Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS Certification IRC meeting, Thrus 12 Feb, 2015
Hello, Le vendredi 6 février 2015, 17:34:46 Tim Sutton a écrit : Hi All We will be holding a meeting on IRC to discuss QGIS training and certification on Thursday 12 Feb 2015 and 14h00 GMT in the channel #qgis-certification. If you have ideas about a certification programme for QGIS, please come along and join us, or submit your ideas but email for discussion in the meeting! I will not be there tomorrow, and I just wanted to remind the points raised last June which were important to me. * The Certification Authority should be an independant, non-profit org, either OSGeo, or QGIS association * The certification platform should be under the CA responsibility but its operation be contracted to a private org after an open tender bid. The platform operator should not be allowed to give training. * The exam content should be under the responsibility of the CA, but it could be initially contracted to a private org after an open tender bid [1] * There should be an open process to apply as a certified trainer, allowing to advertise certification training and invigilate exams * Certification should have either a fixed cost, or a cost relative to the GNP/mean salary of the country of origin of the trainee [2] [1] I would rather have an open collective process to build the exams, but could be harder to setup. [2] I would prefer the second option Questions : - do we want certified trainers or certified training companies ? That's mainly the points on my side, and I would be happy to see all of this take place. Vincent -- Vincent Picavet - Gérant Oslandia www.oslandia.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS Certification IRC meeting, Thrus 12 Feb, 2015
Hi Tim, I will try to participate too. BTW, here is old wiki page about QGIS certification https://hub.qgis.org/wiki/17/Certification I think it still contains some important topics to discuss. 2015-02-06 17:34 GMT+02:00 Tim Sutton t...@kartoza.com: Hi All We will be holding a meeting on IRC to discuss QGIS training and certification on Thursday 12 Feb 2015 and 14h00 GMT in the channel #qgis-certification. If you have ideas about a certification programme for QGIS, please come along and join us, or submit your ideas but email for discussion in the meeting! Regards Tim -- -- Tim Sutton Visit http://kartoza.com to find out about open source: * Desktop GIS programming services * Geospatial web development * GIS Training * Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net Tim is a member of the QGIS Project Steering Committee --- Kartoza is a merger between Linfiniti and Afrispatial ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Alexander Bruy ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS Certification IRC meeting, Thrus 12 Feb, 2015
Hi all, I will try to be there with you! Matteo Il giorno 11/feb/2015 19.51, Alexander Bruy alexander.b...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hi Tim, I will try to participate too. BTW, here is old wiki page about QGIS certification https://hub.qgis.org/wiki/17/Certification I think it still contains some important topics to discuss. 2015-02-06 17:34 GMT+02:00 Tim Sutton t...@kartoza.com: Hi All We will be holding a meeting on IRC to discuss QGIS training and certification on Thursday 12 Feb 2015 and 14h00 GMT in the channel #qgis-certification. If you have ideas about a certification programme for QGIS, please come along and join us, or submit your ideas but email for discussion in the meeting! Regards Tim -- -- Tim Sutton Visit http://kartoza.com to find out about open source: * Desktop GIS programming services * Geospatial web development * GIS Training * Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net Tim is a member of the QGIS Project Steering Committee --- Kartoza is a merger between Linfiniti and Afrispatial ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Alexander Bruy ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS Certification IRC meeting, Thrus 12 Feb, 2015
Hi Vincent On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Vincent Picavet - ML vincent...@oslandia.com wrote: Hello, Le vendredi 6 février 2015, 17:34:46 Tim Sutton a écrit : Hi All We will be holding a meeting on IRC to discuss QGIS training and certification on Thursday 12 Feb 2015 and 14h00 GMT in the channel #qgis-certification. If you have ideas about a certification programme for QGIS, please come along and join us, or submit your ideas but email for discussion in the meeting! I will not be there tomorrow, and I just wanted to remind the points raised last June which were important to me. * The Certification Authority should be an independant, non-profit org, either OSGeo, or QGIS association * The certification platform should be under the CA responsibility but its operation be contracted to a private org after an open tender bid. The platform operator should not be allowed to give training. * The exam content should be under the responsibility of the CA, but it could be initially contracted to a private org after an open tender bid [1] * There should be an open process to apply as a certified trainer, allowing to advertise certification training and invigilate exams * Certification should have either a fixed cost, or a cost relative to the GNP/mean salary of the country of origin of the trainee [2] [1] I would rather have an open collective process to build the exams, but could be harder to setup. [2] I would prefer the second option Questions : - do we want certified trainers or certified training companies ? That's mainly the points on my side, and I would be happy to see all of this take place. Ok thanks for these points Vincent. In terms of focus for the meeting, I think we need to follow the QGIS PSC principle of sub/task groups self organizing and try to create a CA group with a mandate to see the CA come to being and focus the meeting more on the formation of a group with allocated responsibilities and less on the the details of how we do it. So my suggestion is that we get say 5 core member to volunteer (and try to include folks from education institutions in the mix since I think their outlook is quite different). And then get regular meetings in place to make sure things progress...say once every two weeks where we can then focus on the details of things that you have described above. Regards Tim Vincent -- Vincent Picavet - Gérant Oslandia www.oslandia.com -- -- Tim Sutton Visit http://kartoza.com to find out about open source: * Desktop GIS programming services * Geospatial web development * GIS Training * Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net Tim is a member of the QGIS Project Steering Committee --- Kartoza is a merger between Linfiniti and Afrispatial ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS Certification IRC meeting, Thrus 12 Feb, 2015
Hi Tim, Hi All We will be holding a meeting on IRC to discuss QGIS training and certification on Thursday 12 Feb 2015 and 14h00 GMT in the channel #qgis-certification. If you have ideas about a certification programme for QGIS, please come along and join us, or submit your ideas but email for discussion in the meeting! will be there too. cheers! -- G -- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS Certification IRC meeting, Thrus 12 Feb, 2015
Thanks Tim, I'll try to be there. giovanni 2015-02-06 16:34 GMT+01:00 Tim Sutton t...@kartoza.com: Hi All We will be holding a meeting on IRC to discuss QGIS training and certification on Thursday 12 Feb 2015 and 14h00 GMT in the channel #qgis-certification. If you have ideas about a certification programme for QGIS, please come along and join us, or submit your ideas but email for discussion in the meeting! Regards Tim -- -- Tim Sutton Visit http://kartoza.com to find out about open source: * Desktop GIS programming services * Geospatial web development * GIS Training * Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net Tim is a member of the QGIS Project Steering Committee --- Kartoza is a merger between Linfiniti and Afrispatial ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Giovanni Allegri http://about.me/giovanniallegri Twitter: https://twitter.com/_giohappy_ blog: http://blog.spaziogis.it GEO+ geomatica in Italia http://bit.ly/GEOplus ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS certification
On 15-10-14 01:32, Trevor Wiens wrote: Thanks Tim. That looks like a good planfor long term releases. I'll sign onto that list to see how I can contribute on the training side. Hi Trevor, one of the idea's for educational material, is to put an 'index' page in the QGIS website, pointing to material available on external websites. A first page is created here: http://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/trainingmaterial/index.html you can either add links to that page, OR (if you have a lot to tell/show) create a new page and link to it on the index page, describing your material and pointing to your site. Regards, Richard Duivenvoorde ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS certification
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 15/10/2014 09:13, Richard Duivenvoorde ha scritto: one of the idea's for educational material, is to put an 'index' page in the QGIS website, pointing to material available on external websites. A first page is created here: http://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/trainingmaterial/index.html you can either add links to that page, OR (if you have a lot to tell/show) create a new page and link to it on the index page, describing your material and pointing to your site. Of course, additions to the main repo, instead of linking external pages, are possible, and welcomed. WHile diversity is a Good Thing, consolidating efforts into one robust training material, with the possibility of selectively compiling specialized subset (e.g. only introductory chapters, for a basic course, all forestry-relevant chapters, for a forestry course, etc) is even better. I'm available for help on this. All the best. - -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu QGIS PostGIS courses: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlQ+I1gACgkQ/NedwLUzIr5kUgCfQQOShLz5TlDbwBNpv6z8HbZ6 aTMAoKuPXf3WjxaTz6BbRbqLSSUGVQLZ =Q0rd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS certification
I think that certification is a good idea and that some standard training materials tied to that make sense. On that effort I have two points. First, I would suggest that if there is an effort to have QGIS certification, then this should be coupled with a discussion a while back to stable releases where effort is made on bug squashing and not new features. The reason for this is that certification on commercial platforms is tied to specific versions and thus companies investing in certification for their staff will expect the same type of effort. In my mind this seems naturally tied to an effort to put forward QGIS as a viable alternative to commercial tools for governments, NGOs and companies. Second, I use QGIS to teach a Intro GIS course at the University of Calgary's Continuing Education department. Much of those materials are targeted toward using QGIS as a means to teach GIS not the particular features of QGIS. That said if there was an effort to setup standard QGIS educational materials I would be willing to contribute whatever parts of those materials that would be useful. TSW On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:31 AM, matteo matteo.ghe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, as pointed out in Essen, in a (I hope quick) future there will be the change to some people to give official QGIS certificates. These people should be authorized by the core team and the certification money will go to QGIS. So, for example, I'm authorized and I made a course by myself with my company to 10 people. 3 of them are interested to have an official QGIS certification, they pay something and that's all, right? In the Internet I found this website: https://www.coursera.org/ it offers courses for free with scheduled homeworks, tutorials, videos, data, etc... So I can join the class for free, attend the lessons and do all the quizzes and assignments. But, if I want a Coursera certification that proves that I attended successfully the course I have to pay for this certification (around 50 bucks). Do you think that this method can also fit for QGIS? I mean, maybe a section in the website (or somewhere else) where you can do a course and earn an official certificate? Suggestions are welcome!! Cheers Matteo ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Trevor Wiens Apropos Information Systems aproposinfosystems.com Calgary, Alberta Ph. 403-973-5901 Fax 780-666-4580 ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS certification
Del Mar College in Texas is offering classes certificates as QGIS Academy. http://foss4geo.wordpress.com/2014/08/10/announcing-the-new-geo-academy/ The classes are only $25 each; I'm taking the GST 102 class now. I'm using QGIS under Ubuntu (classes assume windows), and there are issues; like no installed support for MrSID (LizardTech propriety fmt), and Multispec doesn't run under Wine. I have enjoyed Python plug-in development though (not part of the classes). -Bill ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS certification
Hi On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Trevor Wiens tsw@gmail.com wrote: I think that certification is a good idea and that some standard training materials tied to that make sense. On that effort I have two points. First, I would suggest that if there is an effort to have QGIS certification, then this should be coupled with a discussion a while back to stable releases where effort is made on bug squashing and not new features. The reason for this is that certification on commercial platforms is tied to specific versions and thus companies investing in certification for their staff will expect the same type of effort. In my mind this seems naturally tied to an effort to put forward QGIS as a viable alternative to commercial tools for governments, NGOs and companies. We have detailed a plan for this during the Essen hackfest - please see https://github.com/timlinux/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/blob/master/QEP-3-QGIS_Long_Term_Releases.rst I hope that we can make 2.8 the first LTR release. Second, I use QGIS to teach a Intro GIS course at the University of Calgary's Continuing Education department. Much of those materials are targeted toward using QGIS as a means to teach GIS not the particular features of QGIS. That said if there was an effort to setup standard QGIS educational materials I would be willing to contribute whatever parts of those materials that would be useful. Yes there are efforts towards this. We already have some resources and we have been in discussions to build on these. Perhaps we can start using the mostly unused QGIS-Edu mailing list to coordinate and collaborate - it would be great to have your inputs (and anyone else interested in this topic). http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-edu/ Regards Tim TSW On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:31 AM, matteo matteo.ghe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, as pointed out in Essen, in a (I hope quick) future there will be the change to some people to give official QGIS certificates. These people should be authorized by the core team and the certification money will go to QGIS. So, for example, I'm authorized and I made a course by myself with my company to 10 people. 3 of them are interested to have an official QGIS certification, they pay something and that's all, right? In the Internet I found this website: https://www.coursera.org/ it offers courses for free with scheduled homeworks, tutorials, videos, data, etc... So I can join the class for free, attend the lessons and do all the quizzes and assignments. But, if I want a Coursera certification that proves that I attended successfully the course I have to pay for this certification (around 50 bucks). Do you think that this method can also fit for QGIS? I mean, maybe a section in the website (or somewhere else) where you can do a course and earn an official certificate? Suggestions are welcome!! Cheers Matteo ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Trevor Wiens Apropos Information Systems aproposinfosystems.com Calgary, Alberta Ph. 403-973-5901 Fax 780-666-4580 -- -- Tim Sutton Visit http://kartoza.com to find out about open source: * Desktop GIS programming services * Geospatial web development * GIS Training * Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net Tim is a member of the QGIS Project Steering Committee --- Kartoza is a merger between Linfiniti and Afrispatial ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS certification
Hi On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:31 PM, matteo matteo.ghe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, as pointed out in Essen, in a (I hope quick) future there will be the change to some people to give official QGIS certificates. These people should be authorized by the core team and the certification money will go to QGIS. So, for example, I'm authorized and I made a course by myself with my company to 10 people. 3 of them are interested to have an official QGIS certification, they pay something and that's all, right? In the Internet I found this website: https://www.coursera.org/ Ah cool - thanks for this Matteo - I'll add it to the list of things to look at (along with http://taotesting.com which we are currently evaluating). Regards Tim it offers courses for free with scheduled homeworks, tutorials, videos, data, etc... So I can join the class for free, attend the lessons and do all the quizzes and assignments. But, if I want a Coursera certification that proves that I attended successfully the course I have to pay for this certification (around 50 bucks). Do you think that this method can also fit for QGIS? I mean, maybe a section in the website (or somewhere else) where you can do a course and earn an official certificate? Suggestions are welcome!! Cheers Matteo -- -- Tim Sutton Visit http://kartoza.com to find out about open source: * Desktop GIS programming services * Geospatial web development * GIS Training * Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net Tim is a member of the QGIS Project Steering Committee --- Kartoza is a merger between Linfiniti and Afrispatial ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS certification
Thanks Tim. That looks like a good planfor long term releases. I'll sign onto that list to see how I can contribute on the training side. TSW On Oct 14, 2014 4:10 PM, Tim Sutton t...@kartoza.com wrote: Hi On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Trevor Wiens tsw@gmail.com wrote: I think that certification is a good idea and that some standard training materials tied to that make sense. On that effort I have two points. First, I would suggest that if there is an effort to have QGIS certification, then this should be coupled with a discussion a while back to stable releases where effort is made on bug squashing and not new features. The reason for this is that certification on commercial platforms is tied to specific versions and thus companies investing in certification for their staff will expect the same type of effort. In my mind this seems naturally tied to an effort to put forward QGIS as a viable alternative to commercial tools for governments, NGOs and companies. We have detailed a plan for this during the Essen hackfest - please see https://github.com/timlinux/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/blob/master/QEP-3-QGIS_Long_Term_Releases.rst I hope that we can make 2.8 the first LTR release. Second, I use QGIS to teach a Intro GIS course at the University of Calgary's Continuing Education department. Much of those materials are targeted toward using QGIS as a means to teach GIS not the particular features of QGIS. That said if there was an effort to setup standard QGIS educational materials I would be willing to contribute whatever parts of those materials that would be useful. Yes there are efforts towards this. We already have some resources and we have been in discussions to build on these. Perhaps we can start using the mostly unused QGIS-Edu mailing list to coordinate and collaborate - it would be great to have your inputs (and anyone else interested in this topic). http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-edu/ Regards Tim TSW On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:31 AM, matteo matteo.ghe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, as pointed out in Essen, in a (I hope quick) future there will be the change to some people to give official QGIS certificates. These people should be authorized by the core team and the certification money will go to QGIS. So, for example, I'm authorized and I made a course by myself with my company to 10 people. 3 of them are interested to have an official QGIS certification, they pay something and that's all, right? In the Internet I found this website: https://www.coursera.org/ it offers courses for free with scheduled homeworks, tutorials, videos, data, etc... So I can join the class for free, attend the lessons and do all the quizzes and assignments. But, if I want a Coursera certification that proves that I attended successfully the course I have to pay for this certification (around 50 bucks). Do you think that this method can also fit for QGIS? I mean, maybe a section in the website (or somewhere else) where you can do a course and earn an official certificate? Suggestions are welcome!! Cheers Matteo ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Trevor Wiens Apropos Information Systems aproposinfosystems.com Calgary, Alberta Ph. 403-973-5901 Fax 780-666-4580 -- -- Tim Sutton Visit http://kartoza.com to find out about open source: * Desktop GIS programming services * Geospatial web development * GIS Training * Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net Tim is a member of the QGIS Project Steering Committee --- Kartoza is a merger between Linfiniti and Afrispatial ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
