Re: [QBS] Qbs Roadmap
Hello, If you are into qbs already, you are probably not interested but anyway: CMake does everything you want. E. g. you can use the source_group command to group into folders in Visual Studio, it does run CMake automatically when any project file (CMakeLists.txt) has been changed and reloads the projects if there are changes, etc On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Jochen Becher jochen_bec...@gmx.de wrote: Am Freitag, den 31.05.2013, 17:39 +0200 schrieb Joerg Bornemann: On 31/05/2013 14:29, Jochen Becher wrote: in my company we are currently trying to switch from Visual Studio with Qt plugin to QtCreator. We were running into some conceptional problems with qmake so we are currently looking into Qbs as an alternative. Just out of curiosity, could you tell us what these conceptional problems are in detail? 1. qmake / jom is much slower than Visual Studio build 2. Integration of Incredibuild with qmake is much slower than Visual Studio (each (library) linkage serializes the build process and we have about 90 libraries/executables in our largest solution so it gets unacceptable slow) 3. jom (and nmake) do not reload the make files after it has been changed by an embedded qmake run. One has to start qmake manually after each change in any .pro file. 4. No virtual folder for projects or source files are possible with qmake (we fixed that partly with a patch to QtCreator and some extra .pro files we introduced which do something similar to virtual solution folders in Visual Studio) We understand that Qbs' integration into QtCreator is still not ready for daily use (e.g. because of issue QBS-19 and others) so I would like to know if there is any detailed roadmap of Qbs for the next months. QBS-19 (add possibility to add files to qbs projects in Qt Creator) is just about adding files via right-mouse click and a context menu. You can add files by directly editing the project file of course. Of course. But we cannot expect our developers to prefer QtCreator over Visual Studio if wizards do not work as usual. We have built our own QtCreator wizards adopted to our developer environment (the new wizards do a lot more than the standard ones). We need the possibility to add projects, products, groups and files in a flexible way before we can switch to qbs. The roadmap can be viewed in JIRA. It is reachable via the main project page https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QBS There are the planned future versions visible. Every accepted issue got a version assigned to it that indicates when they are supposed to be fixed. Thank you, I will look into this. Best Regards, Jochen BR, Joerg ___ QBS mailing list QBS@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qbs -- Pau Garcia i Quiles http://www.elpauer.org (Due to my workload, I may need 10 days to answer) ___ QBS mailing list QBS@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qbs
Re: [QBS] Qbs Roadmap
Am Samstag, den 01.06.2013, 12:01 +0200 schrieb Pau Garcia i Quiles: Hello, If you are into qbs already, you are probably not interested but anyway: CMake does everything you want. E. g. you can use the source_group command to group into folders in Visual Studio, it does run CMake automatically when any project file (CMakeLists.txt) has been changed and reloads the projects if there are changes, etc I know CMake and we are looking into that build system also. But the support for CMake in QtCreator is also missing a lot of features and we want to switch to QtCreator because it is the only IDE that has support for QtQuick and it has already more refactoring features than Visual Studio (even if VisualAssist or something similar is installed). Also the C++ code model of QtCreator is much better than the Visual Studio's one (which in fact is not a code model but crap) and we use that for some extensions. Regards, Jochen On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Jochen Becher jochen_bec...@gmx.de wrote: Am Freitag, den 31.05.2013, 17:39 +0200 schrieb Joerg Bornemann: On 31/05/2013 14:29, Jochen Becher wrote: in my company we are currently trying to switch from Visual Studio with Qt plugin to QtCreator. We were running into some conceptional problems with qmake so we are currently looking into Qbs as an alternative. Just out of curiosity, could you tell us what these conceptional problems are in detail? 1. qmake / jom is much slower than Visual Studio build 2. Integration of Incredibuild with qmake is much slower than Visual Studio (each (library) linkage serializes the build process and we have about 90 libraries/executables in our largest solution so it gets unacceptable slow) 3. jom (and nmake) do not reload the make files after it has been changed by an embedded qmake run. One has to start qmake manually after each change in any .pro file. 4. No virtual folder for projects or source files are possible with qmake (we fixed that partly with a patch to QtCreator and some extra .pro files we introduced which do something similar to virtual solution folders in Visual Studio) We understand that Qbs' integration into QtCreator is still not ready for daily use (e.g. because of issue QBS-19 and others) so I would like to know if there is any detailed roadmap of Qbs for the next months. QBS-19 (add possibility to add files to qbs projects in Qt Creator) is just about adding files via right-mouse click and a context menu. You can add files by directly editing the project file of course. Of course. But we cannot expect our developers to prefer QtCreator over Visual Studio if wizards do not work as usual. We have built our own QtCreator wizards adopted to our developer environment (the new wizards do a lot more than the standard ones). We need the possibility to add projects, products, groups and files in a flexible way before we can switch to qbs. The roadmap can be viewed in JIRA. It is reachable via the main project page https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QBS There are the planned future versions visible. Every accepted issue got a version assigned to it that indicates when they are supposed to be fixed. Thank you, I will look into this. Best Regards, Jochen BR, Joerg ___ QBS mailing list QBS@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qbs -- Pau Garcia i Quiles http://www.elpauer.org (Due to my workload, I may need 10 days to answer) ___ QBS mailing list QBS@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qbs
Re: [QBS] Qbs Roadmap
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Jochen Becher jochen_bec...@gmx.de wrote: But the support for CMake in QtCreator is also missing a lot of features Indeed. There is KDevelop, which has very good CMake support but bad Qt Quick support: http://milianw.de/blog/qmljavascript-language-plugin-for-kdevelop Someone developed a CMake plugin for QtCreator which made CMake in QtCreator a first-class citizen but IIRC that was never accepted because the plugin was like 60% of the code of CMake itself. I've found this one but I think it's not the one I am talking about: http://gitorious.org/hatred-qt-creator-plugins/cmakeprojectmanager2 -- Pau Garcia i Quiles http://www.elpauer.org (Due to my workload, I may need 10 days to answer) ___ QBS mailing list QBS@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qbs
Re: [QBS] Qbs Roadmap
On 31/05/2013 14:29, Jochen Becher wrote: in my company we are currently trying to switch from Visual Studio with Qt plugin to QtCreator. We were running into some conceptional problems with qmake so we are currently looking into Qbs as an alternative. Just out of curiosity, could you tell us what these conceptional problems are in detail? We understand that Qbs' integration into QtCreator is still not ready for daily use (e.g. because of issue QBS-19 and others) so I would like to know if there is any detailed roadmap of Qbs for the next months. QBS-19 (add possibility to add files to qbs projects in Qt Creator) is just about adding files via right-mouse click and a context menu. You can add files by directly editing the project file of course. The roadmap can be viewed in JIRA. It is reachable via the main project page https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QBS There are the planned future versions visible. Every accepted issue got a version assigned to it that indicates when they are supposed to be fixed. BR, Joerg ___ QBS mailing list QBS@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qbs
