[Qgis-developer] When is 2.2 really due?
Hi, Maybe I did not follow all discussion. But I see people posting tweets and blogs everywhere that QGIS 2.2 will be available in 24h or something similar. Is this really true? Don't we require a couple of days for packaging, testing that the binaries really work, etc.? I am just a bit worried that people put out false promises and increased pressure on the release manager, making people believe that they can install QGIS 2.2. Monday morning ... Sorry if I don't know all the details - this is more a question than a comment as I am not totally aware of what tasks are required to do the releases. Andreas ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] When is 2.2 really due?
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:17:23PM +, Andreas Neumann wrote: Hi, Maybe I did not follow all discussion. But I see people posting tweets and blogs everywhere that QGIS 2.2 will be available in 24h or something similar. Is this really true? Don't we require a couple of days for packaging, testing that the binaries really work, etc.? I am just a bit worried that people put out false promises and increased pressure on the release manager, making people believe that they can install QGIS 2.2. Monday morning ... Well, I think it's a matter of perception. It would take a simple git tag for me to be able to install QGIS 2.2.0. For somebody else it'd take a .deb or .rpm or .exe package instead. The way I see it, a release should be considered published as soon as a versioned tarball with the source code is made available somewhere on the internet. It may be a good habit, in the future, to tag release candidates for packagers to test them before going final. --strk; ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] When is 2.2 really due?
Hi Andreas, On Fri, 21. Feb 2014 at 12:17:23 +, Andreas Neumann wrote: Maybe I did not follow all discussion. But I see people posting tweets and blogs everywhere that QGIS 2.2 will be available in 24h or something similar. Is this really true? Don't we require a couple of days for packaging, testing that the binaries really work, etc.? Yes. That's what we had the freeze period for. But we're going to release only the sources today (which still lasts 18h in Alaska) and call for packages after that. I am just a bit worried that people put out false promises and increased pressure on the release manager, making people believe that they can install QGIS 2.2. Monday morning ... The release manager is blocking people from continuing their bug fixing work after having blocked them to doing their feature work already. Releasing just the sources on the release date will probably just put pressure on the packagers to get packages out asap. But there's no set date when that needs to happen. But Monday is hopefully not far off. Jürgen -- Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31 Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13Fax. +49-4931-918175-50 Software Engineer D-26506 Norden http://www.norbit.de QGIS PSC member (RM) Germany IRC: jef on FreeNode -- norBIT Gesellschaft fuer Unternehmensberatung und Informationssysteme mbH Rheinstrasse 13, 26506 Norden GF: Jelto Buurman, HR: Amtsgericht Emden, HRB 5502 ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] When is 2.2 really due?
Hi Jürgen, Thanks for the clarification. Maybe in the future we could also test binary packages before we officially release QGIS. After all this is what people use out their. If packages are broken (even if QGIS from source is fine) this will be bad for QGIS reputation. 95% of the QGIS users will judge QGIS after the quality of the package they install. They would not install from source. I guess any company with a product would do that. I know, we are a project and not a company, but I think from a QA perspective we should really also test packages before releasing stuff. At least for the most common OS, like Win64, latest OSX, latest Ubuntu/Debian. Anyway - thanks for all the work to all the devs and to you as release manager! Andreas Am 21.02.2014 15:17, schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: Hi Andreas, On Fri, 21. Feb 2014 at 12:17:23 +, Andreas Neumann wrote: Maybe I did not follow all discussion. But I see people posting tweets and blogs everywhere that QGIS 2.2 will be available in 24h or something similar. Is this really true? Don't we require a couple of days for packaging, testing that the binaries really work, etc.? Yes. That's what we had the freeze period for. But we're going to release only the sources today (which still lasts 18h in Alaska) and call for packages after that. I am just a bit worried that people put out false promises and increased pressure on the release manager, making people believe that they can install QGIS 2.2. Monday morning ... The release manager is blocking people from continuing their bug fixing work after having blocked them to doing their feature work already. Releasing just the sources on the release date will probably just put pressure on the packagers to get packages out asap. But there's no set date when that needs to happen. But Monday is hopefully not far off. Jürgen ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] When is 2.2 really due?
Hi Andreas, On Fri, 21. Feb 2014 at 15:30:45 +, Andreas Neumann wrote: Maybe in the future we could also test binary packages before we officially release QGIS. After all this is what people use out their. If packages are broken (even if QGIS from source is fine) this will be bad for QGIS reputation. 95% of the QGIS users will judge QGIS after the quality of the package they install. They would not install from source. That's what the test period is for - the differences there are minor (at least for Windows and the debian/ubuntu packages). But a lot of people will always wait for the release before they start to test and find stuff that no one ran into while testing - of course some of those could be found in a separate package testing phase (and with a extensive test suite), but packaging problems can also be handled outside of the qgis release schedule. I guess any company with a product would do that. I know, we are a project and not a company, but I think from a QA perspective we should really also test packages before releasing stuff. At least for the most common OS, like Win64, latest OSX, latest Ubuntu/Debian. As the packaging is now outside of qgis (and IMHO is was that way earlier - eg. bugs in the OSGeo4W packages should be filed there - but the standalone installer from repackaged OSGeo4W packages is a gray area). For Windows there's already some threshold - I'll first put the new release into OSGeo4W and produce a standalone installer some time later... Jürgen -- Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31 Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13Fax. +49-4931-918175-50 Software Engineer D-26506 Norden http://www.norbit.de QGIS PSC member (RM) Germany IRC: jef on FreeNode -- norBIT Gesellschaft fuer Unternehmensberatung und Informationssysteme mbH Rheinstrasse 13, 26506 Norden GF: Jelto Buurman, HR: Amtsgericht Emden, HRB 5502 ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] When is 2.2 really due?
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 05:13:59PM +0100, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote: But a lot of people will always wait for the release before they start to test and find stuff that no one ran into while testing - of course some of those could be found in a separate package testing phase (and with a extensive test suite), but packaging problems can also be handled outside of the qgis release schedule. That's why maintaining a stable branch is important: there'll always be a lot more testing after a release is out. You can't beat thousand of users with any automated tests... :) --strk; () ASCII ribbon campaign -- Keep it simple ! /\ http://strk.keybit.net/rants/ascii_mails.txt ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
