Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
+1 to Logo design committee. +1 to Winner to Larry so we can keep the money :-). I read the we are using QGIS instead of Quantum GIS now. I think we should focus on designing a logo on Q now. Gary Sherman uses the arrow in the Logo. And Tim likes abstract. I was inspired with Nathan posting on git logo. Although, I thought that I seen similar logo before. The git logo is similar to USB logo. Going back to Gary S. arrow, Tim liking of abstract and Nathan git logo liking, I decided draw a QGIS Logo. I always like this dynamic arrow. I got 2 designs; 1). 3 dynamic arrows + smaller one. 2). 2 dynamic arrows + smaller one. The dynamic arrow represents (dynamic) / moving, progressing, evolving, etc. just like QGIS is evolving! These logos give tribute to Gary Sherman original Q logo with an arrow. I am not saying that we should pick one of these logo. (I like the 3 dynamic arrows). What I am saying that we should design a abstract logo based on Q. However, I would be happy if we can use this concepts - dynamic arrows and improve the designs. You can view the 2 logo designs and icon representation (below URL) https://picasaweb.google.com/116847891529748214201/QGIS_Logo#5879960654900104018 Thanks. Regards, Noli ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
On 05/20/2013 01:18 AM, Nathan Woodrow wrote: +1 from me to have some kind of design committee. So the committee so far for me: - Larry - Anita - Nyall - Mathieu what about Robert Szczepanek? IIRC he is the one that did most of the icons. I think it's best to keep it small or else we end up back in this situation again Ciao -- Marco Bernasocchi ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Here's new render of the Q logo (i.e. arrows) https://picasaweb.google.com/116847891529748214201/QGIS_Logo# Thanks. Noli ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
On 05/20/2013 11:37 AM, Noli Sicad wrote: Here's new render of the Q logo (i.e. arrows) https://picasaweb.google.com/116847891529748214201/QGIS_Logo# Thanks. Noli ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer there was a similar logo in the competition IIRC and was dismissed because the 3 arrows metaphoirically remember the recicling logo. ciao -- Marco Bernasocchi http://opengis.ch ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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Now, looking the standard dynamic arrows. Yes. it looks like the recycling logo :-). However, the one render by ballpen does not. Now, the challenge is how can we create a good Q logo Noli On 5/20/13, Marco Bernasocchi ma...@bernawebdesign.ch wrote: On 05/20/2013 11:37 AM, Noli Sicad wrote: Here's new render of the Q logo (i.e. arrows) https://picasaweb.google.com/116847891529748214201/QGIS_Logo# Thanks. Noli ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer there was a similar logo in the competition IIRC and was dismissed because the 3 arrows metaphoirically remember the recicling logo. ciao -- Marco Bernasocchi http://opengis.ch ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Yes, I guess we can't use the 3 arrows. https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=ensite=imghptbm=ischsource=hpbiw=1343bih=622q=recyclingoq=recyclinggs_l=img.3..0l10.2312.5769.0.6030.13.11.1.1.1.2.634.2235.2j4j2j1j0j1.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.14.img.uF_GqfTjgtI But probably 2 or 1 arrow. Have a look at the new ballpen renders (1 and 2 arrows Q logos). https://picasaweb.google.com/116847891529748214201/QGIS_Logo Thanks, Noli On 5/20/13, Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com wrote: Now, looking the standard dynamic arrows. Yes. it looks like the recycling logo :-). However, the one render by ballpen does not. Now, the challenge is how can we create a good Q logo Noli On 5/20/13, Marco Bernasocchi ma...@bernawebdesign.ch wrote: On 05/20/2013 11:37 AM, Noli Sicad wrote: Here's new render of the Q logo (i.e. arrows) https://picasaweb.google.com/116847891529748214201/QGIS_Logo# Thanks. Noli ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer there was a similar logo in the competition IIRC and was dismissed because the 3 arrows metaphoirically remember the recicling logo. ciao -- Marco Bernasocchi http://opengis.ch ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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+1 from me to have some kind of design committee. If we don't focus on this area of the project in the near future I feel it will always reflect an amateur project status, and as we all know that is not the case. Provided we have a mailing list that we can see what is going on and have some input if we feel then I'm all for that kind of thing. I'm happy for Larry to be on said committee regardless of his work on the logo comp. Anita would also get my vote. Nyall would also be another person I would like to see added as he has some skills in this area. Mathieu (nIRV) is another. So the committee so far for me: - Larry - Anita - Nyall - Mathieu I think it's best to keep it small or else we end up back in this situation again. The current situation is that we HAVE to pick a design from the logo comp and pay the winner regardless of if we use that logo or not. 99design rules not mine. If everyone is currently not 100% happy with what has been presented I suggest that we pick one of Larry's, give him the money, and ramp up the committee to design something better. I would rather see the money go to one of our devs if we are not happy so the money stays with the project and we can keep working on it. I will send an email to PSC asking for a vote on this and if I get all +1s then I will pick Larry as the winner so we can all move on and not have this hanging above our heads. Regards, Nathan On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote: Hi On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote: Hi On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote: Hi I have to say when I compare them to our existing logo, none of them really do it for me. Perhaps we need a new mandate to freshen our exisiting logo rather than to try to create something new. Our current logo may have issues but it is: --snip 8 - Sorry, again, but I think the current logo falls far short of those goals, and any focus on revamping it is just prolonging the inevitable decision to move to a better one. Just to clarify - I am not opposed to replacing the logo at all. I just want to replace it with something that properly addresses our needs rather than taking an option we are not happy with simply because of the 99designs competition deadline. Currently there isn't an entry in my opinion that does this - for me anyway. I agree 100% that a logo should not be settled upon, but happily selected, regardless of any competition deadline. It's a very important decision. I have a couple of ideas to overcome the current impasse: 1) Run off - Currently there seems to be two popular designs, but a general consensus that neither is the 'right' one. There could be a short-term 'run off' competition that allows those two designers to try and come up with better designs, in an attempt to find a good solution for 2.0 release. Again, this should not mean the result has to be binding, i.e. the winner's logo used. 2) Use current logo - For 2.0 release, just use the current logo, as is. After 2.0 release, I suggest the forming of an design committee to manage another go at finding a new logo, and for the reasons mentioned below. 3) Design committee - Kudos to Nathan for his efforts on the competition and getting everyone involved in the process. In retrospect I think a logo by popular consensus, as a means of getting to final logo selections, may not be the best course of action. In many organizations there are people with design background or knowledge who work on making the initial selections to bring to the community or those who make decisions. For example, the popular #50 has a inherent design flaw of being 95% black, even though the rest of the design is OK. Such a committee could have spotted this early on and asked the designer to work on a fix, before the logo was presented to the community/PSC to vote on. I suggest such a committee be formed and comprised of 3-5 people who's job is to manage and make initial decisions on: * Project logo, design style, fonts * Marketing material design style * Documentation/web site template style and fonts * Program's general icons, toolbar icons, splash screen and style A design committee will allow a cohesive 'look' for all parts of the project to start taking shape. The committee should probably answer to and be under the purview of the PSC marketing advisor, and have specific abilities bestowed upon it members to vote internally to act on smaller decisions without needing full PSC approval. Basically, I feel design by community popular vote is not a good approach: too many
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Hi, On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: +1 from me to have some kind of design committee. If we don't focus on this area of the project in the near future I feel it will always reflect an amateur project status, and as we all know that is not the case. Provided we have a mailing list that we can see what is going on and have some input if we feel then I'm all for that kind of thing. I'm happy for Larry to be on said committee regardless of his work on the logo comp. Anita would also get my vote. Nyall would also be another person I would like to see added as he has some skills in this area. Mathieu (nIRV) is another. So the committee so far for me: - Larry - Anita - Nyall - Mathieu I think it's best to keep it small or else we end up back in this situation again. The current situation is that we HAVE to pick a design from the logo comp and pay the winner regardless of if we use that logo or not. 99design rules not mine. If everyone is currently not 100% happy with what has been presented I suggest that we pick one of Larry's, give him the money, and ramp up the committee to design something better. I would rather see the money go to one of our devs if we are not happy so the money stays with the project and we can keep working on it. I will send an email to PSC asking for a vote on this and if I get all +1s then I will pick Larry as the winner so we can all move on and not have this hanging above our heads. I have no problem ostensibly being labeled the winner. Under the circumstances, though, I would feel a bit odd accepting any money, regardless of whether I'd just turn around and use it to offset development hours. I think the best thing is to leave the funds with the project and have it pay forward to a final logo solution. Not sure if 99designs.comrequires or tracks transactions, but if so, I'd be happy to accept the funds to my PayPal account and donate it right back to the project. Concerning the proposed design committee, I see those people as more of a 'filter,' as Tim mentioned, whose perspective is design-oriented, not necessarily those who come up with a logo design. I think another contest or large-scale submission would probably occur to arrive at some final designs again. Hopefully, future designers can somehow still reference the submissions from this contest, so we don't end up with a whole bunch of similar designs the community already feels don't work. +1 for leaving logo as is for 2.0, focusing on the release, then trying to find a new logo and icon again, ideally for 2.1. Regards, Larry Regards, Nathan -- snip --- 8- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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2013/5/18 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com +1 from me too. This has been the feedback I have had from users and hence the reason that I started that comp. Personally I like the cut out look that the new git logo has now http://git-scm.com/downloads/logos +1 I would like to see something in between the first and the last in #394, I mean, I like the look of the first #394 (and #50) but the lower right triangle of the Q should be more pronounced (but not as much as in the last #394). -- Alessandro Pasotti w3: www.itopen.it ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
To me this is the look that I like [0] [1] [0] https://www.dropbox.com/s/okpdl3vvs9o25na/logo-nw-word.png [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/mqshl3pxhdlz47d/logo-nw.png Following the git logo style. - Nathan On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Alessandro Pasotti apaso...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/5/18 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com +1 from me too. This has been the feedback I have had from users and hence the reason that I started that comp. Personally I like the cut out look that the new git logo has now http://git-scm.com/downloads/logos +1 I would like to see something in between the first and the last in #394, I mean, I like the look of the first #394 (and #50) but the lower right triangle of the Q should be more pronounced (but not as much as in the last #394). -- Alessandro Pasotti w3: www.itopen.it ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
So Quantum should NOT be part of the branding? I'm not saying either way - but one part of the debate I have not seen discussed (missed it?) is whether the brand we want to market is QGIS, Quantum GIS or both. If we can decide on that aspect, deciding on the logo may be easier. Cheers Brent Wood --- On Sat, 5/18/13, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick To: Alessandro Pasotti apaso...@gmail.com Cc: qgis-developer qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Date: Saturday, May 18, 2013, 7:28 PM To me this is the look that I like [0] [1] [0] https://www.dropbox.com/s/okpdl3vvs9o25na/logo-nw-word.png [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/mqshl3pxhdlz47d/logo-nw.png Following the git logo style. - Nathan On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Alessandro Pasotti apaso...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/5/18 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com +1 from me too. This has been the feedback I have had from users and hence the reason that I started that comp. Personally I like the cut out look that the new git logo has now http://git-scm.com/downloads/logos +1 I would like to see something in between the first and the last in #394, I mean, I like the look of the first #394 (and #50) but the lower right triangle of the Q should be more pronounced (but not as much as in the last #394). -- Alessandro Pasotti w3: www.itopen.it -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
I'd make the Q more unique though. It's why I like the concept of #50: it's clean, it's memorable and it refers to the old recognizable colour and arrow. Anway, I don't claim #50 is good as the final work. Dnia sobota, 18 maja 2013 o 09:28:42 Nathan Woodrow napisał(a): To me this is the look that I like [0] [1] [0] https://www.dropbox.com/s/okpdl3vvs9o25na/logo-nw-word.png [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/mqshl3pxhdlz47d/logo-nw.png Following the git logo style. - Nathan On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Alessandro Pasotti apaso...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/5/18 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com +1 from me too. This has been the feedback I have had from users and hence the reason that I started that comp. Personally I like the cut out look that the new git logo has now http://git-scm.com/downloads/logos +1 I would like to see something in between the first and the last in #394, I mean, I like the look of the first #394 (and #50) but the lower right triangle of the Q should be more pronounced (but not as much as in the last #394). -- Alessandro Pasotti w3: www.itopen.it ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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On 05/18/2013 09:45 AM, pcr...@pcreso.com wrote: I'm not saying either way - but one part of the debate I have not seen discussed (missed it?) is whether the brand we want to market is QGIS, Quantum GIS or both. If we can decide on that aspect, deciding on the logo may be easier. IIRC that has been decided. No more Quantum. ciao -- Marco Bernasocchi http://opengis.ch ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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Hi On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote: Hi I have to say when I compare them to our existing logo, none of them really do it for me. Perhaps we need a new mandate to freshen our exisiting logo rather than to try to create something new. Our current logo may have issues but it is: * distinctive * bright * clear * recognisable * already has a strong association with our 'brand' If the new logo does not meet these or in some way offer an improvement over the old, we should rather focus on tweaking what we already have. Ignoring the current contest and whether any of those designs work, I personally think the current logo's look is unprofessional enough to actually be considered a detriment to the project at this point. While that may seem like a strong statement, I think difficult decisions, like abandoning the old logo and going for a more modern and professional look, need to be made if QGIS is really going to have a chance to directly compete with the likes of ESRI and other commercial products in the enterprise, institutional or governmental workplace. I do think QGIS 2.0 has a chance to make great inroads into such areas, but the project needs to win over those users. Whether we, as open source developers, like it or not marketing is a key factor. First impressions are often greatly influenced by such things as logos. Sorry to say, but I think the current logo may unfortunately convey the following to users in the enterprise, institutional or governmental workplace: amateur. After spending quite a bit of time 'under the hood' I can honestly say the programming comprising QGIS is anything but amateur. It is very high quality and painstakingly well thought out and implemented. I strive every time I write code to meet those criteria. Not only do I think the project's logo needs to meet the expectations of an ever-expanding number of existing and potential users, I also believe it needs to do justice to the quantity and quality of the work done by so many devoted developers and testers, and to those who support the project, either financially, via the community or by providing user services. Sorry, again, but I think the current logo falls far short of those goals, and any focus on revamping it is just prolonging the inevitable decision to move to a better one. Just to clarify - I am not opposed to replacing the logo at all. I just want to replace it with something that properly addresses our needs rather than taking an option we are not happy with simply because of the 99designs competition deadline. Currently there isn't an entry in my opinion that does this - for me anyway. Regards Tim Best regards, Larry Regards Tim On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net wrote: Hi, In #336 and #338 I really like the three hands from differents parts of the world. It is a nice symbol of our collaboration around the world - developers, community managers and users. It may be too detailed at smaller sizes. But for smaller sizes one could omit the GIS part and use just the Q with the globe and the three hands. From the ones that are in the final voting, these are my favourites. I also like #399 and #400 for the simplicity and the usage of just one color - which opens ways for various brandings (e.g. server, desktop, mobile, etc.) Andreas On Tue, 14 May 2013 16:03:29 +1000, Nathan Woodrow wrote: Hey all, There is now a poll on the logo site http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952 [1]. We need to pick a design that we like, or at least something that would like to extend further. Please vote and leave any comments. At the moment we only have 2 days. I will ask for a few more days, but act like we only have two days. P.S Sorry I would have done this early I have just been busy with work and uni. Regards, Nathan Links: -- [1] http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952 -- -- Andreas Neumann Böschacherstrasse 10A 8624 Grüt (Gossau ZH) Switzerland ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming and support services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 18/05/2013 18:25, antoniolocandro ha scritto: QGIS is an awesome software but it gets less attention due to the branding around it and marketing, a better logo is needed, a better modern website, complete branding and finally some active marketing. Hi all. Thanks Larry and all for raising the marketing issue. I agree we have an issue here; I do not agree it is a devastating one. Our stats are all positive, our market penetration is thrilling, etc. The root of it is the fact that QGIS is developer-driven, with determinant input from customers, who vote paying for their needed feature. This explains the quality of code, the dev-friendly environment, and also the limited attention to marketing. As PSC marketing advisor, I tried to raise interest on these and other points in the past, without success. I think times are ripe to examine the question once more. Especially the website needs to be redone; we have done some work in Valmiera, but there is still something to do (as usual, volunteers needed). All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGXsLoACgkQ/NedwLUzIr6yOACdEuWTW3rlEbdnrhffgh3B99KE AMwAnA3qrCokRVACHxbOlz69yQPBUlej =8MQv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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Hi, On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote: Hi On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote: Hi I have to say when I compare them to our existing logo, none of them really do it for me. Perhaps we need a new mandate to freshen our exisiting logo rather than to try to create something new. Our current logo may have issues but it is: --snip 8 - Sorry, again, but I think the current logo falls far short of those goals, and any focus on revamping it is just prolonging the inevitable decision to move to a better one. Just to clarify - I am not opposed to replacing the logo at all. I just want to replace it with something that properly addresses our needs rather than taking an option we are not happy with simply because of the 99designs competition deadline. Currently there isn't an entry in my opinion that does this - for me anyway. I agree 100% that a logo should not be settled upon, but happily selected, regardless of any competition deadline. It's a very important decision. I have a couple of ideas to overcome the current impasse: 1) Run off - Currently there seems to be two popular designs, but a general consensus that neither is the 'right' one. There could be a short-term 'run off' competition that allows those two designers to try and come up with better designs, in an attempt to find a good solution for 2.0 release. Again, this should not mean the result has to be binding, i.e. the winner's logo used. 2) Use current logo - For 2.0 release, just use the current logo, as is. After 2.0 release, I suggest the forming of an design committee to manage another go at finding a new logo, and for the reasons mentioned below. 3) Design committee - Kudos to Nathan for his efforts on the competition and getting everyone involved in the process. In retrospect I think a logo by popular consensus, as a means of getting to final logo selections, may not be the best course of action. In many organizations there are people with design background or knowledge who work on making the initial selections to bring to the community or those who make decisions. For example, the popular #50 has a inherent design flaw of being 95% black, even though the rest of the design is OK. Such a committee could have spotted this early on and asked the designer to work on a fix, before the logo was presented to the community/PSC to vote on. I suggest such a committee be formed and comprised of 3-5 people who's job is to manage and make initial decisions on: * Project logo, design style, fonts * Marketing material design style * Documentation/web site template style and fonts * Program's general icons, toolbar icons, splash screen and style A design committee will allow a cohesive 'look' for all parts of the project to start taking shape. The committee should probably answer to and be under the purview of the PSC marketing advisor, and have specific abilities bestowed upon it members to vote internally to act on smaller decisions without needing full PSC approval. Basically, I feel design by community popular vote is not a good approach: too many cooks in the kitchen. This committee could be formed now, with an initial goal of handling the current logo situation. While personally I have a lot of design experience and would like to be on such a committee, I understand my current conflict of interest regarding the logo, and would recuse myself regarding its decision. An active community member who has clear public examples of quality, design-oriented work would be Anita Graser. So, I would nominate her to be on such a committee. Regards, Larry Regards Tim ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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Hi On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote: Hi On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote: Hi I have to say when I compare them to our existing logo, none of them really do it for me. Perhaps we need a new mandate to freshen our exisiting logo rather than to try to create something new. Our current logo may have issues but it is: --snip 8 - Sorry, again, but I think the current logo falls far short of those goals, and any focus on revamping it is just prolonging the inevitable decision to move to a better one. Just to clarify - I am not opposed to replacing the logo at all. I just want to replace it with something that properly addresses our needs rather than taking an option we are not happy with simply because of the 99designs competition deadline. Currently there isn't an entry in my opinion that does this - for me anyway. I agree 100% that a logo should not be settled upon, but happily selected, regardless of any competition deadline. It's a very important decision. I have a couple of ideas to overcome the current impasse: 1) Run off - Currently there seems to be two popular designs, but a general consensus that neither is the 'right' one. There could be a short-term 'run off' competition that allows those two designers to try and come up with better designs, in an attempt to find a good solution for 2.0 release. Again, this should not mean the result has to be binding, i.e. the winner's logo used. 2) Use current logo - For 2.0 release, just use the current logo, as is. After 2.0 release, I suggest the forming of an design committee to manage another go at finding a new logo, and for the reasons mentioned below. 3) Design committee - Kudos to Nathan for his efforts on the competition and getting everyone involved in the process. In retrospect I think a logo by popular consensus, as a means of getting to final logo selections, may not be the best course of action. In many organizations there are people with design background or knowledge who work on making the initial selections to bring to the community or those who make decisions. For example, the popular #50 has a inherent design flaw of being 95% black, even though the rest of the design is OK. Such a committee could have spotted this early on and asked the designer to work on a fix, before the logo was presented to the community/PSC to vote on. I suggest such a committee be formed and comprised of 3-5 people who's job is to manage and make initial decisions on: * Project logo, design style, fonts * Marketing material design style * Documentation/web site template style and fonts * Program's general icons, toolbar icons, splash screen and style A design committee will allow a cohesive 'look' for all parts of the project to start taking shape. The committee should probably answer to and be under the purview of the PSC marketing advisor, and have specific abilities bestowed upon it members to vote internally to act on smaller decisions without needing full PSC approval. Basically, I feel design by community popular vote is not a good approach: too many cooks in the kitchen. This committee could be formed now, with an initial goal of handling the current logo situation. While personally I have a lot of design experience and would like to be on such a committee, I understand my current conflict of interest regarding the logo, and would recuse myself regarding its decision. An active community member who has clear public examples of quality, design-oriented work would be Anita Graser. So, I would nominate her to be on such a committee. That all sounds like a very reasonable approach. I think this kind of filtering would be good as in retrospect there was such a high noise to signal ratio in the design competition I didn't find the process worked well for me. Hats off to Nathan for all the effort he put into it, but a more filtered and considered approach as described above sounds good. It would be also good to have a more rigorous set of criteria - the emotional response to a logo should be the last part of the process not the first, basic design principles should first be ticked off. +1 on your suggestions above Regards Tim Regards, Larry Regards Tim -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming and support services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans *
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Hi I have to say when I compare them to our existing logo, none of them really do it for me. Perhaps we need a new mandate to freshen our exisiting logo rather than to try to create something new. Our current logo may have issues but it is: * distinctive * bright * clear * recognisable * already has a strong association with our 'brand' If the new logo does not meet these or in some way offer an improvement over the old, we should rather focus on tweaking what we already have. Regards Tim On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net wrote: Hi, In #336 and #338 I really like the three hands from differents parts of the world. It is a nice symbol of our collaboration around the world - developers, community managers and users. It may be too detailed at smaller sizes. But for smaller sizes one could omit the GIS part and use just the Q with the globe and the three hands. From the ones that are in the final voting, these are my favourites. I also like #399 and #400 for the simplicity and the usage of just one color - which opens ways for various brandings (e.g. server, desktop, mobile, etc.) Andreas On Tue, 14 May 2013 16:03:29 +1000, Nathan Woodrow wrote: Hey all, There is now a poll on the logo site http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952 [1]. We need to pick a design that we like, or at least something that would like to extend further. Please vote and leave any comments. At the moment we only have 2 days. I will ask for a few more days, but act like we only have two days. P.S Sorry I would have done this early I have just been busy with work and uni. Regards, Nathan Links: -- [1] http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952 -- -- Andreas Neumann Böschacherstrasse 10A 8624 Grüt (Gossau ZH) Switzerland ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming and support services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Hi, On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote: Hi I have to say when I compare them to our existing logo, none of them really do it for me. Perhaps we need a new mandate to freshen our exisiting logo rather than to try to create something new. Our current logo may have issues but it is: * distinctive * bright * clear * recognisable * already has a strong association with our 'brand' If the new logo does not meet these or in some way offer an improvement over the old, we should rather focus on tweaking what we already have. Ignoring the current contest and whether any of those designs work, I personally think the current logo's look is unprofessional enough to actually be considered a detriment to the project at this point. While that may seem like a strong statement, I think difficult decisions, like abandoning the old logo and going for a more modern and professional look, need to be made if QGIS is really going to have a chance to directly compete with the likes of ESRI and other commercial products in the enterprise, institutional or governmental workplace. I do think QGIS 2.0 has a chance to make great inroads into such areas, but the project needs to win over those users. Whether we, as open source developers, like it or not marketing is a key factor. First impressions are often greatly influenced by such things as logos. Sorry to say, but I think the current logo may unfortunately convey the following to users in the enterprise, institutional or governmental workplace: amateur. After spending quite a bit of time 'under the hood' I can honestly say the programming comprising QGIS is anything but amateur. It is very high quality and painstakingly well thought out and implemented. I strive every time I write code to meet those criteria. Not only do I think the project's logo needs to meet the expectations of an ever-expanding number of existing and potential users, I also believe it needs to do justice to the quantity and quality of the work done by so many devoted developers and testers, and to those who support the project, either financially, via the community or by providing user services. Sorry, again, but I think the current logo falls far short of those goals, and any focus on revamping it is just prolonging the inevitable decision to move to a better one. Best regards, Larry Regards Tim On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net wrote: Hi, In #336 and #338 I really like the three hands from differents parts of the world. It is a nice symbol of our collaboration around the world - developers, community managers and users. It may be too detailed at smaller sizes. But for smaller sizes one could omit the GIS part and use just the Q with the globe and the three hands. From the ones that are in the final voting, these are my favourites. I also like #399 and #400 for the simplicity and the usage of just one color - which opens ways for various brandings (e.g. server, desktop, mobile, etc.) Andreas On Tue, 14 May 2013 16:03:29 +1000, Nathan Woodrow wrote: Hey all, There is now a poll on the logo site http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952 [1]. We need to pick a design that we like, or at least something that would like to extend further. Please vote and leave any comments. At the moment we only have 2 days. I will ask for a few more days, but act like we only have two days. P.S Sorry I would have done this early I have just been busy with work and uni. Regards, Nathan Links: -- [1] http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952 -- -- Andreas Neumann Böschacherstrasse 10A 8624 Grüt (Gossau ZH) Switzerland ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming and support services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
On 05/17/2013 11:59 PM, Larry Shaffer wrote: Sorry to say, but I think the current logo may unfortunately convey the following to users in the enterprise, institutional or governmental workplace: amateur. I totally agree with Larry on this, the logo we currently have, might be legacy-loved by devs and the likes, but if we want to have mmore corporate users we need to be shiny and polyshed from the outside. we only get one chance to make a first impression. ciao -- Marco Bernasocchi http://opengis.ch ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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On 18/05/2013 9:02 AM, Marco Bernasocchi ma...@bernawebdesign.ch wrote: On 05/17/2013 11:59 PM, Larry Shaffer wrote: Sorry to say, but I think the current logo may unfortunately convey the following to users in the enterprise, institutional or governmental workplace: amateur. I totally agree with Larry on this, the logo we currently have, might be legacy-loved by devs and the likes, but if we want to have mmore corporate users we need to be shiny and polyshed from the outside. we only get one chance to make a first impression. +1 from me too... Larry's email totally conveyed what I've been thinking. Nyall ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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+1 from me too. This has been the feedback I have had from users and hence the reason that I started that comp. Personally I like the cut out look that the new git logo has now http://git-scm.com/downloads/logos - Nathan On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.comwrote: On 18/05/2013 9:02 AM, Marco Bernasocchi ma...@bernawebdesign.ch wrote: On 05/17/2013 11:59 PM, Larry Shaffer wrote: Sorry to say, but I think the current logo may unfortunately convey the following to users in the enterprise, institutional or governmental workplace: amateur. I totally agree with Larry on this, the logo we currently have, might be legacy-loved by devs and the likes, but if we want to have mmore corporate users we need to be shiny and polyshed from the outside. we only get one chance to make a first impression. +1 from me too... Larry's email totally conveyed what I've been thinking. Nyall ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Hi, In #336 and #338 I really like the three hands from differents parts of the world. It is a nice symbol of our collaboration around the world - developers, community managers and users. It may be too detailed at smaller sizes. But for smaller sizes one could omit the GIS part and use just the Q with the globe and the three hands. From the ones that are in the final voting, these are my favourites. I also like #399 and #400 for the simplicity and the usage of just one color - which opens ways for various brandings (e.g. server, desktop, mobile, etc.) Andreas On Tue, 14 May 2013 16:03:29 +1000, Nathan Woodrow wrote: Hey all, There is now a poll on the logo site http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952 [1]. We need to pick a design that we like, or at least something that would like to extend further. Please vote and leave any comments. At the moment we only have 2 days. I will ask for a few more days, but act like we only have two days. P.S Sorry I would have done this early I have just been busy with work and uni. Regards, Nathan Links: -- [1] http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952 -- -- Andreas Neumann Böschacherstrasse 10A 8624 Grüt (Gossau ZH) Switzerland ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Hi ! yeah I like the bottom one of #394 .. but it's not in the voting .. Nathan has a really hard job to do to do this .. From his screenshots I have to say .. although the design is simple and clean it does not fit as an icon .. I wonder if we should not do such photoshopped screenshots from all the designs that made it to the last round .. and I wonder why #394 has not been considered .. taking the facts from nathan I'd say #420 would give a nice Icon .. but it is not even rated .. :( Probably we all now know what the User would like .. But I would suggest to let the PSC go through ALL of the suggestions again considering the design of the User-voted .. and choose a cool one (but that would be probably after the contest).. winning does not necessarily mean that we HAVE to choose it or does it? kind regards Werner On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Anita Graser anitagra...@gmx.at wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.comwrote: My final concern is that we haven't seen a version of this logo without Quantum in it yet. Oh there are such too: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/qgis-needs-logo-210397/designers/1191094#entry-394 Best, Anita ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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Dnia środa, 15 maja 2013 o 08:43:05 Werner Macho napisał(a): But I would suggest to let the PSC go through ALL of the suggestions again considering the design of the User-voted .. and choose a cool one +1 for not forgetting the final decision belongs to the PSC :-) ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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+ 1 for the bottom one in #394 [1] since the author of #50 and #394 is the same, it must be possible to use it if one wins the contest. [1] http://99designs.fr/logo-design/contests/qgis-needs-logo-210397/entries/394 2013/5/15 Borys Jurgiel li...@borysjurgiel.pl Dnia środa, 15 maja 2013 o 08:43:05 Werner Macho napisał(a): But I would suggest to let the PSC go through ALL of the suggestions again considering the design of the User-voted .. and choose a cool one +1 for not forgetting the final decision belongs to the PSC :-) ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
[Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Hey all, There is now a poll on the logo site http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952. We need to pick a design that we like, or at least something that would like to extend further. Please vote and leave any comments. At the moment we only have 2 days. I will ask for a few more days, but act like we only have two days. P.S Sorry I would have done this early I have just been busy with work and uni. Regards, Nathan ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
On 05/13/2013 11:03 PM, Nathan Woodrow wrote: Hey all, There is now a poll on the logo site http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952. We need to pick a design that we like, or at least something that would like to extend further. Please vote and leave any comments. At the moment we only have 2 days. I will ask for a few more days, but act like we only have two days. P.S Sorry I would have done this early I have just been busy with work and uni. Regards, Nathan Any reason we're not opening this vote to the whole user list? -Alex ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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None at all, just forgot to include it in the email. - Nathan On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: On 05/13/2013 11:03 PM, Nathan Woodrow wrote: Hey all, There is now a poll on the logo site http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952. We need to pick a design that we like, or at least something that would like to extend further. Please vote and leave any comments. At the moment we only have 2 days. I will ask for a few more days, but act like we only have two days. P.S Sorry I would have done this early I have just been busy with work and uni. Regards, Nathan Any reason we're not opening this vote to the whole user list? -Alex ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
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Remember everyone you are also voting for something that should look good as a icon, not just a logo. There are now two polls: http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/contests/qgis-needs-logo-210397/poll/aqu952 http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/contests/qgis-needs-logo-210397/poll/ls2bf1 I have to run the second poll in order even out the playing field as I missed some of Larry's in the pick and the ones I did where not a fair comparison. As I can't not close a poll (I have requested it from the company but not word yet), or edit a poll (which is really dumb and makes this harder for me) I have to run two. Regards, Nathan On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: None at all, just forgot to include it in the email. - Nathan On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: On 05/13/2013 11:03 PM, Nathan Woodrow wrote: Hey all, There is now a poll on the logo site http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952. We need to pick a design that we like, or at least something that would like to extend further. Please vote and leave any comments. At the moment we only have 2 days. I will ask for a few more days, but act like we only have two days. P.S Sorry I would have done this early I have just been busy with work and uni. Regards, Nathan Any reason we're not opening this vote to the whole user list? -Alex ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
There are now two polls: http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/contests/qgis-needs-logo-210397/poll/aqu952 http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/contests/qgis-needs-logo-210397/poll/ls2bf1 I have to run the second poll in order even out the playing field as I missed some of Larry's in the pick and the ones I did where not a fair comparison. As I can't not close a poll (I have requested it from the company but not word yet), or edit a poll (which is really dumb and makes this harder for me) I have to run two. Should we be voting on both polls then? How does that work with the logos which are on both polls? Nyall ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Is there still a possibility to keep the the present logo? If so, I'd allow to vote for it too (if not in the pool, at least here on the ml). IMHO none of them is really worth the change - I'd rather cancel the competition and hire a good proffesional designer. Dnia wtorek, 14 maja 2013 o 08:03:29 Nathan Woodrow napisał(a): Hey all, There is now a poll on the logo site http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/vote-aqu952. We need to pick a design that we like, or at least something that would like to extend further. Please vote and leave any comments. At the moment we only have 2 days. I will ask for a few more days, but act like we only have two days. P.S Sorry I would have done this early I have just been busy with work and uni. Regards, Nathan ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
Vote on the second if your are only going to vote once. The second one has the picks from the first. The green background ones in the first have low votes so they are removed. Sent from some fancy phone looking thingo From: Nyall Dawson Sent: 14/05/2013 5:56 PM To: Nathan Woodrow Cc: t...@wildintellect.com; qgis-user; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick There are now two polls: http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/contests/qgis-needs-logo-210397/poll/aqu952 http://99designs.com.au/logo-design/contests/qgis-needs-logo-210397/poll/ls2bf1 I have to run the second poll in order even out the playing field as I missed some of Larry's in the pick and the ones I did where not a fair comparison. As I can't not close a poll (I have requested it from the company but not word yet), or edit a poll (which is really dumb and makes this harder for me) I have to run two. Should we be voting on both polls then? How does that work with the logos which are on both polls? Nyall ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Nyall Dawson nyall.daw...@gmail.comwrote: My final concern is that we haven't seen a version of this logo without Quantum in it yet. Oh there are such too: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/qgis-needs-logo-210397/designers/1191094#entry-394 Best, Anita ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
