Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Régis Haubourg]

Matthias Kuhn-2 wrote
> Can you state more precisely what you mean with "on welcome screen"?
> I.e. directly on the welcome screen or on a separate tab?

Hi, 
At first thought, I would prefer directly on welcome screen, at least users
get used to it (or addicted?). Notification icons are usefull for users that
know what's behind. Most corporate users don't really want to read news.. 
My tests today gave me the feeling that we give a lot of space to recent
project, maybe too much compared to average screen display density in QGIS.
That could be squizzed a little bit to let some room to newsfeed. 

BTW I think a little red cross on the corner of the welcome screen should be
there. I couldn't find how to close it without opening an empty or a new
project. When using "layer's menu from projec" to add layer to my empty
session, welcome screen kept on front.. Am I missing something? Should we
wire up a signal in the plugin for that ? If yes, which one?

Cheers
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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Nyall Dawson]

On 7 October 2015 at 07:41, Régis Haubourg
 wrote:
> Matthias Kuhn-2 wrote
>> Can you state more precisely what you mean with "on welcome screen"?
>> I.e. directly on the welcome screen or on a separate tab?
>
> Hi,
> At first thought, I would prefer directly on welcome screen, at least users
> get used to it (or addicted?). Notification icons are usefull for users that
> know what's behind. Most corporate users don't really want to read news..
> My tests today gave me the feeling that we give a lot of space to recent
> project, maybe too much compared to average screen display density in QGIS.
> That could be squizzed a little bit to let some room to newsfeed.
>

This was how the original implementation worked, but proved to be
unpopular and so was moved off to that tab. For the record, I'm not in
favour of showing the feed on startup - I don't think it looks
professional and even if we wrote like crazy to make sure that there's
always "fresh" news it will still only be relevant to a small % of our
users...

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Matthias Kuhn]

On 10/02/2015 08:27 PM, Régis Haubourg wrote:
> Hi, maybe a bit off topic, 
> We released rss-menu plugin here as a feed parser to inform users from some
> news. 
>
> Huge drawback, it builds a menu in menu bar, and we discovered very few
> users do see those news. 
>
> I would be a great fan of having customizable feeds on welcome screen, so
> that new have at least one chance of being read. That way, I could configure
> some QGIS + some specifics feeds, such as data catalog feed or internal
> enterprise wiki feed.
Can you state more precisely what you mean with "on welcome screen"?
I.e. directly on the welcome screen or on a separate tab?

Matthias
> Does that help in choosing the right screen design?
>
> Cheers
>
> Régis
>
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Alessandro Pasotti]

Same here, even if I choose to save the certificate it pops up every time I
start QGIS.

2015-10-02 8:07 GMT+02:00 Andreas Neumann :

> Hi,
>
> Since the integration of the new authentication system from Larry I am now
> getting an SSL error on Startup. See
> http://www.carto.net/neumann/temp/qgis_startup_ssl_error.png
>
> I have no idea what it means and what I can do in order to get rid of this
> error message.
>
> Does it mean that the connection to https://www.google.com/jsapi is not
> secure? Is QGIS now contacting a Google server at each startup?
>
> Thank you for any hint about this error message.
>
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[Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Andreas Neumann]

Hi,

Since the integration of the new authentication system from Larry I am 
now getting an SSL error on Startup. See 
http://www.carto.net/neumann/temp/qgis_startup_ssl_error.png


I have no idea what it means and what I can do in order to get rid of 
this error message.


Does it mean that the connection to https://www.google.com/jsapi is not 
secure? Is QGIS now contacting a Google server at each startup?


Thank you for any hint about this error message.

Andreas
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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Andreas Neumann]

To add some more information: this is on Ubuntu 15.04 64bit.

I also tried starting QGIS without plugins, because I thought that maybe 
a Python Plugin may want to load something from the web, but the error 
message still appears.


Thanks,
Andreas

On 02.10.2015 08:07, Andreas Neumann wrote:

Hi,

Since the integration of the new authentication system from Larry I am 
now getting an SSL error on Startup. See 
http://www.carto.net/neumann/temp/qgis_startup_ssl_error.png


I have no idea what it means and what I can do in order to get rid of 
this error message.


Does it mean that the connection to https://www.google.com/jsapi is 
not secure? Is QGIS now contacting a Google server at each startup?


Thank you for any hint about this error message.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Luca Delucchi]

On 2 October 2015 at 08:08, Alessandro Pasotti  wrote:
>
> Same here, even if I choose to save the certificate it pops up every time I
> start QGIS.
>

Same here, it is really annoying

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 08:21:19AM +0200, Luca Delucchi wrote:
> On 2 October 2015 at 08:08, Alessandro Pasotti  wrote:
> >
> > Same here, even if I choose to save the certificate it pops up every time I
> > start QGIS.
> 
> Same here, it is really annoying

Same here. Can it be an opt-in, to be annoying ? :)

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 02-10-15 10:41, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> My original plan for the news feed was a push notification system for
> conferences, releases...
> 
> I do not see any advantage of the current system over having a link
> which opens a browser window.
> 
> I would like to clearly separate the two discussions: IF there is a good
> reason to ship the news feed internally, THEN we will find a solution to
> ship a library instead of downloading an external one.

A real push mechanism?
Or do you mean just pulling a most recent rss or atom feed?

If you meaned the last, I'm in favour to just hack some javascript lines
together and pull our own 'news feed', which also has the releases and
messages from blog.qgis.org.

If we keep it a 'News and Announcements'-tab (note the tab size ;-) ),
we could download the feed ONLY when the user deliberately has a look
into that tab?
In that way people who do not want to download anything, do not download
the feed (but only miss our nice blog posts).
But off course this is not real push...

Or am I missing something here?

Regards,

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 02-10-15 14:37, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> It was a bit short-sighted of me to integrate the feed without first
> thinking about a use-case (i.e. what kind of information
> deserves/requires to be pushed). Sorry for that.

Dont' worry, even without pushing I'm happy with a 'QGIS news' tab!

People go to websites too, to just check if there is something new. As
said, by promoting our blog feed I hope people start blogging and we get
more blogs ...
Though not hyper active, there is a news item once every day..

Regards,

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 02-10-15 15:33, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> On 10/02/2015 03:02 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>> On 02-10-15 14:53, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
 Though not hyper active, there is a news item once every 
 day..
>>> What is the advantage of having a news tab over offering a 
>>> link?
>> Like every news feed: you can scan the headlines, and either 
>> follow the interested title, or just skip it and go to work :-)
> Tab version: Click tab -> scan headlines
> 
> Link version: Click link -> scan headlines
> 
> Sorry, I still miss the advantage, two clicks both, same effect 
> both :-)

For me the difference is that I want to view headlines in QGIS, and
only go to a browser if I think one of the news items is interesting.

But... whatever :-(

Richard
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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Matthias Kuhn]

I'll shortly summarize the tab vs. link comparison:

 + It's in QGIS
 + We get a ping of installations and can do statistics
 +/- The same amount of clicks for the same information
 - More overhead
 - More code to maintain
 - Less space on the recent projects page due to tabs
 - More potential points of failure (e.g. SSL issue)
 - Users computers connect to online services

Did I forget something?

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Matthias Kuhn]

On 10/02/2015 02:43 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> On 02-10-15 14:37, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>> It was a bit short-sighted of me to integrate the feed without first
>> thinking about a use-case (i.e. what kind of information
>> deserves/requires to be pushed). Sorry for that.
> Dont' worry, even without pushing I'm happy with a 'QGIS news' tab!
>
> People go to websites too, to just check if there is something new. As
> said, by promoting our blog feed I hope people start blogging and we get
> more blogs ...
> Though not hyper active, there is a news item once every day..
What is the advantage of having a news tab over offering a link?
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 02-10-15 14:53, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>> Though not hyper active, there is a news item once every day..
> What is the advantage of having a news tab over offering a link?

Like every news feed: you can scan the headlines, and either follow
the interested title, or just skip it and go to work :-)

Richard

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Alessandro Pasotti]

2015-10-02 14:37 GMT+02:00 Matthias Kuhn :

>
>
> On 10/02/2015 11:54 AM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> > On 02-10-15 10:41, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> >> My original plan for the news feed was a push notification system for
> >> conferences, releases...
> >>
> >> I do not see any advantage of the current system over having a link
> >> which opens a browser window.
> >>
> >> I would like to clearly separate the two discussions: IF there is a good
> >> reason to ship the news feed internally, THEN we will find a solution to
> >> ship a library instead of downloading an external one.
> > A real push mechanism?
> > Or do you mean just pulling a most recent rss or atom feed?
>
> I was referring to pull/push in terms of UX. Originally the user had no
> other choice than looking at the news feed (push). Now the user has to
> click the tab to get information (pull).
>
> Reasoning: Most pages (github/stackoverflow...) and software (mail
> clients) give you a notification by means of an icon when there is
> something new available in your inbox, in a folder... In short, the
> users knows that there are unread items.
>
> At the moment we do not push the information to the user and we do not
> give him any hint if there's something of interest to him on the tab.
> Why would he still click on it after having found nothing new the last 5
> times he clicked the tab? How does he know the frequency of information
> update?
>
> If we integrate the reader inside the app we should give the user a hint
> by notifying (icon) or "pushing" the information to him (always show the
> feed). If we don't, let's not pretend to be smart. Let's avoid the
> overhead. Let's just offer a link, it does the same.
>
> It was a bit short-sighted of me to integrate the feed without first
> thinking about a use-case (i.e. what kind of information
> deserves/requires to be pushed). Sorry for that.
>
> Cheers,
> Matthias
>


IMHO the news tab with "push-like" behaviour is a good idea (and I thought
it was already decided).

I'm not suggesting to reimplement a feed parser from scratches, just to not
use any CDN loaded js libraries for that.

A feed stream is a simple XML file and many parser implementations are
available in python.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Matthias Kuhn]

On 10/02/2015 03:02 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> On 02-10-15 14:53, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>>> Though not hyper active, there is a news item once every day..
>> What is the advantage of having a news tab over offering a link?
> Like every news feed: you can scan the headlines, and either follow
> the interested title, or just skip it and go to work :-)
Tab version:
Click tab -> scan headlines

Link version:
Click link -> scan headlines

Sorry, I still miss the advantage, two clicks both, same effect both :-)
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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Tom Chadwin]

I agree with Matthias. If we want to get the news to people who are not
already getting it, it needs to be there on the splash screen, not a
secondary tab. Surely there is plenty of space for recent projects and news
alongside one another, with a little redesigning? The recent projects
currently take up a lot of space, and the news stories don't need the
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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Matthias Kuhn]

On 10/02/2015 10:45 AM, Alessandro Pasotti wrote:
> 2015-10-02 10:41 GMT+02:00 Matthias Kuhn  >:
>
> My original plan for the news feed was a push notification system
> for conferences, releases...
>
> I do not see any advantage of the current system over having a
> link which opens a browser window.
>
> I would like to clearly separate the two discussions: IF there is
> a good reason to ship the news feed internally, THEN we will find
> a solution to ship a library instead of downloading an external one.
>
> Best,
> Matthias
>
>
>
> Hi Mathias,
>
> maybe I missed the point, but if the problem is to not download a js
> lib, which I suppose is used to download and parse the feed, why don't
> use a piece of (python or C++) code into QGIS to download and parse
> the feed?

Before we decide *how* to do it, we should decide *if* we do it.

If we decide not to do it the js lib is gone anyway.

If we decided that we do it, we can decide what kind of parser we want.
And I'd strongly vote for using an existing parser.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Alessandro Pasotti]

2015-10-02 10:41 GMT+02:00 Matthias Kuhn :

> My original plan for the news feed was a push notification system for
> conferences, releases...
>
> I do not see any advantage of the current system over having a link which
> opens a browser window.
>
> I would like to clearly separate the two discussions: IF there is a good
> reason to ship the news feed internally, THEN we will find a solution to
> ship a library instead of downloading an external one.
>
> Best,
> Matthias
>
>

Hi Mathias,

maybe I missed the point, but if the problem is to not download a js lib,
which I suppose is used to download and parse the feed, why don't use a
piece of (python or C++) code into QGIS to download and parse the feed?

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Matthias Kuhn]

My original plan for the news feed was a push notification system for
conferences, releases...

I do not see any advantage of the current system over having a link
which opens a browser window.

I would like to clearly separate the two discussions: IF there is a good
reason to ship the news feed internally, THEN we will find a solution to
ship a library instead of downloading an external one.

Best,
Matthias

On 10/02/2015 09:58 AM, Filipe Dias wrote:
> +1 for getting rid of the the warning
> - 1 for getting rid of the news tab
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Paolo Cavallini  > wrote:
>
> Il 02/10/2015 09:49, Richard Duivenvoorde ha scritto:
>
> > I'm in favour of removing Google lib dependencies, especially if
> they
> > give certificate errors :-)
> >
> > But I did like the news-tab though, and was hoping to attract more
> > people to read (and write!) about QGIS.
>
> +1, thanks.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Régis Haubourg]

Hi, maybe a bit off topic, 
We released rss-menu plugin here as a feed parser to inform users from some
news. 

Huge drawback, it builds a menu in menu bar, and we discovered very few
users do see those news. 

I would be a great fan of having customizable feeds on welcome screen, so
that new have at least one chance of being read. That way, I could configure
some QGIS + some specifics feeds, such as data catalog feed or internal
enterprise wiki feed. 
Does that help in choosing the right screen design?

Cheers

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Matthias Kuhn]

On 10/02/2015 08:57 AM, Sandro Santilli wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 08:21:19AM +0200, Luca Delucchi wrote:
>> On 2 October 2015 at 08:08, Alessandro Pasotti  wrote:
>>> Same here, even if I choose to save the certificate it pops up every time I
>>> start QGIS.
>> Same here, it is really annoying
> Same here. Can it be an opt-in, to be annoying ? :)
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The connection to google is made to download their rss javascript
library to display the news feed on the welcome page.

I don't know why the certificate check fails.

I would be in favor of removing this feed again since it has been
declassified to an easy-to-miss second tab anyway and lost its original
planned purpose as push message system.
Another approach if you'd like to keep it would be to ship the js
library with the QGIS application (possible license issues would still
have to be checked).

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 09:20:54AM +0200, Matthias Kuhn wrote:

> The connection to google is made to download their rss javascript
> library to display the news feed on the welcome page.
> 
> I don't know why the certificate check fails.
> 
> I would be in favor of removing this feed again since it has been
> declassified to an easy-to-miss second tab anyway and lost its original
> planned purpose as push message system.
> Another approach if you'd like to keep it would be to ship the js
> library with the QGIS application (possible license issues would still
> have to be checked).

If the js code is not free software, I'd not want it to be running
in QGIS, even if downloaded dynamically. Besides, downloading it
dinamically poses a big privacy issue; if I'm not mistaken the
QGIS community itself decided NOT to have the clients ping the
qgis website for this specific reason. And we have it ping google
instead ?

Whatever outside communication should be only enabled by the user,
IMHO.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Alessandro Pasotti]

2015-10-02 9:27 GMT+02:00 Sandro Santilli :

> On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 09:20:54AM +0200, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>
> > The connection to google is made to download their rss javascript
> > library to display the news feed on the welcome page.
> >
> > I don't know why the certificate check fails.
> >
> > I would be in favor of removing this feed again since it has been
> > declassified to an easy-to-miss second tab anyway and lost its original
> > planned purpose as push message system.
> > Another approach if you'd like to keep it would be to ship the js
> > library with the QGIS application (possible license issues would still
> > have to be checked).
>
> If the js code is not free software, I'd not want it to be running
> in QGIS, even if downloaded dynamically. Besides, downloading it
> dinamically poses a big privacy issue; if I'm not mistaken the
> QGIS community itself decided NOT to have the clients ping the
> qgis website for this specific reason. And we have it ping google
> instead ?
>
> Whatever outside communication should be only enabled by the user,
> IMHO.
>
>
+1
thanks Sandro for pointing this out.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Andreas Neumann]

Hi Matthias,

Thanks for shedding some light on this issue. I'd also be in favor of 
removing the news feed, if it requires download from Google. However, it 
would be useful, to have a menu entry in the "Help" menu, to open the 
website of the QGIS blog. The help menu could have several entries for 
useful web resources - and there it clearly is triggered by the user.


Thanks,
Andreas

On 02.10.2015 09:20, Matthias Kuhn wrote:

On 10/02/2015 08:57 AM, Sandro Santilli wrote:

On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 08:21:19AM +0200, Luca Delucchi wrote:

On 2 October 2015 at 08:08, Alessandro Pasotti  wrote:

Same here, even if I choose to save the certificate it pops up every time I
start QGIS.

Same here, it is really annoying

Same here. Can it be an opt-in, to be annoying ? :)

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The connection to google is made to download their rss javascript
library to display the news feed on the welcome page.

I don't know why the certificate check fails.

I would be in favor of removing this feed again since it has been
declassified to an easy-to-miss second tab anyway and lost its original
planned purpose as push message system.
Another approach if you'd like to keep it would be to ship the js
library with the QGIS application (possible license issues would still
have to be checked).

Matthias

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 09:37:52AM +0200, Andreas Neumann wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Thanks for shedding some light on this issue. I'd also be in favor
> of removing the news feed, if it requires download from Google.
> However, it would be useful, to have a menu entry in the "Help"
> menu, to open the website of the QGIS blog. The help menu could have
> several entries for useful web resources - and there it clearly is
> triggered by the user.

+1

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 02-10-15 09:20, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> The connection to google is made to download their rss javascript
> library to display the news feed on the welcome page.
> 
> I don't know why the certificate check fails.
> 
> I would be in favor of removing this feed again since it has been
> declassified to an easy-to-miss second tab anyway and lost its original
> planned purpose as push message system.
> Another approach if you'd like to keep it would be to ship the js
> library with the QGIS application (possible license issues would still
> have to be checked).

Hi Matthias,

I'm in favour of removing Google lib dependencies, especially if they
give certificate errors :-)

But I did like the news-tab though, and was hoping to attract more
people to read (and write!) about QGIS.

We have a 'news item part' in the frontpage of qgis.org, this is just 10
lines of javascript, which just pulls our feed url:

http://qgis.org/feeds/qugsnews.atom

and pulls the title and url from these, see

https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/blob/master/themes/qgis-theme/languageswitch.html#L121-L185

Though this script is using jquery (which is in the website, but
probably not available in QGIS), I'm pretty sure we can do without and
am happy to hack some javascript code to grab the atom from our own site
and show headlines like on the frontpage)

This does still not anwer the question though, if it is alright to fetch
data from external websites upon startup...

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde


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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Sandro Santilli]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 09:49:09AM +0200, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:

> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/blob/master/themes/qgis-theme/languageswitch.html#L121-L185
> 
> Though this script is using jquery (which is in the website, but
> probably not available in QGIS), I'm pretty sure we can do without and
> am happy to hack some javascript code to grab the atom from our own site
> and show headlines like on the frontpage)

Since we're at it, could you consider advertising the license of
published javascript code ?
See http://www.gnu.org/licenses/javascript-labels.html

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 02/10/2015 09:49, Richard Duivenvoorde ha scritto:

> I'm in favour of removing Google lib dependencies, especially if they
> give certificate errors :-)
> 
> But I did like the news-tab though, and was hoping to attract more
> people to read (and write!) about QGIS.

+1, thanks.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] SSL error on QGIS startup

[Filipe Dias]

+1 for getting rid of the the warning
- 1 for getting rid of the news tab

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Paolo Cavallini 
wrote:

> Il 02/10/2015 09:49, Richard Duivenvoorde ha scritto:
>
> > I'm in favour of removing Google lib dependencies, especially if they
> > give certificate errors :-)
> >
> > But I did like the news-tab though, and was hoping to attract more
> > people to read (and write!) about QGIS.
>
> +1, thanks.
>
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