Re: [QGIS-Developer] grant proposal
Indeed going a bit crazy ;) Looking at the document mentioned in the thread [0], it would be good if we could at least get the QEP requirement written in stone. For the rest, I am a bit puzzled on the solutions. Maybe having only QEP already accepted would be an option, although being other issues such as timing for review. Cheers, Denis [0] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNmSJxztrHrqLfillDH8v1zWaMzxFUyYSPT3sut55eQ/edit Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 10:59, Nyall Dawson a écrit : > On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 17:46, DelazJ wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > For the record, > http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Grant-application-suggestions-for-next-time-td5368078.html > from last year > > Oh good - thought I was going crazy with deja vu here. Turns out it's > just Denis who's going crazy ;) > > Nyall > > > > > Regards, > > Harrissou > > > > Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 09:38, Alessandro Pasotti a > écrit : > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:33 AM Denis Rouzaud > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I'd like to share my concern about the grant proposal and voting > process. I believe we have some serious weaknesses in this process, but > sadly I don't have perfect solutions to propose. > >>> > >>> First, I felt not completely honest while voting: I had 2 proposals > and one of my colleagues had another one. Can I be neutral and objective? > Probably not. > >>> The only solution which came to my mind is to prevent people from > voting on their own or voting at all if they anything submitted. But > looking at the people actually writing the proposals, it would be a > non-sense to prevent them from voting as they are the most aware of the > QGIS core code. > >>> > >>> It made me think of how voting modifications of the constitution > happens in Switzerland: the executive is sending out voting > recommendations. This could be an approach, that someone (PSC? a dedicated > group?) gives a technical advice on the proposals. But here again, it might > be difficult to be objective and mostly politically quite risky. > >>> > >>> This brings me to another issue: some proposal don't leave room for > technical discussion. On this part, I think that we should make writing a > QEP mandatory as it should be the place to discuss the proposal and to > raise concerns. What happens if a grant proposal is accepted but not its > implementation? > >> > >> > >> Denis, > >> > >> I second this last proposal. > >> > >> Thanks for raising the issue. > >> > >> -- > >> Alessandro Pasotti > >> w3: www.itopen.it > >> ___ > >> QGIS-Developer mailing list > >> QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org > >> List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > > > > ___ > > QGIS-Developer mailing list > > QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org > > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > ___ > QGIS-Developer mailing list > QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [QGIS-Developer] grant proposal
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 17:46, DelazJ wrote: > > Hi, > > For the record, > http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Grant-application-suggestions-for-next-time-td5368078.html > from last year Oh good - thought I was going crazy with deja vu here. Turns out it's just Denis who's going crazy ;) Nyall > > Regards, > Harrissou > > Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 09:38, Alessandro Pasotti a écrit > : >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:33 AM Denis Rouzaud >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'd like to share my concern about the grant proposal and voting process. I >>> believe we have some serious weaknesses in this process, but sadly I don't >>> have perfect solutions to propose. >>> >>> First, I felt not completely honest while voting: I had 2 proposals and one >>> of my colleagues had another one. Can I be neutral and objective? Probably >>> not. >>> The only solution which came to my mind is to prevent people from voting on >>> their own or voting at all if they anything submitted. But looking at the >>> people actually writing the proposals, it would be a non-sense to prevent >>> them from voting as they are the most aware of the QGIS core code. >>> >>> It made me think of how voting modifications of the constitution happens in >>> Switzerland: the executive is sending out voting recommendations. This >>> could be an approach, that someone (PSC? a dedicated group?) gives a >>> technical advice on the proposals. But here again, it might be difficult to >>> be objective and mostly politically quite risky. >>> >>> This brings me to another issue: some proposal don't leave room for >>> technical discussion. On this part, I think that we should make writing a >>> QEP mandatory as it should be the place to discuss the proposal and to >>> raise concerns. What happens if a grant proposal is accepted but not its >>> implementation? >> >> >> Denis, >> >> I second this last proposal. >> >> Thanks for raising the issue. >> >> -- >> Alessandro Pasotti >> w3: www.itopen.it >> ___ >> QGIS-Developer mailing list >> QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org >> List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > > ___ > QGIS-Developer mailing list > QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [QGIS-Developer] grant proposal
Hi, For the record, http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Grant-application-suggestions-for-next-time-td5368078.html from last year Regards, Harrissou Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 09:38, Alessandro Pasotti a écrit : > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:33 AM Denis Rouzaud > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'd like to share my concern about the grant proposal and voting process. >> I believe we have some serious weaknesses in this process, but sadly I >> don't have perfect solutions to propose. >> >> First, I felt not completely honest while voting: I had 2 proposals and >> one of my colleagues had another one. Can I be neutral and objective? >> Probably not. >> The only solution which came to my mind is to prevent people from voting >> on their own or voting at all if they anything submitted. But looking at >> the people actually writing the proposals, it would be a non-sense to >> prevent them from voting as they are the most aware of the QGIS core code. >> >> It made me think of how voting modifications of the constitution happens >> in Switzerland: the executive is sending out voting recommendations. This >> could be an approach, that someone (PSC? a dedicated group?) gives a >> technical advice on the proposals. But here again, it might be difficult to >> be objective and mostly politically quite risky. >> >> This brings me to another issue: some proposal don't leave room for >> technical discussion. On this part, I think that we should make writing a >> QEP mandatory as it should be the place to discuss the proposal and to >> raise concerns. What happens if a grant proposal is accepted but not its >> implementation? >> > > Denis, > > I second this last proposal. > > Thanks for raising the issue. > > -- > Alessandro Pasotti > w3: www.itopen.it > ___ > QGIS-Developer mailing list > QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [QGIS-Developer] grant proposal
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:33 AM Denis Rouzaud wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd like to share my concern about the grant proposal and voting process. > I believe we have some serious weaknesses in this process, but sadly I > don't have perfect solutions to propose. > > First, I felt not completely honest while voting: I had 2 proposals and > one of my colleagues had another one. Can I be neutral and objective? > Probably not. > The only solution which came to my mind is to prevent people from voting > on their own or voting at all if they anything submitted. But looking at > the people actually writing the proposals, it would be a non-sense to > prevent them from voting as they are the most aware of the QGIS core code. > > It made me think of how voting modifications of the constitution happens > in Switzerland: the executive is sending out voting recommendations. This > could be an approach, that someone (PSC? a dedicated group?) gives a > technical advice on the proposals. But here again, it might be difficult to > be objective and mostly politically quite risky. > > This brings me to another issue: some proposal don't leave room for > technical discussion. On this part, I think that we should make writing a > QEP mandatory as it should be the place to discuss the proposal and to > raise concerns. What happens if a grant proposal is accepted but not its > implementation? > Denis, I second this last proposal. Thanks for raising the issue. -- Alessandro Pasotti w3: www.itopen.it ___ QGIS-Developer mailing list QGIS-Developer@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
