[QGIS-Developer] Plugin [849] AmigoCloud approval notification.

2020-02-20 Thread noreply

Plugin AmigoCloud approval by pcav.
The plugin version "[849] AmigoCloud 0.15" is now approved
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Zoom to Scale Plugin - Should we include it on qgis.org?

2020-02-20 Thread Alexander Bruy
Also QGIS allows to create custom scale lists and switch between scales
by selecting desired value from the scale combobox in the main window
statusbar.

пт, 21 лют. 2020 о 00:48 Nyall Dawson  пише:
>
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 at 05:37, C Hamilton  wrote:
> >
> > We have written a plugin that fixes the scale of the QGIS canvas to match 
> > the integral size of EPSG:3857 map server tiles. This way there is no 
> > degradation of the images by transformation. This has some similarities to 
> > the QGIS 2 plugin called Tile Map Scale Plugin which was never updated for 
> > QGIS 3.
>
> How is this different to the built-in "Tile Scale" panel? Can you clarify?
>
> Nyall
>
> >
> > This only works with EPSG:3857 projections. I wish I could figure out a way 
> > to also match an EPSG:4326 tile cache to the canvas scale size, but I 
> > cannot use the map scale to calculate this because it changes as you move 
> > around.
> >
> > Would you be interested in having this plugin added into the QGIS repo? 
> > Unlike the Tile Map Scale Plugin ours only has a single toggle button to 
> > lock or unlock the QGIS scale to one of the predefined scales.
> >
> > Let me know what you think?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Calvin
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Zoom to Scale Plugin - Should we include it on qgis.org?

2020-02-20 Thread Nyall Dawson
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 at 05:37, C Hamilton  wrote:
>
> We have written a plugin that fixes the scale of the QGIS canvas to match the 
> integral size of EPSG:3857 map server tiles. This way there is no degradation 
> of the images by transformation. This has some similarities to the QGIS 2 
> plugin called Tile Map Scale Plugin which was never updated for QGIS 3.

How is this different to the built-in "Tile Scale" panel? Can you clarify?

Nyall

>
> This only works with EPSG:3857 projections. I wish I could figure out a way 
> to also match an EPSG:4326 tile cache to the canvas scale size, but I cannot 
> use the map scale to calculate this because it changes as you move around.
>
> Would you be interested in having this plugin added into the QGIS repo? 
> Unlike the Tile Map Scale Plugin ours only has a single toggle button to lock 
> or unlock the QGIS scale to one of the predefined scales.
>
> Let me know what you think?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Calvin
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Zoom to Scale Plugin - Should we include it on qgis.org?

2020-02-20 Thread C Hamilton
Richard,

Thanks for that information. I meant plugins.qgis.org. From the URL you
sent it looks like it has many of the components and it gives me ideas for
EPSG:4326.

Unless someone else is working on this I will submit a plugin after I see
if I can make it work with other CRS tile caches.

Thanks,

Calvin

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:58 PM Richard Duivenvoorde 
wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> One year ago I proposed the following: a tree embedded widget to be used
> for WMS/WMTS layers. It uses the functionality which is in the Juergens
> Tile Scale Panel:
>
>
> http://www.qgis.nl/2019/02/14/about-layer-tree-embedded-widgets-and-have-your-wmts-always-crispy-sharp/?lang=en
>
> Probably you mean something else? As it is not resizing the servertiles,
> but 'clicking' to the right scales (coming from the capability
> documents) of the active layer.
>
> If you mean plugins.qgis.org when you talk 'adding it to the repo' I
> would say yes! Why not?
> If you say add it by default to QGIS, I'd say: let's first see and check
> it out as plugin :-)
> Also (see discussion about resources plugin) adding python plugins to
> QGIS installs has some drawbacks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Duivenvoorde
>
>
> On 2/20/20 8:37 PM, C Hamilton wrote:
> > We have written a plugin that fixes the scale of the QGIS canvas to
> > match the integral size of EPSG:3857 map server tiles. This way there is
> > no degradation of the images by transformation. This has some
> > similarities to the QGIS 2 plugin called Tile Map Scale Plugin which was
> > never updated for QGIS 3.
> >
> > This only works with EPSG:3857 projections. I wish I could figure out a
> > way to also match an EPSG:4326 tile cache to the canvas scale size, but
> > I cannot use the map scale to calculate this because it changes as you
> > move around.
> >
> > Would you be interested in having this plugin added into the QGIS repo?
> > Unlike the Tile Map Scale Plugin ours only has a single toggle button to
> > lock or unlock the QGIS scale to one of the predefined scales.
> >
> > Let me know what you think?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Calvin
> >
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Zoom to Scale Plugin - Should we include it on qgis.org?

2020-02-20 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde
Hi Chris,

One year ago I proposed the following: a tree embedded widget to be used
for WMS/WMTS layers. It uses the functionality which is in the Juergens
Tile Scale Panel:

http://www.qgis.nl/2019/02/14/about-layer-tree-embedded-widgets-and-have-your-wmts-always-crispy-sharp/?lang=en

Probably you mean something else? As it is not resizing the servertiles,
but 'clicking' to the right scales (coming from the capability
documents) of the active layer.

If you mean plugins.qgis.org when you talk 'adding it to the repo' I
would say yes! Why not?
If you say add it by default to QGIS, I'd say: let's first see and check
it out as plugin :-)
Also (see discussion about resources plugin) adding python plugins to
QGIS installs has some drawbacks.

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde


On 2/20/20 8:37 PM, C Hamilton wrote:
> We have written a plugin that fixes the scale of the QGIS canvas to
> match the integral size of EPSG:3857 map server tiles. This way there is
> no degradation of the images by transformation. This has some
> similarities to the QGIS 2 plugin called Tile Map Scale Plugin which was
> never updated for QGIS 3.
> 
> This only works with EPSG:3857 projections. I wish I could figure out a
> way to also match an EPSG:4326 tile cache to the canvas scale size, but
> I cannot use the map scale to calculate this because it changes as you
> move around.
> 
> Would you be interested in having this plugin added into the QGIS repo?
> Unlike the Tile Map Scale Plugin ours only has a single toggle button to
> lock or unlock the QGIS scale to one of the predefined scales.
> 
> Let me know what you think?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Calvin
> 
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[QGIS-Developer] Zoom to Scale Plugin - Should we include it on qgis.org?

2020-02-20 Thread C Hamilton
We have written a plugin that fixes the scale of the QGIS canvas to match
the integral size of EPSG:3857 map server tiles. This way there is no
degradation of the images by transformation. This has some similarities to
the QGIS 2 plugin called Tile Map Scale Plugin which was never updated for
QGIS 3.

This only works with EPSG:3857 projections. I wish I could figure out a way
to also match an EPSG:4326 tile cache to the canvas scale size, but I
cannot use the map scale to calculate this because it changes as you move
around.

Would you be interested in having this plugin added into the QGIS repo?
Unlike the Tile Map Scale Plugin ours only has a single toggle button to
lock or unlock the QGIS scale to one of the predefined scales.

Let me know what you think?

Thanks,

Calvin
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] [Qgis-user] Thoughts on QGIS Development and LTR Releases

2020-02-20 Thread Régis Haubourg
Hi Chris,
I share most of your concerns, as much as I advocate the spread of QGIS in
enterprise and organisations.
It is true we need always more reliability, documentation.  I'd like also
to point that 2.x is not so far away, and that the reliability have since
improved by order of magnitude.
Let's also keep in mind that the level of expectations of users grows very
fast too, so this is a race that will never end ;-)

However, I think there is a cultural problem, and probably a pedagogy
effort we should make.

LTR does not mean stable. LTR means it will gain bugfixes longer than
releases. So it is highly expectable that installing a LTR in its early
versions will let you hit more issues.  I remember the very same situation
for ArcGIS 8 or 9 early stages. And this is the very same for linux
distributions or any software. I don't remember any  early x.0 release in
QGIS that was not followed one week later by an urgent point release. But
new users don't know this. They see a big green button "download that sexy
new version".

That said, how to improve the situation? After years of discussions in the
various events, hackfest, conferences, discussions with public or private
customers, developpers, here are the possible leads we have:

- Keep on explaining the rationale and codes of free software to users and
potential funders.

- Try to keep our "power users / early testers" population, so that we
target the right issues during bugfix sprints.

- Offer longer LTR lifespan, so that funders have a larger window to
actually find and have bug fixed.

- Keep on explaining that QGIS bugfix release should be easily deployable
in big organisations. OSGEO4W silent installs allows this. Maybe going
toward auto upgrade /  patch system could help (it's a big effort though)

- Keep on gaining more budget for QGIS.org, so that we can setup a real
semi automated Q/A acceptance test suite. This requires human tests.
Boundless did, it is possible. It is a matter of ressources. Should it be
centralized or community powered ? I have no idea, but this requires
someone to be hired all year long to do this. IMO, enterprises requiring
such reliability should really consider sponsoring this framework and
dedicate some human ressources.

- Same goes for documentation

- Same goes for code review, we need to have more reviewers. the learning
curve is steep though, and we need to find money for this

- Improve the website with a simple page, with graphics and videos on what
is the lifecycle of QGIS, and what version to use for what expectations.


A note about QGIS.org budget. To me, it is only a leverage, a catalyser,
but it can't fund itself a full QA infrastructure with the current economic
model of the association. I think, this is our responsability to spread
this word everywhere so that the user / contributor rate changes a bit.

After all, even Microsoft with its thousands of testers, and its early
testing network was able to push updates causing the famous Blue Screen Of
the Death.
So shit can happen. Packaging nightmare with major changes in underlying
libraries remains a really really complex process. How fast we are to fix
and change our ways to do is the real question. I think the QGIS and OSGeo
Community does a tremendeous work.

Best regards,
Régis




Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 16:21, C Hamilton  a écrit :

> I first want to say how much I appreciate all of the QGIS developers and
> all of your hard work, but I would also like to suggest that you exercise
> caution when you label a release LTR. I work in a large organization where
> most geospatial analysts can have access to ArcGIS if they want it. The
> advantage to ArcGIS is that everyone has been trained to use it, ESRI has
> been around for a long time and there is a lot of documentation, training
> and support for it. So why would users want to use QGIS?
>
> There are always a curious few who see QGIS and realize they can download
> it for free at home. They tinker with it and come to like it and then they
> try it in the workplace. For the users who have ArcGIS at their disposal
> there must be a good reason to use QGIS instead. These tend to be the
> reasons they use QGIS: 1) It does not crash as much as ArcGIS. 2) It is
> faster than ArcGIS. 3) It can effectively processing larger data sets than
> ArcGIS. 4) There may be some workflow in QGIS that is simpler than in
> ArcGIS.
>
> I think that the QGIS community can be proud about the fact that most of
> my users who start using QGIS love it and don't want to go back to ArcGIS
> if at all possible.
>
> If a user finds that their reason for using QGIS goes away, they will be
> disappointed, but will to go back to ArcGIS. I am an advocate for QGIS in
> our work place. I think it should be used more, but it is really, really
> hard to convince most people. Most of my users are not programmers so if
> something is broken they don' t know how to fix it. We have QGIS support
> contracts which help. Users consider the QGIS 

[QGIS-Developer] Thoughts on QGIS Development and LTR Releases

2020-02-20 Thread C Hamilton
I first want to say how much I appreciate all of the QGIS developers and
all of your hard work, but I would also like to suggest that you exercise
caution when you label a release LTR. I work in a large organization where
most geospatial analysts can have access to ArcGIS if they want it. The
advantage to ArcGIS is that everyone has been trained to use it, ESRI has
been around for a long time and there is a lot of documentation, training
and support for it. So why would users want to use QGIS?

There are always a curious few who see QGIS and realize they can download
it for free at home. They tinker with it and come to like it and then they
try it in the workplace. For the users who have ArcGIS at their disposal
there must be a good reason to use QGIS instead. These tend to be the
reasons they use QGIS: 1) It does not crash as much as ArcGIS. 2) It is
faster than ArcGIS. 3) It can effectively processing larger data sets than
ArcGIS. 4) There may be some workflow in QGIS that is simpler than in
ArcGIS.

I think that the QGIS community can be proud about the fact that most of my
users who start using QGIS love it and don't want to go back to ArcGIS if
at all possible.

If a user finds that their reason for using QGIS goes away, they will be
disappointed, but will to go back to ArcGIS. I am an advocate for QGIS in
our work place. I think it should be used more, but it is really, really
hard to convince most people. Most of my users are not programmers so if
something is broken they don' t know how to fix it. We have QGIS support
contracts which help. Users consider the QGIS LTR to be a stable release.
If you release the LTR before it is stable, then that can have bad
consequences to our user base.

QGIS 3.10.2 probably should not have been labeled LTR, but I have been
actively telling our workforce not to use 3.10 yet. 3.10.2 still seems to
have some serious bugs as it is frequently crashing (negating one of the
reasons for using QGIS). There must be a WMTS problem that is causing it to
crash and I have had a report that there is a serious memory bug. I am
hoping that 3.10.3 will have solved most of these problems, but I am not
going to count on it until I test it. Everyone has different uses for QGIS
and different workflows and each person's experiences are going to be
different, but I would suggest that you don't mark a release LTR until it
is reliable. Additionally, I suggest that you never back port major
libraries or capabilities into the LTR like what happened last fall. Only
fix the bugs. As saying goes, "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." I still
have users on QGIS 2.x and they love it and it works for their needs.

I share this with you in the hope that it is helpful.

The best to you all,

Calvin
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Q-without-GIS

2020-02-20 Thread Etienne Trimaille
In my previous jobs, I got the use case where I wanted to use QGIS without
maps ...
It was a Postgresql database and I needed a application to do some CRUD on
the database, in an easy way.
QGIS does plenty of things like:
- forms
- attribute table
- conditional formatting in the attribute table
- loading views from PostgreSQL etc
- dataplotly
- layout/reports
which are indeed very nice. It looks a little bit weird to open QGIS to
open a non-spatial project :)

I didn't find any good software to replace QGIS. (maybe I was biased too)
I tried to build one quickly a few months ago for editing a single
postgresql table (with conditional formatting and forms), but I didn't go
far:
https://github.com/Gustry/qgis_standalone_application

Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 12:05, Paolo Cavallini  a
écrit :

> Il 2020-02-20 11:46 Raymond Nijssen ha scritto:
> > Haha, I never heard anyone using QGIS for any work that doesn't have a
> > map involved. Do you have examples?
>
> sure, plenty of:
> * designing od data entry forms (yes, even for an addressbook)
> * reports including pictures and tables
>
> > But last month I suggested using QGIS for generating the invoices for
> > the Dutch User Group (as an atlas). Because I didn't know another way
> > for doing such a job. Besides I thought it would be funny. :)
>
> indeed!
> cheers
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[QGIS-Developer] QGIS-Server telling me 'SSL handshake failed' on Windows

2020-02-20 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde
Hi,

Trying to setup QGIS-Server here on a fresh Windows server.
Machine is (now) behind a web proxy.

Created a project with an external WMST, which succesfully is to be
viewed in QGIS Desktop.

Then running as SERVER I see:

"Download of capabilities failed: SSL handshake failed"

It would be very helpfull if we could log WHICH handshake is failing, as
from that I could see which proxy is actually used.
I use '0' as 'QGIS_SERVER_LOG_FILE'.

I googled around and tried to import all kind of certificates, and or
point to them in QGIS3.ini etc
But I cannot get this project to work.

I am afraid that the proxy is using some self-signed certificate, and
for that reason imported it in the local windows store.

BUT.. is QGIS/Qt actually using that store?
Or does it have it's own certificate store?

Thanks for any pointer.

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde

PS: I only understand half of what I talk about above :-) ... so do not
take me too seriously
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] How to test a processing plugin ?

2020-02-20 Thread Jean-Charles Quillet
Hi Etienne,

Thank you for pointing this. I'll check it out.

I want to write unit tests for my processing algorithm. I'll off course
test the functions of the algorithm itself but that is the easy part.

I was wondering if it was possible to test the integration with QGis itself
and how.

Jean-Charles

Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 10:57, Etienne Trimaille <
etienne.trimai...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> We are writing unit test for our processing algorithms.
>
> Jean-Charles, can you explain your questions? Is-it about how to
> initialize the Processing provider ? on travis, in unittest?
>
> I started a simple one last week on this plugin :
> https://github.com/3liz/qgis-raepa-plugin/blob/master/test/test_processing.py
>
> Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 09:41, Alessandro Pasotti  a
> écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> see:
>> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/tree/master/python/plugins/processing/tests
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:30 AM Jean-Charles Quillet <
>> jeancharles.quil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm currently writing a processing plugin and I was wondering how to
>>> unit test it.
>>>
>>> Is there a well established way of testing plugins ? Is there a template
>>> somewhere I can use to base my tests on ?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>
>>> Jean-Charles
>>>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] How to test a processing plugin ?

2020-02-20 Thread Jean-Charles Quillet
Thank you Alessandro. I'll check this out.

Jean-Charles

Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 09:41, Alessandro Pasotti  a
écrit :

> Hi,
>
> see:
> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/tree/master/python/plugins/processing/tests
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:30 AM Jean-Charles Quillet <
> jeancharles.quil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm currently writing a processing plugin and I was wondering how to unit
>> test it.
>>
>> Is there a well established way of testing plugins ? Is there a template
>> somewhere I can use to base my tests on ?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Jean-Charles
>>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Q-without-GIS

2020-02-20 Thread Paolo Cavallini

Il 2020-02-20 11:46 Raymond Nijssen ha scritto:

Haha, I never heard anyone using QGIS for any work that doesn't have a
map involved. Do you have examples?


sure, plenty of:
* designing od data entry forms (yes, even for an addressbook)
* reports including pictures and tables


But last month I suggested using QGIS for generating the invoices for
the Dutch User Group (as an atlas). Because I didn't know another way
for doing such a job. Besides I thought it would be funny. :)


indeed!
cheers
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QGIS & PostGIS courses: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Q-without-GIS

2020-02-20 Thread Raymond Nijssen
Haha, I never heard anyone using QGIS for any work that doesn't have a 
map involved. Do you have examples?


But last month I suggested using QGIS for generating the invoices for 
the Dutch User Group (as an atlas). Because I didn't know another way 
for doing such a job. Besides I thought it would be funny. :)


Raymond


On 20-02-2020 10:22, Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Hi all,
I'm certainly biased here, but I believe QGIS is now possibly the best 
system for data entry and reporting for a variety of sources, most 
notably PostgreSQL, even for purely alphanumeric data. I'm seeing more 
and more applications where prin layouts are produced without a map, etc.
How feasible would it be to modularize the application, in order to be 
able to use it also without the map canvas and all other geographical 
goodies?

Cheers.

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] How to test a processing plugin ?

2020-02-20 Thread Etienne Trimaille
We are writing unit test for our processing algorithms.

Jean-Charles, can you explain your questions? Is-it about how to initialize
the Processing provider ? on travis, in unittest?

I started a simple one last week on this plugin :
https://github.com/3liz/qgis-raepa-plugin/blob/master/test/test_processing.py

Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 09:41, Alessandro Pasotti  a
écrit :

> Hi,
>
> see:
> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/tree/master/python/plugins/processing/tests
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:30 AM Jean-Charles Quillet <
> jeancharles.quil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm currently writing a processing plugin and I was wondering how to unit
>> test it.
>>
>> Is there a well established way of testing plugins ? Is there a template
>> somewhere I can use to base my tests on ?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Jean-Charles
>>
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[QGIS-Developer] Q-without-GIS

2020-02-20 Thread Paolo Cavallini

Hi all,
I'm certainly biased here, but I believe QGIS is now possibly the best 
system for data entry and reporting for a variety of sources, most 
notably PostgreSQL, even for purely alphanumeric data. I'm seeing more 
and more applications where prin layouts are produced without a map, 
etc.
How feasible would it be to modularize the application, in order to be 
able to use it also without the map canvas and all other geographical 
goodies?

Cheers.
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2020-02-20 Thread noreply

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] How to test a processing plugin ?

2020-02-20 Thread Alessandro Pasotti
Hi,

see:
https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/tree/master/python/plugins/processing/tests

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:30 AM Jean-Charles Quillet <
jeancharles.quil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm currently writing a processing plugin and I was wondering how to unit
> test it.
>
> Is there a well established way of testing plugins ? Is there a template
> somewhere I can use to base my tests on ?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Jean-Charles
>
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[QGIS-Developer] How to test a processing plugin ?

2020-02-20 Thread Jean-Charles Quillet
Hi,

I'm currently writing a processing plugin and I was wondering how to unit
test it.

Is there a well established way of testing plugins ? Is there a template
somewhere I can use to base my tests on ?

Thanks for your help,

Jean-Charles
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