Re: [RELEASE]: propose AOO 4.1.0 RC
Hi all First of all I would like to say that I'm *really* happy that update patches have arrived for the Windows OS. I was almost sure that I would never see this in a StarOffice derivative. Kudos to the AOO developers! I have installed scenario 2 (- Upgrade install 4.1.0 over an existing 4.0.1) with en_US and PT under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 en_US. Overall everything seems to be working perfectly but there is a small quirk: the Startup Group for 4.0.1 is not removed so you end up with two startup groups with different names pointing at the same folder. In addition the OpenOffice logo shows on the 4.0.1 group but not on the 4.1.0. I know these are small cosmetic problems but could be confusing for users. I can create a bugzilla report if necessary. Regards, Pedro On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Steve for your verification on installation of new package on en_US. From testing perspective: 1. The repackage changes nothing on functions, so previous and ongoing tests are still valid and there is no need for retesting. 2. But we need to retest the installation for below two typical scenarios on all language packages - Clean install 4.1.0 with no existing versions(e.g. 4.0.1) - Upgrade install 4.1.0 over an existing 4.0.1 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Steve Yin steve.yin@gmail.com wrote: No problem found. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Steve Yin steve.yin@gmail.com wrote: It's great to hear that. I am going to try the new package now. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/3/14 6:06 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/3/14 5:43 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/3/14 5:34 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: ATTENTION: we have to repackage the windows builds, the vote will continue because we change nothing, just repackage the install packages I have built with the release=t flag to be prepared for future patches that will allow us for example to upgrade a 4.1 or 4.2 to an 4.3. The whole mechanism is very complex and it seems that we have overseen a small detail. No big thing we just have to rebuild for now and have to test the patch mechanism a little bit more. That means also that the msp have to be used even more careful. They work to upgrade a 4.0.1 to a 4.1 but the next msp for a potential 4.2 or 4.1.1 can't be applied to a patched 4.0.1. The current problem is that the new full install sets can't be installed over an existing 4.0.1 this. Something that we don't want for now ;-) I will delete the full install sets now to avoid further confusion. Stay tuned probably tomorrow the new builds are available. Ok, Windows full install sets are replaced. I wish you all happy testing and voting and will be back on Monday. We have only repackaged that means the about dialog will contain the same values as before. Juergen Juergen Juergen Juergen On 4/2/14 3:16 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, FOLLOW UP discussion please on the dev list!!! Last week I proposed a final schedule for our upcoming AOO 4.1 release. We are a little bit behind because the fact that we had to fix some further critical issues. Nevertheless I would like to propose a first RC based on revision 1583666 from the AOO410 branch. We spend a lot of time in preparing the RC in time and the upload is ongoing. The MacOS and Windows versions are already available and the Linux upload is still ongoing. But keep in mind the binaries are for convenience and the release relevant bits are the source release. The RC builds can be found as always under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds An overview of the fixes issues, enhancements and tasks going into this release can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc/AOO4.1.0_RC_fixes.html . I invite all volunteers to help with the verification of the fixed issues. Especially the issues related to translation updates/fixes should be verified by native speakers. A related RAT scan can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc/AOO4.1.0_RAT_Scan.html I have also prepared patches (msp) for Windows and for the languages we have released with AOO 4.0.1. The patches are intended for private use only and of course for testing but not for the release. It's the first time that we prepared a complete set of patches and we have to test the functionality a little bit more. The related full install sets are prepared for patches in the future and can release patches in the future as well if they work as expected. By the way I have upgraded AOO 4.0.1
Re: [RELEASE]: propose AOO 4.1.0 RC
On 04.04.2014 09:13, Pedro Lino wrote: Hi all First of all I would like to say that I'm *really* happy that update patches have arrived for the Windows OS. I was almost sure that I would never see this in a StarOffice derivative. Kudos to the AOO developers! Thanks, you're welcome. I have installed scenario 2 (- Upgrade install 4.1.0 over an existing 4.0.1) with en_US and PT under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 en_US. Overall everything seems to be working perfectly but there is a small quirk: the Startup Group for 4.0.1 is not removed so you end up with two startup groups with different names pointing at the same folder. In addition the OpenOffice logo shows on the 4.0.1 group but not on the 4.1.0. I know these are small cosmetic problems but could be confusing for users. This is exactly the kind of feedback that I was looking for. I can create a bugzilla report if necessary. Please do so. Thanks again, Andre Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: propose AOO 4.1.0 RC
Hi Pedro, Could you please report it in bugzilla and help to confirm if it has the same problem when install 4.0.1 over an existing 4.0.0? Thanks! On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all First of all I would like to say that I'm *really* happy that update patches have arrived for the Windows OS. I was almost sure that I would never see this in a StarOffice derivative. Kudos to the AOO developers! I have installed scenario 2 (- Upgrade install 4.1.0 over an existing 4.0.1) with en_US and PT under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 en_US. Overall everything seems to be working perfectly but there is a small quirk: the Startup Group for 4.0.1 is not removed so you end up with two startup groups with different names pointing at the same folder. In addition the OpenOffice logo shows on the 4.0.1 group but not on the 4.1.0. I know these are small cosmetic problems but could be confusing for users. I can create a bugzilla report if necessary. Regards, Pedro On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Steve for your verification on installation of new package on en_US. From testing perspective: 1. The repackage changes nothing on functions, so previous and ongoing tests are still valid and there is no need for retesting. 2. But we need to retest the installation for below two typical scenarios on all language packages - Clean install 4.1.0 with no existing versions(e.g. 4.0.1) - Upgrade install 4.1.0 over an existing 4.0.1 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Steve Yin steve.yin@gmail.com wrote: No problem found. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Steve Yin steve.yin@gmail.com wrote: It's great to hear that. I am going to try the new package now. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/3/14 6:06 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/3/14 5:43 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/3/14 5:34 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: ATTENTION: we have to repackage the windows builds, the vote will continue because we change nothing, just repackage the install packages I have built with the release=t flag to be prepared for future patches that will allow us for example to upgrade a 4.1 or 4.2 to an 4.3. The whole mechanism is very complex and it seems that we have overseen a small detail. No big thing we just have to rebuild for now and have to test the patch mechanism a little bit more. That means also that the msp have to be used even more careful. They work to upgrade a 4.0.1 to a 4.1 but the next msp for a potential 4.2 or 4.1.1 can't be applied to a patched 4.0.1. The current problem is that the new full install sets can't be installed over an existing 4.0.1 this. Something that we don't want for now ;-) I will delete the full install sets now to avoid further confusion. Stay tuned probably tomorrow the new builds are available. Ok, Windows full install sets are replaced. I wish you all happy testing and voting and will be back on Monday. We have only repackaged that means the about dialog will contain the same values as before. Juergen Juergen Juergen Juergen On 4/2/14 3:16 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, FOLLOW UP discussion please on the dev list!!! Last week I proposed a final schedule for our upcoming AOO 4.1 release. We are a little bit behind because the fact that we had to fix some further critical issues. Nevertheless I would like to propose a first RC based on revision 1583666 from the AOO410 branch. We spend a lot of time in preparing the RC in time and the upload is ongoing. The MacOS and Windows versions are already available and the Linux upload is still ongoing. But keep in mind the binaries are for convenience and the release relevant bits are the source release. The RC builds can be found as always under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds An overview of the fixes issues, enhancements and tasks going into this release can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc/AOO4.1.0_RC_fixes.html . I invite all volunteers to help with the verification of the fixed issues. Especially the issues related to translation updates/fixes should be verified by native speakers. A related RAT scan can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc/AOO4.1.0_RAT_Scan.html I have also prepared patches (msp) for Windows and for the languages we have released with AOO 4.0.1. The patches are intended for private use
Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 (RC)
+1 On Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 10:56, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the available release candidate (RC) as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0. Apache OpenOffice 4.1 is a minor update with many bugfixes and at least 2 major improvements. It's the first version where we have the iAccessibility2 support integrated and available. A very huge step forward to reach and better support disabled users especially on Windows. The second improvement is the switch to 64 bit on MacOS. A long and overdue must do shift forward to support newer APIs (replace deprecated APIs) and platforms on MacOS. And we can provide again more complete UI translations and have now support for 38 languages. New languages for this release compared to 4.0.1 are Bulgarian, Danish, Hebrew, Hindi, Norwegian Bokmal and Thai. Apache OpenOffice 4.1 will be a further key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice. An overview of the integrated release issues can be found under: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc/AOO4.1.0_RC_fixes.html The release candidate artifacts (1) (source release, as well as binary releases for 38 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 can be found on the following wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds The RC is based on the release branch AOO410, revision 1583666! And a fresh and clean RAT scan output of this revision can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc/AOO4.1.0_RAT_Scan.html Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 The vote starts now and will be open until: Sunday evening, 6 April: 2014-04-06 11:00pm UTC. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... (1) the upload for the Linux 32 bit artifacts is still ongoing, but 64 bit is already available. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: propose AOO 4.1.0 RC
Hi Pedro, I mean the full installation package On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Yuzhen Is there a patch to update 4.0.0 to 4.0.1? Or do you mean with the full installer? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pedro, Could you please report it in bugzilla and help to confirm if it has the same problem when install 4.0.1 over an existing 4.0.0? Thanks! On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all First of all I would like to say that I'm *really* happy that update patches have arrived for the Windows OS. I was almost sure that I would never see this in a StarOffice derivative. Kudos to the AOO developers! I have installed scenario 2 (- Upgrade install 4.1.0 over an existing 4.0.1) with en_US and PT under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 en_US. Overall everything seems to be working perfectly but there is a small quirk: the Startup Group for 4.0.1 is not removed so you end up with two startup groups with different names pointing at the same folder. In addition the OpenOffice logo shows on the 4.0.1 group but not on the 4.1.0. I know these are small cosmetic problems but could be confusing for users. I can create a bugzilla report if necessary. Regards, Pedro On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Steve for your verification on installation of new package on en_US. From testing perspective: 1. The repackage changes nothing on functions, so previous and ongoing tests are still valid and there is no need for retesting. 2. But we need to retest the installation for below two typical scenarios on all language packages - Clean install 4.1.0 with no existing versions(e.g. 4.0.1) - Upgrade install 4.1.0 over an existing 4.0.1 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Steve Yin steve.yin@gmail.com wrote: No problem found. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Steve Yin steve.yin@gmail.com wrote: It's great to hear that. I am going to try the new package now. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/3/14 6:06 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/3/14 5:43 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/3/14 5:34 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: ATTENTION: we have to repackage the windows builds, the vote will continue because we change nothing, just repackage the install packages I have built with the release=t flag to be prepared for future patches that will allow us for example to upgrade a 4.1 or 4.2 to an 4.3. The whole mechanism is very complex and it seems that we have overseen a small detail. No big thing we just have to rebuild for now and have to test the patch mechanism a little bit more. That means also that the msp have to be used even more careful. They work to upgrade a 4.0.1 to a 4.1 but the next msp for a potential 4.2 or 4.1.1 can't be applied to a patched 4.0.1. The current problem is that the new full install sets can't be installed over an existing 4.0.1 this. Something that we don't want for now ;-) I will delete the full install sets now to avoid further confusion. Stay tuned probably tomorrow the new builds are available. Ok, Windows full install sets are replaced. I wish you all happy testing and voting and will be back on Monday. We have only repackaged that means the about dialog will contain the same values as before. Juergen Juergen Juergen Juergen On 4/2/14 3:16 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, FOLLOW UP discussion please on the dev list!!! Last week I proposed a final schedule for our upcoming AOO 4.1 release. We are a little bit behind because the fact that we had to fix some further critical issues. Nevertheless I would like to propose a first RC based on revision 1583666 from the AOO410 branch. We spend a lot of time in preparing the RC in time and the upload is ongoing. The MacOS and Windows versions are already available and the Linux upload is still ongoing. But keep in mind the binaries are for convenience and the release relevant bits are the source release. The RC builds can be found as always under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds An overview of the fixes issues, enhancements and tasks going into
[QA][Test Report] Weekly Status Update as of 20140404
Hi All, We have completed the AOO 4.1 Full Path Regression Test(FPR), here is the weekly update (4/01 - 4/04): *Test execution:* 1. Complete the left test executions on new snapshot build (AOO410m15(Build:9761) - Rev. 1583666) and spot check the previous tests completed last week *Defect summary:* 1. New bugs opened this week: 124584 - open the sample file in AOO, group shape containing ellipse shape and table not imported correct (already confirmed, not showstopper) 2. About 60 bugs(include crashes) have been verified by Juergen, Oliver, Edwin, Steve, Clarence, Shao Zhi, Liu Ping, Yu Zhen, etc *Issues quality highlight:* 1. AOO 4.1.0 RC1 (AOO410m15(Build:9761) - Rev. 1583666) is proposed and in voting 2. There is a upgrade install issue, reported by Pedro Lino on RC build, need a bug in Bugzilla for tracking the Startup Group for 4.0.1 is not removed so you end up with two startup groups with different names pointing at the same folder. In addition the OpenOffice logo shows on the 4.0.1 group but not on the 4.1.0. 3. We need volunteers to retest the installation for below two typical scenarios on all language packages - Clean install 4.1.0 with no existing versions(e.g. 4.0.1) - Upgrade install 4.1.0 over an existing 4.0.1 *Volunteer status: * 1. We have total 10 test execution volunteers joined to FPR execution work since Mar 24 2. We have 8 defect verification volunteers on 4.1 resolved crash bugs since Mar 31 3. We have 3 - 5 defect checking volunteers on 4.1 regression bugs since Mar 19 - led by Rainer Bielefeld *Plan for next week:* 1. Vote for AOO 4.1.0 before Sunday evening, 6 April: 2014-04-06 11:00pm UTC 2. Stand-to for RC testing if We have RC2 (hopefully not :-)) Thank you all for effort provided last week, we are towards to the release of AOO 4.1.0, let's continue and make progress this week! Regards, Yu Zhen
Re: volunteering as QA!!
Welcome Ritu! Please let us know your favorite QA tasks after reading material provided by Edwin. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote: Welcome and good luck! Please read: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-qa.html Download and check 4.1 release candidate from: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshotfullsets Don't hesitate to ask. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 21:13, Ritu Swain wrote: Hi, I just got the confirmation after adding myself to the QA mailing list, however did not receive any instructions.Please point me to the material, as to where and how to start. thanks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Regards, Yu Zhen
Re: OpenOffice Beta writer 4.1 and NVDA's Say All Feature
Hi, On 03.04.2014 17:55, David Goldfield wrote: I’m wondering if someone else who is using the NVDA screen reader could confirm the following issue. NVDA has a command which allows the user to hear the contents of the entire document from the cursor position to the end of the file, unless the control key is pressed to silence the speech. This key, by default, is insert-down arrow. For folks who aren’t familiar with screen readers, the insert key on the numeric keypad is often used as a modifier key, just as we often use keys such as the alt or control keys to perform specific functions when combined with other keys. Pressing the insert key along with the down arrow is NVDA’s continuous read command. Make sure numlock is turned off. With OpenOffice Beta Writer, NVDA seems to stop reading after a few lines. I’m guessing this is an NVDA issue and, if it is, I will see if a ticket has been filed on their bug tracker regarding the problem. If it has not, I’ll report it. If, for some reason, the issue is with OO I wanted to let someone know about it in case it can be fixed by an OO developer. I am not sure, if the following has impact on NVDA document reading function. As far as I remember only the visible part of a text document in Writer is available to AT tools via the accessibility API. Thus, it might be that NVDA just read the text which it could retrieve from OpenOffice Writer. Could you check, if NVDA reads all the visible text and then stops? Best regards, Oliver. /*David Goldfield*/ *Computer Technology Instructor* *919 Walnut Street* *4th Floor* *Philadelphia, PA 19107* *215-627-0600 ext 3277* *FAX: 215-922-0692* *dgold...@asb.org* mailto:dgold...@asb.org** *www.asb.org* http://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia’s and the nation’s blind and visually impaired population since 1874. www.asb.org http://www.facebook.com/pages/Associated-Services-for-the-Blind/234389409941928www.asb.org http://twitter.com/ASBPhiladelphia - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 (RC)
+1 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote: [X] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Edwin Sharp el...@mail-page.com wrote: +1 On Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 10:56, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the available release candidate (RC) as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0. Apache OpenOffice 4.1 is a minor update with many bugfixes and at least 2 major improvements. It's the first version where we have the iAccessibility2 support integrated and available. A very huge step forward to reach and better support disabled users especially on Windows. The second improvement is the switch to 64 bit on MacOS. A long and overdue must do shift forward to support newer APIs (replace deprecated APIs) and platforms on MacOS. And we can provide again more complete UI translations and have now support for 38 languages. New languages for this release compared to 4.0.1 are Bulgarian, Danish, Hebrew, Hindi, Norwegian Bokmal and Thai. Apache OpenOffice 4.1 will be a further key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice. An overview of the integrated release issues can be found under: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc/AOO4.1.0_RC_fixes.html The release candidate artifacts (1) (source release, as well as binary releases for 38 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 can be found on the following wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds The RC is based on the release branch AOO410, revision 1583666! And a fresh and clean RAT scan output of this revision can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc/AOO4.1.0_RAT_Scan.html Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 The vote starts now and will be open until: Sunday evening, 6 April: 2014-04-06 11:00pm UTC. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... (1) the upload for the Linux 32 bit artifacts is still ongoing, but 64 bit is already available. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Regards, Yu Zhen
Re: Re issue 124599
On 04.04.2014 17:39, Andre Fischer wrote: On 04.04.2014 17:34, Andre Fischer wrote: On 04.04.2014 17:01, Andre Fischer wrote: Issue 124599 is the release blocker that requires a second RC. We have a bug fix, the patch is attached to the issue. Question is, how to proceed without Juergen to approve the release blocker flag? Does anybody else feel like a stand in for Juergen or should I just proceed? After all, if I stop his vote, I should probably fix the bug so that we/he can start the next vote. -Andre Herbert just reminded me that the upload speeds on the weekend are so much better then during the week. So I think that it would be good to check in the patch right now, start the builds and upload. Then we can decide on Monday how to proceed. -Andre New SVN revision is 1584753. New builds for this revision are being prepared and will hopefully finish uploading over the weekend. On Monday or latest on Tuesday everything should be ready again and we can decide then how to proceed. If things go as expected we could start a new vote early next week. Since the eventual RC2 will be very similar to the RC1 (with the exception of the installation experience on Windows) I recommend to use the extra time for further checking of the original binaries until the new builds become available. Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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