would be nice if OO QA members share their experience.
> 
> Thanks & Regards,
> Akriti Jaiswal

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Discussion: Test Effort Estimation Techniques

2014-01-09 Thread akriti 
Hello All,

Happy New Year to all..!!

I am interested in learning and implementing Test Effort Estimation
techniques.
Can we discuss about the latest or greatest Effort Estimation techniques
here/

It would be nice if OO QA members share their experience.

Thanks & Regards,
Akriti Jaiswal