Re: [PATCH 00/13] block: remove aio_disable_external() API

2023-04-04 Thread Stefan Hajnoczi
On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 03:43:20PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 4/3/23 20:29, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > The aio_disable_external() API temporarily suspends file descriptor 
> > monitoring
> > in the event loop. The block layer uses this to prevent new I/O requests 
> > being
> > submitted from the guest and elsewhere between bdrv_drained_begin() and
> > bdrv_drained_end().
> > 
> > While the block layer still needs to prevent new I/O requests in drained
> > sections, the aio_disable_external() API can be replaced with
> > .drained_begin/end/poll() callbacks that have been added to BdrvChildClass 
> > and
> > BlockDevOps.
> > 
> > This newer .bdrained_begin/end/poll() approach is attractive because it 
> > works
> > without specifying a specific AioContext. The block layer is moving towards
> > multi-queue and that means multiple AioContexts may be processing I/O
> > simultaneously.
> > 
> > The aio_disable_external() was always somewhat hacky. It suspends all file
> > descriptors that were registered with is_external=true, even if they have
> > nothing to do with the BlockDriverState graph nodes that are being drained.
> > It's better to solve a block layer problem in the block layer than to have 
> > an
> > odd event loop API solution.
> > 
> > That covers the motivation for this change, now on to the specifics of this
> > series:
> > 
> > While it would be nice if a single conceptual approach could be applied to 
> > all
> > is_external=true file descriptors, I ended up looking at callers on a
> > case-by-case basis. There are two general ways I migrated code away from
> > is_external=true:
> > 
> > 1. Block exports are typically best off unregistering fds in 
> > .drained_begin()
> > and registering them again in .drained_end(). The .drained_poll() 
> > function
> > waits for in-flight requests to finish using a reference counter.
> > 
> > 2. Emulated storage controllers like virtio-blk and virtio-scsi are a little
> > simpler. They can rely on BlockBackend's request queuing during drain
> > feature. Guest I/O request coroutines are suspended in a drained 
> > section and
> > resume upon the end of the drained section.
> 
> Sorry, I disagree with this.
> 
> Request queuing was shown to cause deadlocks; Hanna's latest patch is piling
> another hack upon it, instead in my opinion we should go in the direction of
> relying _less_ (or not at all) on request queuing.
> 
> I am strongly convinced that request queuing must apply only after
> bdrv_drained_begin has returned, which would also fix the IDE TRIM bug
> reported by Fiona Ebner.  The possible livelock scenario is generally not a
> problem because 1) outside an iothread you have anyway the BQL that prevents
> a vCPU from issuing more I/O operations during bdrv_drained_begin 2) in
> iothreads you have aio_disable_external() instead of .drained_begin().
> 
> It is also less tidy to start a request during the drained_begin phase,
> because a request that has been submitted has to be completed (cancel
> doesn't really work).
> 
> So in an ideal world, request queuing would not only apply only after
> bdrv_drained_begin has returned, it would log a warning and .drained_begin()
> should set up things so that there are no such warnings.

That's fine, I will give .drained_begin/end/poll() a try with virtio-blk
and virtio-scsi in the next revision.

Stefan


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Re: [PATCH 00/13] block: remove aio_disable_external() API

2023-04-04 Thread Paolo Bonzini

On 4/3/23 20:29, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:

The aio_disable_external() API temporarily suspends file descriptor monitoring
in the event loop. The block layer uses this to prevent new I/O requests being
submitted from the guest and elsewhere between bdrv_drained_begin() and
bdrv_drained_end().

While the block layer still needs to prevent new I/O requests in drained
sections, the aio_disable_external() API can be replaced with
.drained_begin/end/poll() callbacks that have been added to BdrvChildClass and
BlockDevOps.

This newer .bdrained_begin/end/poll() approach is attractive because it works
without specifying a specific AioContext. The block layer is moving towards
multi-queue and that means multiple AioContexts may be processing I/O
simultaneously.

The aio_disable_external() was always somewhat hacky. It suspends all file
descriptors that were registered with is_external=true, even if they have
nothing to do with the BlockDriverState graph nodes that are being drained.
It's better to solve a block layer problem in the block layer than to have an
odd event loop API solution.

That covers the motivation for this change, now on to the specifics of this
series:

While it would be nice if a single conceptual approach could be applied to all
is_external=true file descriptors, I ended up looking at callers on a
case-by-case basis. There are two general ways I migrated code away from
is_external=true:

1. Block exports are typically best off unregistering fds in .drained_begin()
and registering them again in .drained_end(). The .drained_poll() function
waits for in-flight requests to finish using a reference counter.

2. Emulated storage controllers like virtio-blk and virtio-scsi are a little
simpler. They can rely on BlockBackend's request queuing during drain
feature. Guest I/O request coroutines are suspended in a drained section and
resume upon the end of the drained section.


Sorry, I disagree with this.

Request queuing was shown to cause deadlocks; Hanna's latest patch is 
piling another hack upon it, instead in my opinion we should go in the 
direction of relying _less_ (or not at all) on request queuing.


I am strongly convinced that request queuing must apply only after 
bdrv_drained_begin has returned, which would also fix the IDE TRIM bug 
reported by Fiona Ebner.  The possible livelock scenario is generally 
not a problem because 1) outside an iothread you have anyway the BQL 
that prevents a vCPU from issuing more I/O operations during 
bdrv_drained_begin 2) in iothreads you have aio_disable_external() 
instead of .drained_begin().


It is also less tidy to start a request during the drained_begin phase, 
because a request that has been submitted has to be completed (cancel 
doesn't really work).


So in an ideal world, request queuing would not only apply only after 
bdrv_drained_begin has returned, it would log a warning and 
.drained_begin() should set up things so that there are no such warnings.


Thanks,

Paolo