Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 24/05/2013 07:36, Ziegler Stefan ha scritto: Hi I do have exactly the same problem. E.g. I almost cannot see any difference between the WMS/WCS/WFS icons except on a very tiny part of the icons whereas the old icons were easy to distinguish. But this is perhaps I'm getting old... and I got used to the old icons. I guess I will not learn the icons but just the position I can find them. As far as I remember there was a poll once with the result to use the new icons as default. I also found that long time users find quite irritating being forced to switch. IMHO, better keep both. All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGfCJkACgkQ/NedwLUzIr7ufgCgq3WnVN6/A8l9xMh6vij7xIZM xuIAnRFf/R3Q77I6ESrjvc0ULBiA0j2H =laRU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi, It's good time now to add colours to similar sets (like open * layer). Waiting for proposals... with short description of your associations. Robert On 24.05.2013 08:28, Paolo Cavallini wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 24/05/2013 07:36, Ziegler Stefan ha scritto: Hi I do have exactly the same problem. E.g. I almost cannot see any difference between the WMS/WCS/WFS icons except on a very tiny part of the icons whereas the old icons were easy to distinguish. But this is perhaps I'm getting old... and I got used to the old icons. I guess I will not learn the icons but just the position I can find them. As far as I remember there was a poll once with the result to use the new icons as default. I also found that long time users find quite irritating being forced to switch. IMHO, better keep both. All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGfCJkACgkQ/NedwLUzIr7ufgCgq3WnVN6/A8l9xMh6vij7xIZM xuIAnRFf/R3Q77I6ESrjvc0ULBiA0j2H =laRU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
+1 i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. Jonathan On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it wrote: that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
I would like to ask the powers that be to keep the old and trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite uplifting. The new set may be technically better but is not as friendly to users. Please keep both. Duarte De: Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk] Enviada: sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59 Para: skampus Cc: qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Assunto: Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read +1 i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. Jonathan On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.itmailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it wrote: that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi! -1 for keeping the old Icons.. I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid of them afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different sets of icons .. And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it does indeed make sense to use it probably in every open source GIS .. I know that the first time might be hard but thats just the usual human behaviour of refusing new things. But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a very long time (to use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find everything at once but rather have some kind of problems when I switch to the old ones.. So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset within a few days .. Its just human that every more work you have to do gets refused at first regardless of the advatnages it might bring later So maybe for a period of migration Id leave the old icons inside but definitely not for 2.1 or later .. OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion kind regards Werner On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira dcarre...@edia.pt wrote: I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the old and trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite uplifting. The new set may be technically better but is not as friendly to users. ** ** Please keep both. ** ** Duarte ** ** *De:* Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk] *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59 *Para:* skampus *Cc:* qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org *Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read ** ** +1 ** ** i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. ** ** ** ** Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. ** ** ** ** I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ ** ** The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. ** ** Jonathan ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it wrote:* *** that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com.* *** ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi, -1. I agree with Werner. Having used the gis icon set for many months, I have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human mind works. Let's improve the gis icons where it makes sense but let us focus or work on one set. Best wishes, Anita On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Werner Macho werner.ma...@gmail.comwrote: Hi! -1 for keeping the old Icons.. I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid of them afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different sets of icons .. And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it does indeed make sense to use it probably in every open source GIS .. I know that the first time might be hard but thats just the usual human behaviour of refusing new things. But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a very long time (to use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find everything at once but rather have some kind of problems when I switch to the old ones.. So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset within a few days .. Its just human that every more work you have to do gets refused at first regardless of the advatnages it might bring later So maybe for a period of migration Id leave the old icons inside but definitely not for 2.1 or later .. OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion kind regards Werner On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira dcarre...@edia.ptwrote: I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the old and trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite uplifting. The new set may be technically better but is not as friendly to users. Please keep both. Duarte *De:* Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk] *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59 *Para:* skampus *Cc:* qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org *Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read +1 i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. Jonathan On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it wrote: that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi, I fully agree with Werner and Anita. gis theme is consistent, clear and looks much better then old icons. Maybe all we need is only some small improvements in color scheme as suggested by Robert. So, -1 for keeping old icons. 2013/5/24, Anita Graser anitagra...@gmx.at: Hi, -1. I agree with Werner. Having used the gis icon set for many months, I have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human mind works. Let's improve the gis icons where it makes sense but let us focus or work on one set. Best wishes, Anita -- Alexander Bruy ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi Jonathan, You are right. Problem with new icons is that we have started with some idea (add raster, vector, PostgreSQL layer) and end up with several icons of the same type. First three icons are different, however have too many elements. Next are worse, and Oracle and others wait for more general problem solution. What are the options from my point of view (just layer toolbar)? 1. We could remove green plus leaving the others (yellow star and red minus). This will give some more space to increase symbol size. 2. Remove 'layer' symbol, but in this case 'create vector layer' will be identical to 'create vector' in edit toolbar. But considering toolbar context is could be OK. Definitely we should remove 'layer' from WMS, WFS and similar. 3. Due to variety of database formats replace them with clones of database logo. All changes are possible, but after general agreement. We can do it now or after QGIS 2.0 release. regards, Robert On 24.05.2013 10:59, Jonathan Moules wrote: +1 i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. Jonathan On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it mailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it wrote: that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
Agree as well with Werner and Anita. It is just matter of a short adaptation period. Ciao On 05/24/2013 01:34 PM, Anita Graser wrote: Hi, -1. I agree with Werner. Having used the gis icon set for many months, I have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human mind works. Let's improve the gis icons where it makes sense but let us focus or work on one set. Best wishes, Anita On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Werner Macho werner.ma...@gmail.com mailto:werner.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! -1 for keeping the old Icons.. I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid of them afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different sets of icons .. And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it does indeed make sense to use it probably in every open source GIS .. I know that the first time might be hard but thats just the usual human behaviour of refusing new things. But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a very long time (to use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find everything at once but rather have some kind of problems when I switch to the old ones.. So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset within a few days .. Its just human that every more work you have to do gets refused at first regardless of the advatnages it might bring later So maybe for a period of migration Id leave the old icons inside but definitely not for 2.1 or later .. OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion kind regards Werner On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira dcarre...@edia.pt mailto:dcarre...@edia.pt wrote: I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the old and trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite uplifting. The new set may be technically better but is not as friendly to users. Please keep both. Duarte *De:*Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk] *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59 *Para:* skampus *Cc:* qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org *Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read +1 i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. Jonathan On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it mailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it wrote: that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi Marco, I'm afraid I respectfully disagree. A short adaptation period won't make the icons more obvious. I'm not a big QGIS user. If I want to use /any/ function in QGIS, I have to stare at the icons and use the tooltips to figure out what button does what, so I'm not adapted to the 1.8 set, let alone the 2.x ones. That said, when I look at the 2.0 set what I see is many icons that are almost identical. Any icon that is only ~3% different from its neighbour (i.e. the database ones) is never going to be any good for its purpose. I'd imagine people with a visual impairment may struggle even more. Also remember, not all users navigate by knowing where the buttons are (in fact, most don't). For those users you *have* to have a good set of icons that are easily differentiated at a glance. I think colour would be a start, but the designs themselves are still too similar. I think resolving this in time for the 2.x release makes sense. Otherwise those who do learn these icons will have to re-learn them for 2.1. It doesn't make sense to change something as fundamental as the iconography twice in as many releases. Just my 2p. Kind Regards, Jonathan On 24 May 2013 13:23, Marco Bernasocchi ma...@bernawebdesign.ch wrote: Agree as well with Werner and Anita. It is just matter of a short adaptation period. Ciao On 05/24/2013 01:34 PM, Anita Graser wrote: Hi, -1. I agree with Werner. Having used the gis icon set for many months, I have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human mind works. Let's improve the gis icons where it makes sense but let us focus or work on one set. Best wishes, Anita On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Werner Macho werner.ma...@gmail.com mailto:werner.ma...@gmail.com** wrote: Hi! -1 for keeping the old Icons.. I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid of them afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different sets of icons .. And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it does indeed make sense to use it probably in every open source GIS .. I know that the first time might be hard but thats just the usual human behaviour of refusing new things. But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a very long time (to use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find everything at once but rather have some kind of problems when I switch to the old ones.. So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset within a few days .. Its just human that every more work you have to do gets refused at first regardless of the advatnages it might bring later So maybe for a period of migration Id leave the old icons inside but definitely not for 2.1 or later .. OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion kind regards Werner On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira dcarre...@edia.pt mailto:dcarre...@edia.pt wrote: I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the old and trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite uplifting. The new set may be technically better but is not as friendly to users. Please keep both. Duarte *De:*Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmoules@**warwickshire.gov.ukjonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk mailto:jonathanmoules@**warwickshire.gov.ukjonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk ] *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59 *Para:* skampus *Cc:* qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.**org qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:qgis-developer@lists.**osgeo.orgqgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org *Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read +1 i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/**cookbook/icon_design/10_** mistakes_in_icon_design/http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. Jonathan On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.campus@regione.**piemonte.itstefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it mailto:stefano.campus@**regione.piemonte.itstefano.cam
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
. Duarte *De:*Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathanmoules@__warwickshire.gov.uk mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk mailto:jonathanmoules@__warwickshire.gov.uk mailto:jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk] *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59 *Para:* skampus *Cc:* qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.__org mailto:qgis-u...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:qgis-developer@lists.__osgeo.org mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org *Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read +1 i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/__cookbook/icon_design/10___mistakes_in_icon_design/ http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. Jonathan On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.campus@regione.__piemonte.it mailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it mailto:stefano.campus@__regione.piemonte.it mailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it wrote: that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.__nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-__Icons-difficult-to-read-__tp5055427p5055467.html http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.__osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/__mailman/listinfo/qgis-__developer http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. _ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.__osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/__mailman/listinfo/qgis-__developer http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer _ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.__osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/__mailman/listinfo/qgis-__developer http://lists.osgeo.org
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 24/05/2013 17:42, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto: I'm along the lines of Werner, Anita, Marco... The new gis icon set looks much more professional than the old icon set and the look of the icon set actually gives the software a whole different look. So please let's focus on making the gis icon theme better. The old version gets a big -1 from me. Sorry I was unclear. I agree that the new theme must be the default, and our efforts must focus on this one. What I think our users will not like it being *forced* to change. Leaving the old theme does not cost us anything, and would be a favour to the many who, understandably or not, do not like the change. All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGfkXEACgkQ/NedwLUzIr72fACfciPn0mHjN0CKbkJZgCm9U3mt eEEAoJVe382A8sr7/IfbQ5IP6KjT6C5R =oWdS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
+1 with Paolo I prefer the new default qgis icon set, but I do not understand why we need to remove the other icon sets, as long as the qgis theme is the new default one. 2013/5/24 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 24/05/2013 17:42, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto: I'm along the lines of Werner, Anita, Marco... The new gis icon set looks much more professional than the old icon set and the look of the icon set actually gives the software a whole different look. So please let's focus on making the gis icon theme better. The old version gets a big -1 from me. Sorry I was unclear. I agree that the new theme must be the default, and our efforts must focus on this one. What I think our users will not like it being *forced* to change. Leaving the old theme does not cost us anything, and would be a favour to the many who, understandably or not, do not like the change. All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGfkXEACgkQ/NedwLUzIr72fACfciPn0mHjN0CKbkJZgCm9U3mt eEEAoJVe382A8sr7/IfbQ5IP6KjT6C5R =oWdS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi, On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:10 AM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: +1 with Paolo I prefer the new default qgis icon set, but I do not understand why we need to remove the other icon sets, as long as the qgis theme is the new default one. A big -1 for the project maintaining 2 themes. If the old default is not maintained with distinctly different icons (it hasn't been for a while) then it only presents more hodge-podge-looking design for the project to end users. If something ships with the final release package, it should be maintained. IMO, the old default theme is not maintained (and looks like it), therefore it should not ship, and no more energy should be wasted on maintaining it. This is similar to the decision to focus on only master branch and release the app from it, instead of maintaining multiple version branches with backports. It really comes down to streamlining the whole release process and providing a quality app, all with limited development resources, instead of trying to be everything to all users. Using that paradigm, maintaining a second, defunct theme just doesn't seem reasonable. I do think the multi-theme code should be left, so third-party devs or users can use their own themes, but this does mean those users need to recompile the app. (Current theme support does not allow run-time switching of the theme, even after a restart.) A big +1 for only focusing on fixing the current issues with the new default theme, AND extending the GUI/string freeze until it is ready for 2.0 release (though the hard feature/API freeze should happen really soon). Towards that move-forward-only goal, and given the obvious time constraints, I propose the following: 1) List all icons on a single wiki page - Something similar was started back in 2011 [0]. Just updating that page should work. This means all icons in main image.qrc and for core plugins that have their own .qrc files. 2) Comment on specific icons or groups of icons - Everyone puts their comments on that wiki page, hopefully in a constructive and timely manner (within the next 3-5 days?). 3) Fix a subset of icons for 2.0 - Once problem icons are identified, fix the most problematic ones for 2.0 release. This does mean that some more icons will later change on 2.1 release (to update all of the theme), but no icon should change at both releases, especially the core, main interface icons. Using this method, Robert, and anyone helping him, can focus directly on what needs fixed, and prioritize those fixes for a 2.0 release. [0] http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/17/Icons_20 Regards, Larry 2013/5/24 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 24/05/2013 17:42, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto: I'm along the lines of Werner, Anita, Marco... The new gis icon set looks much more professional than the old icon set and the look of the icon set actually gives the software a whole different look. So please let's focus on making the gis icon theme better. The old version gets a big -1 from me. Sorry I was unclear. I agree that the new theme must be the default, and our efforts must focus on this one. What I think our users will not like it being *forced* to change. Leaving the old theme does not cost us anything, and would be a favour to the many who, understandably or not, do not like the change. All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGfkXEACgkQ/NedwLUzIr72fACfciPn0mHjN0CKbkJZgCm9U3mt eEEAoJVe382A8sr7/IfbQ5IP6KjT6C5R =oWdS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
