Re: [QGIS-Developer] Download troubles? Download in the background?

[DelazJ via QGIS-Developer]

Hi,

At https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/pull/1184, I made a pull request to
update the "Thank you" text based on Nick's suggestion (basically, put
download info in bold and split whole text in many paragraphs). I do not
feel really comfortable with mentioning support (companies) there, or do I
not find the right formulation...
Whoever feels interested in fixing that part of the issue, the source files
are accessible generally from the "fix me" URL at the bottom of the page or
under https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/tree/master/themes/qgis-theme.

Regards,
Harrissou

Le jeu. 21 sept. 2023 à 15:19, Bourdon, Jean-François (DIF) via
QGIS-Developer  a écrit :

> [image: Intranet logo]
>
> To continue on the topic of donation and support, although I find it
> strange that someone doing a donation is expecting at the same time to
> receive special support (donation != license), maybe a precision should be
> made on the donation page (https://donate.qgis.org/) like:
>
>
>
> “Please note that making a donation doesn’t grant any additional support
> than what can be found at the support page (
> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/support.html). For any specific
> need, you might contact one of the numerous companies offering commercial
> support (
> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/commercial_support.html#qgis-commercial-support)
> .”
>
>
>
> Maybe this same text could be add to the section “What is your benefit
> supporting the QGIS Development?” for the Sustaining Membership Program.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Jean-François Bourdon, ing.f.*
>
> *Analyste en télédétection*
> *Direction des inventaires forestiers*
> *Ministère des Ressources naturelles et des Forêts*
> 5700, 4e Avenue Ouest, local A-108
> Québec (Québec) G1H 6R1
> Téléphone : 418 627-8669, poste 704304
> *jean-francois.bour...@mrnf.gouv.qc.ca
> *
> *mrnf.gouv.qc.ca* 
>
>
>
> *De :* QGIS-Developer  *De la
> part de* Emma Hain via QGIS-Developer
> *Envoyé :* 20 septembre 2023 20:57
> *À :* Nick Bearman 
> *Cc :* qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
> *Objet :* Re: [QGIS-Developer] Download troubles? Download in the
> background?
>
>
>
> I think this looks good Nick, could we also put in a link to the QGIS hub
> page and to where our links to the users groups are so that sorta provides
> some 'support'.
>
> Sorta off topic:
>
> I recently got contacted by someone letting me know they donated so they
> could get support - they thought I was the help desk for QGIS...Maybe this
> is an indication of some UX/UI is required to send people to our support
> pages???
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Em
>
>
>
> On Thu, 21 Sept 2023 at 01:07, Nick Bearman via QGIS-Developer <
> qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks for highlighting this Andreas.
>
> If I might suggest a tweak to the popup layout:
>
> Thank you!
>
> Your freshly baked copy of QGIS is downloading. (Make this line bold and
> add a paragraph before the next bit)
>
> QGIS is free of charge, and will always be free of charge if downloaded
> from QGIS.org. (and another break here)
>
> If you can afford to support the project and people making this software,
> please consider making a small donation to support our efforts. Whether you
> choose to donate or not, we hope that you enjoy using our labour of love
> and encourage you to share and spread your downloaded copy far and wide so
> that others may enjoy it too. Our very best regards!
>
> The QGIS Team
>
> This might make it a bit more obvious. What do you think?
>
> (I will leave those who are more technical than me to discuss download
> speed issues).
>
> Best wishes,
> Nick.
>
> On 9/20/23 08:19, Johannes Kröger (WhereGroup) via QGIS-Developer wrote:
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> ouch!
>
> Javascript is not required for the download. If it is disabled, all OS
> options are expanded and the big green buttons directly point to the files
> anyways. The "donate" popup is only triggered in addition to the normal
> link click (if javascript is enabled).
>
> If the users really just not realise that a download has started, maybe
> making the text that says that QGIS is being downloaded bold on the
> "donate" popup might help? The popup might just be too intrusive and
> distracting even.
>
> Some sites use images to point their users towards the browser's download
> manager, maybe there is a freely available library that does this for all
> kinds of browsers and screens?
>
> Downloads are often painfully slow though and might even time out in bad
> cases I guess. Having some more/faster download mirrors might help. The
> osgeo.org mirror is often unusable (I think it is that mirror that most
> often causes issues, norbit.de usually seems fine for me - from Germany
> though...). Here is one story of a user in South Korea:
> https://fosstodon.org/@ianthetechie/110943928875054838
>
> Maybe users see super slow or failing downloads and think that it is a
> matter of donation.
>
> I am aware of download.osgeo.org and norbit.de mirrors, are 

Re: [QGIS-Developer] Download troubles? Download in the background?

[DIF]

[Intranet logo]
To continue on the topic of donation and support, although I find it strange 
that someone doing a donation is expecting at the same time to receive special 
support (donation != license), maybe a precision should be made on the donation 
page (https://donate.qgis.org/) like:

"Please note that making a donation doesn't grant any additional support than 
what can be found at the support page 
(https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/support.html). For any specific need, 
you might contact one of the numerous companies offering commercial support 
(https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/commercial_support.html#qgis-commercial-support)."

Maybe this same text could be add to the section "What is your benefit 
supporting the QGIS Development?" for the Sustaining Membership Program.



Jean-François Bourdon, ing.f.
Analyste en télédétection
Direction des inventaires forestiers
Ministère des Ressources naturelles et des Forêts
5700, 4e Avenue Ouest, local A-108
Québec (Québec) G1H 6R1
Téléphone : 418 627-8669, poste 704304
jean-francois.bour...@mrnf.gouv.qc.ca
mrnf.gouv.qc.ca

De : QGIS-Developer  De la part de Emma 
Hain via QGIS-Developer
Envoyé : 20 septembre 2023 20:57
À : Nick Bearman 
Cc : qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
Objet : Re: [QGIS-Developer] Download troubles? Download in the background?

I think this looks good Nick, could we also put in a link to the QGIS hub page 
and to where our links to the users groups are so that sorta provides some 
'support'.
Sorta off topic:
I recently got contacted by someone letting me know they donated so they could 
get support - they thought I was the help desk for QGIS...Maybe this is an 
indication of some UX/UI is required to send people to our support pages???

Cheers
Em

On Thu, 21 Sept 2023 at 01:07, Nick Bearman via QGIS-Developer 
mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:

Thanks for highlighting this Andreas.

If I might suggest a tweak to the popup layout:

Thank you!

Your freshly baked copy of QGIS is downloading. (Make this line bold and add a 
paragraph before the next bit)

QGIS is free of charge, and will always be free of charge if downloaded from 
QGIS.org. (and another break here)

If you can afford to support the project and people making this software, 
please consider making a small donation to support our efforts. Whether you 
choose to donate or not, we hope that you enjoy using our labour of love and 
encourage you to share and spread your downloaded copy far and wide so that 
others may enjoy it too. Our very best regards!

The QGIS Team

This might make it a bit more obvious. What do you think?

(I will leave those who are more technical than me to discuss download speed 
issues).

Best wishes,
Nick.
On 9/20/23 08:19, Johannes Kröger (WhereGroup) via QGIS-Developer wrote:

Hi Andreas,

ouch!

Javascript is not required for the download. If it is disabled, all OS options 
are expanded and the big green buttons directly point to the files anyways. The 
"donate" popup is only triggered in addition to the normal link click (if 
javascript is enabled).

If the users really just not realise that a download has started, maybe making 
the text that says that QGIS is being downloaded bold on the "donate" popup 
might help? The popup might just be too intrusive and distracting even.

Some sites use images to point their users towards the browser's download 
manager, maybe there is a freely available library that does this for all kinds 
of browsers and screens?

Downloads are often painfully slow though and might even time out in bad cases 
I guess. Having some more/faster download mirrors might help. The 
osgeo.org mirror is often unusable (I think it is that 
mirror that most often causes issues, norbit.de usually 
seems fine for me - from Germany though...). Here is one story of a user in 
South Korea: https://fosstodon.org/@ianthetechie/110943928875054838

Maybe users see super slow or failing downloads and think that it is a matter 
of donation.

I am aware of download.osgeo.org and 
norbit.de mirrors, are there more? It would probably be a 
good idea to have one in Asia and maybe one in Africa, depending on the 
routing. At least for Asia OVH has cheap offers that might just be good enough.

PS, if a CDN (probably overkill) would be considered: I am strongly against 
using Cloudflare as they are a global surveillance opportunity for the US and 
we would all be stupid not to assume that any traffic going through them is 
logged by three letter agencies. We should not participate in that kind of 
centralisation. There are alternatives like 
https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/cloudflare . I would happily 
research a good choice.



Could you try to find out more details about why they get so confused?

Cheers, Hannes


Am 20.09.23 um 08:50 schrieb Andreas 

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] QGIS 3D and Graphics Card Requirements

[Martin Dobias via QGIS-Developer]

Hey Luke

Low end graphics cards should work fine as well. If your coworker could not
run 3D on his laptop, it could have been some other problem - it would be
good to have more details (hardware spec, operating system, in what way
things did not work) so that we can fix such issues. For example, my laptop
has 2GB of GPU memory and things work just fine. So both of the suggested
graphics cards should give you much more power for QGIS 3D than you would
normally need.

Cheers
Martin


On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 11:20 PM Catania, Luke A ERDC-RDE-GRL-VA CIV via
QGIS-Developer  wrote:

> Anyone out there working with QGIS 3D?
>
>
>
> I am looking to get a new Dell laptop with i9 processor and 64GB memory
> and wondering what the minimum requirements for working with QGIS 3D is.  I
> had a coworker who could not run 3D on his laptop assume due to his lower
> end graphics card.  I don’t offhand know what the spec’s on his machine are.
>
>
>
> I am looking at a Dell 7780 or 7680 with either *NVIDIA RTX 5000 Ada 16GB
> GDDR6 video card *or the* RTX 4000 Ada* *12GB GDDR6 video card.*
>
>
>
> Wondering if the higher end card buys me much better performance and is
> worth the hit on battery life.
>
>
>
> Luke
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] QGIS 3D and Graphics Card Requirements

[Jean Felder via QGIS-Developer]

Hi Luke,

The higher end card should indeed give you better performance.

However, there is a hard coded limit in QGIS 3D at the moment. A 3D 
scene cannot load more than 500 Mo of 3D objects even if you video card 
has a lot of available memory when the 3D scene is created.
The idea is to avoid out of memory crashes or GPU hangs. For example, a 
lot a 3D scenes could be loaded or other program may consume some gpu ram.


Benoît de Mezzo and I have been trying to remove this limit but the code 
is not ready yet.


Cheers,

Jean

Le 20/09/2023 à 23:18, Catania, Luke A ERDC-RDE-GRL-VA CIV via 
QGIS-Developer a écrit :


Anyone out there working with QGIS 3D?

I am looking to get a new Dell laptop with i9 processor and 64GB 
memory and wondering what the minimum requirements for working with 
QGIS 3D is.  I had a coworker who could not run 3D on his laptop 
assume due to his lower end graphics card.  I don’t offhand know what 
the spec’s on his machine are.


I am looking at a Dell 7780 or 7680 with either *NVIDIA RTX 5000 Ada 
16GB GDDR6 video card *or the*RTX 4000 Ada* *12GB GDDR6 video card.*


**

Wondering if the higher end card buys me much better performance and 
is worth the hit on battery life.


**

Luke


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