Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: IRC channel movement - FreeNode to OFTC
On 1/24/2011 1:13 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 17:44, Brian Jackson wrote: A. Must be registered to talk in a channel i'm fairly certain that is a per-channel setting But none of the current developers have access to the channel to change the setting and it's on by default... C. They have strange rules about groups and channel ownership ive never had a problem Yeah, this was a bit vague. I think the biggest issue is that nobody that's actually involved in qemu currently has any ability to do anything with the #qemu@freenode. So it's either make a #therealqemu@freenode, try to convince freenode that the current developers should have access, or move to a network that is friendlier to it's users. Guess which one is easiest? D. Their non-profit status in the US was terminated for failure to file paperwork properly not terribly relevant if the network continues to function ... just dont give them money -mike If nobody gives them money how are they going to continue operating?
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: IRC channel movement - FreeNode to OFTC
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 15:05, Brian Jackson wrote: On 1/24/2011 1:13 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 17:44, Brian Jackson wrote: C. They have strange rules about groups and channel ownership ive never had a problem Yeah, this was a bit vague. I think the biggest issue is that nobody that's actually involved in qemu currently has any ability to do anything with the #qemu@freenode. So it's either make a #therealqemu@freenode, try to convince freenode that the current developers should have access, or move to a network that is friendlier to it's users. Guess which one is easiest? so from your point, it's more a matter of freenode sucks because we've lost control of the official qemu channel and OFTC works because we currently have active developers who control the official qemu channel. so when control is lost on OFTC, where to next ? i vote for EFnet. D. Their non-profit status in the US was terminated for failure to file paperwork properly not terribly relevant if the network continues to function ... just dont give them money If nobody gives them money how are they going to continue operating? considering they have volunteer servers from organizations that get money for other reasons already, i dont think they're going to implode. or if they do, you then have an argument that no one can defend -- let's move to OFTC because freenode no longer exists. -mike
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: IRC channel movement - FreeNode to OFTC
On 1/25/2011 4:24 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 15:05, Brian Jackson wrote: On 1/24/2011 1:13 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 17:44, Brian Jackson wrote: C. They have strange rules about groups and channel ownership ive never had a problem Yeah, this was a bit vague. I think the biggest issue is that nobody that's actually involved in qemu currently has any ability to do anything with the #qemu@freenode. So it's either make a #therealqemu@freenode, try to convince freenode that the current developers should have access, or move to a network that is friendlier to it's users. Guess which one is easiest? so from your point, it's more a matter of freenode sucks because we've lost control of the official qemu channel and OFTC works because we currently have active developers who control the official qemu channel. so when control is lost on OFTC, where to next ? i vote for EFnet. D. Their non-profit status in the US was terminated for failure to file paperwork properly not terribly relevant if the network continues to function ... just dont give them money If nobody gives them money how are they going to continue operating? considering they have volunteer servers from organizations that get money for other reasons already, i dont think they're going to implode. or if they do, you then have an argument that no one can defend -- let's move to OFTC because freenode no longer exists. -mike Really it's a moot point. The channel already moved. I don't think moving back buys us anything at this point.
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: IRC channel movement - FreeNode to OFTC
(btw, Brian Jackson i...@theiggy.com seems to be rejected by my smtp here: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found) Le 25 janv. 2011 à 23:40, Brian Jackson a écrit : D. Their non-profit status in the US was terminated for failure to file paperwork properly not terribly relevant if the network continues to function ... just dont give them money If nobody gives them money how are they going to continue operating? considering they have volunteer servers from organizations that get money for other reasons already, i dont think they're going to implode. or if they do, you then have an argument that no one can defend -- let's move to OFTC because freenode no longer exists. -mike Really it's a moot point. The channel already moved. I don't think moving back buys us anything at this point. Except people who don't go there by laziness because all their other channels are on freenode. Raise your hands ! \o_ François.
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: IRC channel movement - FreeNode to OFTC
Le 25 janv. 2011 à 23:24, Mike Frysinger a écrit : On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 15:05, Brian Jackson wrote: On 1/24/2011 1:13 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 17:44, Brian Jackson wrote: C. They have strange rules about groups and channel ownership ive never had a problem Yeah, this was a bit vague. I think the biggest issue is that nobody that's actually involved in qemu currently has any ability to do anything with the #qemu@freenode. So it's either make a #therealqemu@freenode, try to convince freenode that the current developers should have access, or move to a network that is friendlier to it's users. Guess which one is easiest? so from your point, it's more a matter of freenode sucks because we've lost control of the official qemu channel and OFTC works because we currently have active developers who control the official qemu channel. so when control is lost on OFTC, where to next ? i vote for EFnet. No but it should be possible to ask the freenode team to drop the current owners, they shall see if it's not been worked on for a while. François.
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: IRC channel movement - FreeNode to OFTC
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 17:44, Brian Jackson wrote: A. Must be registered to talk in a channel i'm fairly certain that is a per-channel setting C. They have strange rules about groups and channel ownership ive never had a problem D. Their non-profit status in the US was terminated for failure to file paperwork properly not terribly relevant if the network continues to function ... just dont give them money -mike
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: IRC channel movement - FreeNode to OFTC
Le 24 janv. 2011 à 20:13, Mike Frysinger a écrit : On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 17:44, Brian Jackson wrote: A. Must be registered to talk in a channel i'm fairly certain that is a per-channel setting Indeed, only on #qemu do I have to identify to talk, other channels don't require it. D. Their non-profit status in the US was terminated for failure to file paperwork properly not terribly relevant if the network continues to function ... just dont give them money +1 François.
[Qemu-devel] Re: IRC channel movement - FreeNode to OFTC
Hi, I'd like to move IRC channels from FreeNode to OFTC, so please join #qemu on OFTC starting now. - what's wrong with freenode ? everyone is there. - #define OFTC ? François.
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: IRC channel movement - FreeNode to OFTC
On Thursday, December 09, 2010 08:06:10 am François Revol wrote: Hi, I'd like to move IRC channels from FreeNode to OFTC, so please join #qemu on OFTC starting now. - what's wrong with freenode ? everyone is there. I can't speak for Anthony or the other devs, but freenode has some strange policies: A. Must be registered to talk in a channel B. They have weird rules wrt running bots (ask #kvm how nice it was to have an infobot in there before freenode banned it) C. They have strange rules about groups and channel ownership D. Their non-profit status in the US was terminated for failure to file paperwork properly They're run without any oversight, and there's no clear election or staff structure that suggests continuity of service. - #define OFTC ? www.oftc.net irc.oftc.net François.
