Re: [Qgis-user] English only list or Main list?

[Maria Shinoto]

Hi, 

I am not an English native speaker as well, and I am living in a country that 
does not understand my mother language. So I think that I understand the 
feelings of both "main counterparts", Nicolas Cadieux and Jürgen E. Fischer -- 
perhaps. 

It is sometimes hard to work with expectations and to overcome own 
shortcomings; so writing in English may be difficult in some cases. And it is 
certainly not an offence.  

To me, the discussions feels very kind from all sides: Everybody is trying to 
do the best and to understand the other side. 

Thanks a lot to those who try to help those who cannot adress their problem in 
English, and on the other side thanks to those who try to be understood by 
forcing themselves to write in the language that is most widely spoken, which 
is English. 

I am happy with the list as it works right now, multilingual but mainly 
English, and I hope I can get as much from it as I did until now -- and 
sometime in the future, can contribute as well. 

Best, 
Maria


> Am 2018-10-20 um 02:54 schrieb Tyler Veinot :
> 
> Don't get me wrong I understand how this can be offensive and/or frustrating 
> for both sides; but I if you just be patient and work through the 
> communication barrier more problems will be solved.
> Ok, now I am done...
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:51 PM Tyler Veinot  > wrote:
> I suggest the solution of if you are having trouble understanding someone do 
> to a language barrier just say so and/or ask for help. The people here, for 
> the most part, are friendly and understanding. I cannot imagine someone not 
> clarifying a communication, or parts there of, for someone like me, who only 
> speaks a single language. I use google translate very often to translate 
> plugin directions and documentation, and if that doesn't work I can ask the 
> list for help.
> That is how I see it anyway
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:06 PM Alex M  > wrote:
> Nicolas,
> 
> I think you raise a valid points, and that the end of the day we need to
> be as welcoming as possible to the entire community. As a reminder for
> some https://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct/ 
> 
> 
> The question is how do we best address the issue? The list of alternate
> language lists is good but not a complete solution. We should absolutely
> offer those when responding to a non-english post, and perhaps an
> explanation that English is the most common language on the list because
> it's comprehended by the most subscribers, so it is most likely to get
> you the most help. A lot of assumptions in that.
> 
> As a native English speaker, I actually do attempt to figure out the
> posts in other languages I have some familiarity with, and try to reply
> with a poorly translated response & the english response, along with a
> link to a language specific list if I know one as an alternative.
> 
> Sounds like we do need to fix the website to better direct people to
> other language lists if they prefer.
> 
> Any else have suggestions on how to improve this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> 
> 
> On 10/19/18 08:54, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
> > Hi Jürgen,
> > 
> > You are not offended because you have probably never been repeatedly
> > told not to speak German in Germany.  For people who do not live in a
> > country where this is often the case, I understand they cannot relate to
> > what I am stating.  My rant is culturally - country specific and
> > perhaps, not appropriate for this forum.  I acknowledge this but I am
> > tying to make people aware of a situation that can really tick people off.
> > 
> > I understand this list is primarily used by people who understand
> > english and that this facilitates communication.  I usually publish in
> > English, or write on this list in English for this very same reason.   I
> > agree that pointing people to language specific list can help those who
> > have a poor understanding, or no understanding of English.  I have done
> > that in the past and have also translated messages from French or
> > Spanish to English when I see unilingual posts, even when I don't know
> > the answers to the questions. This way they can still get helped and
> > others can benefit from the post as you point out. Unfortunately, the
> > other lists that I have visited are not as dynamic as this one... but
> > that's another story.
> > 
> > You don't get my last point because, in your case (and in the case of
> > most developers) you have _chosen_ to communicate in English for all the
> > good reasons and are not regularly mocked at when using your mother
> > language in public.  You are not from a country where you are expected
> > to speak in English and to make that effort while anglophones (in my
> > case) are not making any efforts to communicate with you in French. 
> > While this is thankfully changing in Canada as more and more anglophones
> > learn French and make the efforts 

Re: [Qgis-user] English only list or Main list?

[Tyler Veinot]

Don't get me wrong I understand how this can be offensive and/or
frustrating for both sides; but I if you just be patient and work through
the communication barrier more problems will be solved.
Ok, now I am done...


On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:51 PM Tyler Veinot  wrote:

> I suggest the solution of if you are having trouble understanding someone
> do to a language barrier just say so and/or ask for help. The people here,
> for the most part, are friendly and understanding. I cannot imagine someone
> not clarifying a communication, or parts there of, for someone like me, who
> only speaks a single language. I use google translate very often to
> translate plugin directions and documentation, and if that doesn't work I
> can ask the list for help.
> That is how I see it anyway
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:06 PM Alex M  wrote:
>
>> Nicolas,
>>
>> I think you raise a valid points, and that the end of the day we need to
>> be as welcoming as possible to the entire community. As a reminder for
>> some https://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct/
>>
>> The question is how do we best address the issue? The list of alternate
>> language lists is good but not a complete solution. We should absolutely
>> offer those when responding to a non-english post, and perhaps an
>> explanation that English is the most common language on the list because
>> it's comprehended by the most subscribers, so it is most likely to get
>> you the most help. A lot of assumptions in that.
>>
>> As a native English speaker, I actually do attempt to figure out the
>> posts in other languages I have some familiarity with, and try to reply
>> with a poorly translated response & the english response, along with a
>> link to a language specific list if I know one as an alternative.
>>
>> Sounds like we do need to fix the website to better direct people to
>> other language lists if they prefer.
>>
>> Any else have suggestions on how to improve this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/18 08:54, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
>> > Hi Jürgen,
>> >
>> > You are not offended because you have probably never been repeatedly
>> > told not to speak German in Germany.  For people who do not live in a
>> > country where this is often the case, I understand they cannot relate to
>> > what I am stating.  My rant is culturally - country specific and
>> > perhaps, not appropriate for this forum.  I acknowledge this but I am
>> > tying to make people aware of a situation that can really tick people
>> off.
>> >
>> > I understand this list is primarily used by people who understand
>> > english and that this facilitates communication.  I usually publish in
>> > English, or write on this list in English for this very same reason.   I
>> > agree that pointing people to language specific list can help those who
>> > have a poor understanding, or no understanding of English.  I have done
>> > that in the past and have also translated messages from French or
>> > Spanish to English when I see unilingual posts, even when I don't know
>> > the answers to the questions. This way they can still get helped and
>> > others can benefit from the post as you point out. Unfortunately, the
>> > other lists that I have visited are not as dynamic as this one... but
>> > that's another story.
>> >
>> > You don't get my last point because, in your case (and in the case of
>> > most developers) you have _chosen_ to communicate in English for all the
>> > good reasons and are not regularly mocked at when using your mother
>> > language in public.  You are not from a country where you are expected
>> > to speak in English and to make that effort while anglophones (in my
>> > case) are not making any efforts to communicate with you in French.
>> > While this is thankfully changing in Canada as more and more anglophones
>> > learn French and make the efforts (and are actually starting to realize
>> > the importance of learning more than just one language), this is not the
>> > case in other countries like the US where Spanish speaking people are
>> > often the target of outright racism and regularly told "this is an
>> > English speaking country".
>> >
>> > I too appreciate the use of English in this list, specially when the
>> > writer is German, Austrian or from Iceland because Google translation
>> > just does not cut it when talking in technical terms. I am simply
>> > stating that this is a courtesy to be appreciated and not to be taken
>> > for granted.  While Europeans regularly speak many languages, this is a
>> > richness not appreciated in many parts of North America.
>> >
>> > Yours truly,
>> >
>> > Nicolas Cadieux
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2018-10-19 10:22 AM, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:
>> >> Hi Nicolas,
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 19. Oct 2018 at 09:07:36 -0400, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
>> >>> This is a public rant.  I find it extremely offensive to read
>> >>> comments like
>> >>> “this is the English list” to people who write to this list in any
>> other
>> >>> language than English.
>> >> I 

Re: [Qgis-user] English only list or Main list?

[Tyler Veinot]

I suggest the solution of if you are having trouble understanding someone
do to a language barrier just say so and/or ask for help. The people here,
for the most part, are friendly and understanding. I cannot imagine someone
not clarifying a communication, or parts there of, for someone like me, who
only speaks a single language. I use google translate very often to
translate plugin directions and documentation, and if that doesn't work I
can ask the list for help.
That is how I see it anyway


On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:06 PM Alex M  wrote:

> Nicolas,
>
> I think you raise a valid points, and that the end of the day we need to
> be as welcoming as possible to the entire community. As a reminder for
> some https://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct/
>
> The question is how do we best address the issue? The list of alternate
> language lists is good but not a complete solution. We should absolutely
> offer those when responding to a non-english post, and perhaps an
> explanation that English is the most common language on the list because
> it's comprehended by the most subscribers, so it is most likely to get
> you the most help. A lot of assumptions in that.
>
> As a native English speaker, I actually do attempt to figure out the
> posts in other languages I have some familiarity with, and try to reply
> with a poorly translated response & the english response, along with a
> link to a language specific list if I know one as an alternative.
>
> Sounds like we do need to fix the website to better direct people to
> other language lists if they prefer.
>
> Any else have suggestions on how to improve this?
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>
> On 10/19/18 08:54, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
> > Hi Jürgen,
> >
> > You are not offended because you have probably never been repeatedly
> > told not to speak German in Germany.  For people who do not live in a
> > country where this is often the case, I understand they cannot relate to
> > what I am stating.  My rant is culturally - country specific and
> > perhaps, not appropriate for this forum.  I acknowledge this but I am
> > tying to make people aware of a situation that can really tick people
> off.
> >
> > I understand this list is primarily used by people who understand
> > english and that this facilitates communication.  I usually publish in
> > English, or write on this list in English for this very same reason.   I
> > agree that pointing people to language specific list can help those who
> > have a poor understanding, or no understanding of English.  I have done
> > that in the past and have also translated messages from French or
> > Spanish to English when I see unilingual posts, even when I don't know
> > the answers to the questions. This way they can still get helped and
> > others can benefit from the post as you point out. Unfortunately, the
> > other lists that I have visited are not as dynamic as this one... but
> > that's another story.
> >
> > You don't get my last point because, in your case (and in the case of
> > most developers) you have _chosen_ to communicate in English for all the
> > good reasons and are not regularly mocked at when using your mother
> > language in public.  You are not from a country where you are expected
> > to speak in English and to make that effort while anglophones (in my
> > case) are not making any efforts to communicate with you in French.
> > While this is thankfully changing in Canada as more and more anglophones
> > learn French and make the efforts (and are actually starting to realize
> > the importance of learning more than just one language), this is not the
> > case in other countries like the US where Spanish speaking people are
> > often the target of outright racism and regularly told "this is an
> > English speaking country".
> >
> > I too appreciate the use of English in this list, specially when the
> > writer is German, Austrian or from Iceland because Google translation
> > just does not cut it when talking in technical terms. I am simply
> > stating that this is a courtesy to be appreciated and not to be taken
> > for granted.  While Europeans regularly speak many languages, this is a
> > richness not appreciated in many parts of North America.
> >
> > Yours truly,
> >
> > Nicolas Cadieux
> >
> >
> > On 2018-10-19 10:22 AM, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:
> >> Hi Nicolas,
> >>
> >> On Fri, 19. Oct 2018 at 09:07:36 -0400, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
> >>> This is a public rant.  I find it extremely offensive to read
> >>> comments like
> >>> “this is the English list” to people who write to this list in any
> other
> >>> language than English.
> >> I don't.  This is the main user list and it's in English - because
> >> that's the
> >> language everyone here understands - if you don't understand English,
> >> there's
> >> not much point subscribing in the first place.
> >>
> >> Using a language other than that excludes the majority of the
> >> subscribers from
> >> benefiting from what is being said and from contributing to 

Re: [Qgis-user] English only list or Main list?

[Alex M]

Nicolas,

I think you raise a valid points, and that the end of the day we need to
be as welcoming as possible to the entire community. As a reminder for
some https://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct/

The question is how do we best address the issue? The list of alternate
language lists is good but not a complete solution. We should absolutely
offer those when responding to a non-english post, and perhaps an
explanation that English is the most common language on the list because
it's comprehended by the most subscribers, so it is most likely to get
you the most help. A lot of assumptions in that.

As a native English speaker, I actually do attempt to figure out the
posts in other languages I have some familiarity with, and try to reply
with a poorly translated response & the english response, along with a
link to a language specific list if I know one as an alternative.

Sounds like we do need to fix the website to better direct people to
other language lists if they prefer.

Any else have suggestions on how to improve this?

Thanks,
Alex


On 10/19/18 08:54, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
> Hi Jürgen,
> 
> You are not offended because you have probably never been repeatedly
> told not to speak German in Germany.  For people who do not live in a
> country where this is often the case, I understand they cannot relate to
> what I am stating.  My rant is culturally - country specific and
> perhaps, not appropriate for this forum.  I acknowledge this but I am
> tying to make people aware of a situation that can really tick people off.
> 
> I understand this list is primarily used by people who understand
> english and that this facilitates communication.  I usually publish in
> English, or write on this list in English for this very same reason.   I
> agree that pointing people to language specific list can help those who
> have a poor understanding, or no understanding of English.  I have done
> that in the past and have also translated messages from French or
> Spanish to English when I see unilingual posts, even when I don't know
> the answers to the questions. This way they can still get helped and
> others can benefit from the post as you point out. Unfortunately, the
> other lists that I have visited are not as dynamic as this one... but
> that's another story.
> 
> You don't get my last point because, in your case (and in the case of
> most developers) you have _chosen_ to communicate in English for all the
> good reasons and are not regularly mocked at when using your mother
> language in public.  You are not from a country where you are expected
> to speak in English and to make that effort while anglophones (in my
> case) are not making any efforts to communicate with you in French. 
> While this is thankfully changing in Canada as more and more anglophones
> learn French and make the efforts (and are actually starting to realize
> the importance of learning more than just one language), this is not the
> case in other countries like the US where Spanish speaking people are
> often the target of outright racism and regularly told "this is an
> English speaking country".
> 
> I too appreciate the use of English in this list, specially when the
> writer is German, Austrian or from Iceland because Google translation
> just does not cut it when talking in technical terms. I am simply
> stating that this is a courtesy to be appreciated and not to be taken
> for granted.  While Europeans regularly speak many languages, this is a
> richness not appreciated in many parts of North America.
> 
> Yours truly,
> 
> Nicolas Cadieux
> 
> 
> On 2018-10-19 10:22 AM, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:
>> Hi Nicolas,
>>
>> On Fri, 19. Oct 2018 at 09:07:36 -0400, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
>>> This is a public rant.  I find it extremely offensive to read
>>> comments like
>>> “this is the English list” to people who write to this list in any other
>>> language than English.
>> I don't.  This is the main user list and it's in English - because
>> that's the
>> language everyone here understands - if you don't understand English,
>> there's
>> not much point subscribing in the first place.
>>
>> Using a language other than that excludes the majority of the
>> subscribers from
>> benefiting from what is being said and from contributing to the
>> discussion.
>>
>> And I don't find a response that clarifies this and also points to a
>> better
>> suited list offensive either.  Maybe even with a English translation
>> if the
>> original posting seems relevant to all.
> 
>>> If you disagree, please note that the QGIS site refers to this list
>>> as the
>>> “The MAIN list for user questions: used for discussion of QGIS in
>>> general, as
>>> well as specific questions regarding its installation and use.”  The
>>> MAIN
>>> list... not the ENGLISH list. This message is also repeated in other
>>> languages as can be seen here.
>>> https://www.qgis.org/fr/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#
>>> https://www.qgis.org/es/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#

Re: [QGIS-it-user] problema file zip.dll

[Gabriela Osaci-Costache]

Ciao,
a volte anch'io ho questo fastidioso problema. Mi è capitato dopo alcuni 
aggiornamenti (sia con la versione stabile, sia con la master) su vari 
portatili. Tempo fa ho chiesto aiuto in lista perché la mancanza di alcuni file 
non mi dava la possibilità di provare la versione di sviluppo QGIS 3. La cosa 
strana (per me) è che lo stesso aggiornamento su un portatile non dà problemi, 
mentre su un altro, sì. 
In questo momento sul portatile di casa tutto funziona (non ho aggiornato da 
circa un mese), mentre sul portatile che uso in università, aggiornato la 
scorsa settimana, la versione stabile 3.2 ha l'errore segnalato (QGIS 2.18 
funziona... purtroppo senza GRASS).
Qualche anno fa potevo risolvere incollando il file che mancava nella cartella 
d'installazione (copiato dal portatile sul quale QGIS non aveva dei problemi). 
Ora no...
Saluti,Gabriela

  Da: Totò 
 A: qgis-it-user@lists.osgeo.org 
 Inviato: Giovedì 18 Ottobre 2018 20:08
 Oggetto: Re: [QGIS-it-user] problema file zip.dll
   
alper78 wrote
> Ciao a tutti,
> ho un problema con l'installazione di QGIS 3 su Windows 10 usando OSGeo4w.
> Download e installazione procedono senza problemi. Poi compare una
> finestrella con il seguente errore:
> 
> crssync.exe - Errore di sistema
> L'esecuzione del codice non può proseguire perché zip.dll non è stato
> trovato. Per risolvere il problema, prova a reinstallare il programma. 
> 
> mentre la finestra di osgeo4w riporta:
> 
> Postinstall script errors
> Package: Unknown package
>     qgis-common.bat exit code -1073741515
> 
> Se provo ad avviare comunque QGIS mi dice che non trova qgis_app.dll
> 
> Ho provato a reinstallare ma senza successo.
> Ho provato a disinstallare tutto, cancellare tutta la cartella di
> installazione di osgeo4w e rienstallare ma il problema rimane.
> 
> Secondo voi è un problema di osgeo4w o è invece Windosw 10 a cui manca il
> file zip.dll ?
> Grazie per eventuali risposte

Ciao,
io uso la OSGeo4W network installer e ho anche io problemi.

Credo dipenda dal recente grosso aggiornamento realizzato da Juergen Fischer
[0];
in particolare a me non funziona più grass gis, ho problemi con ogr2ogr
ecc...
tutte cose che riguardano l'aggiormaneto.
spero che a brevissimo risolvano tutto.

saluti


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Re: [Qgis-user] English only list or Main list?

[Nicolas Cadieux]

Hi Jürgen,

You are not offended because you have probably never been repeatedly 
told not to speak German in Germany.  For people who do not live in a 
country where this is often the case, I understand they cannot relate to 
what I am stating.  My rant is culturally - country specific and 
perhaps, not appropriate for this forum.  I acknowledge this but I am 
tying to make people aware of a situation that can really tick people off.


I understand this list is primarily used by people who understand 
english and that this facilitates communication.  I usually publish in 
English, or write on this list in English for this very same reason.   I 
agree that pointing people to language specific list can help those who 
have a poor understanding, or no understanding of English.  I have done 
that in the past and have also translated messages from French or 
Spanish to English when I see unilingual posts, even when I don't know 
the answers to the questions. This way they can still get helped and 
others can benefit from the post as you point out. Unfortunately, the 
other lists that I have visited are not as dynamic as this one... but 
that's another story.


You don't get my last point because, in your case (and in the case of 
most developers) you have _chosen_ to communicate in English for all the 
good reasons and are not regularly mocked at when using your mother 
language in public.  You are not from a country where you are expected 
to speak in English and to make that effort while anglophones (in my 
case) are not making any efforts to communicate with you in French.  
While this is thankfully changing in Canada as more and more anglophones 
learn French and make the efforts (and are actually starting to realize 
the importance of learning more than just one language), this is not the 
case in other countries like the US where Spanish speaking people are 
often the target of outright racism and regularly told "this is an 
English speaking country".


I too appreciate the use of English in this list, specially when the 
writer is German, Austrian or from Iceland because Google translation 
just does not cut it when talking in technical terms. I am simply 
stating that this is a courtesy to be appreciated and not to be taken 
for granted.  While Europeans regularly speak many languages, this is a 
richness not appreciated in many parts of North America.


Yours truly,

Nicolas Cadieux


On 2018-10-19 10:22 AM, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:

Hi Nicolas,

On Fri, 19. Oct 2018 at 09:07:36 -0400, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:

This is a public rant.  I find it extremely offensive to read comments like
“this is the English list” to people who write to this list in any other
language than English.

I don't.  This is the main user list and it's in English - because that's the
language everyone here understands - if you don't understand English, there's
not much point subscribing in the first place.

Using a language other than that excludes the majority of the subscribers from
benefiting from what is being said and from contributing to the discussion.

And I don't find a response that clarifies this and also points to a better
suited list offensive either.  Maybe even with a English translation if the
original posting seems relevant to all.



If you disagree, please note that the QGIS site refers to this list as the
“The MAIN list for user questions: used for discussion of QGIS in general, as
well as specific questions regarding its installation and use.”  The MAIN
list... not the ENGLISH list. This message is also repeated in other
languages as can be seen here.
https://www.qgis.org/fr/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#
https://www.qgis.org/es/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#

Hm, that might be a translation issue.  We used to point to local lists there
(eg. fossgis-talk-li...@fossgis.de for German) - but that's apparently
meanwhile gone.If you are still offended, please keep in mind that QGIS is 
primarily, to my
knowledge, a European effort made by people who have German, Austrio-German,
Spanish, French, Italian and other as their first language and that they are
developing in English, their second, third or forth language.  You should be
grateful for their efforts to reach out the international community in a
language spoken a cross the world.
I don't get that point.   Developer's post in English here.  Developer's - at
least I do - also prefer others to post in English here.  And if somebody
posted in German, I'd probably point the person off-list to the above list.


Jürgen



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Re: [Qgis-user] English only list or Main list?

[Jürgen E . Fischer]

Hi Nicolas,

On Fri, 19. Oct 2018 at 09:07:36 -0400, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
> This is a public rant.  I find it extremely offensive to read comments like
> “this is the English list” to people who write to this list in any other
> language than English.

I don't.  This is the main user list and it's in English - because that's the
language everyone here understands - if you don't understand English, there's
not much point subscribing in the first place.

Using a language other than that excludes the majority of the subscribers from
benefiting from what is being said and from contributing to the discussion.

And I don't find a response that clarifies this and also points to a better
suited list offensive either.  Maybe even with a English translation if the
original posting seems relevant to all.


> If you disagree, please note that the QGIS site refers to this list as the
> “The MAIN list for user questions: used for discussion of QGIS in general, as
> well as specific questions regarding its installation and use.”  The MAIN
> list... not the ENGLISH list. This message is also repeated in other
> languages as can be seen here.

> https://www.qgis.org/fr/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#
> https://www.qgis.org/es/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#

Hm, that might be a translation issue.  We used to point to local lists there
(eg. fossgis-talk-li...@fossgis.de for German) - but that's apparently
meanwhile gone.

 
> If you are still offended, please keep in mind that QGIS is primarily, to my
> knowledge, a European effort made by people who have German, Austrio-German,
> Spanish, French, Italian and other as their first language and that they are
> developing in English, their second, third or forth language.  You should be
> grateful for their efforts to reach out the international community in a
> language spoken a cross the world.

I don't get that point.   Developer's post in English here.  Developer's - at
least I do - also prefer others to post in English here.  And if somebody
posted in German, I'd probably point the person off-list to the above list.


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[Qgis-user] English only list or Main list?

[Nicolas Cadieux]

Hi,

This is a public rant. I find it extremely offensive to read comments like 
“this is the English list” to people who write to this list in any other 
language than English.  While resent comments were also accompanied by genuine 
offers to help (therefore I consider that authors probably had only good 
intentions), please keep in mind that many people who use this list come from 
countries where comments like “speak English”  is often the equivalent to 
“speak white, speak American or speak canadien in my case”.   I realize this is 
not the case in every country but please be careful about this type of 
comments.  OpenSource community is about reaching out and helping others, not 
creating barriers.

If you disagree, please note that the QGIS site refers to this list as the “The 
MAIN list for user questions: used for discussion of QGIS in general, as well 
as specific questions regarding its installation and use.”  The MAIN list... 
not the ENGLISH list. This message is also repeated in other languages as can 
be seen here.
https://www.qgis.org/fr/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#
https://www.qgis.org/es/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#

If you are still offended, please keep in mind that QGIS is primarily, to my 
knowledge, a European effort made by people who have German, Austrio-German, 
Spanish, French, Italian and other as their first language and that they are 
developing in English, their second, third or forth language.  You should be 
grateful for their efforts to reach out the international community in a 
language spoken a cross the world.

Nicolas Cadieux








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Re: [Qgis-user] (no subject)

[nwastra]

...and what is the question?

N

> On 19 Oct 2018, at 10:20 pm, Amila Bajic  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, 
> 
> I'm working as a GIS consultant and my company and team are hiring for some 
> new clients. We are almost using QGIS, that why I'm asking here. Another 
> reason why I ask is because I read everyday your questions (learn a lot) and 
> I guess I could find somene's help here. If anyone have some idea, please let 
> me know. You can also send me private e-mail.
> 
> Thank you and sorry for bothering you all!!
> Best regards, 
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Re: [QGIS-it-user] grass gis non funziona più dall'ultimo aggiornamento di Juergen Fischer

[Totò]

Totò wrote
> salve lista,
> da quando Juergen Fischer ha fatto un grosso aggiornamento alla OSGeo4W
> non
> funziona più:
> grass gis standaolne, grass gis plugin e grass gis processing
> credo sia un problema legato alle librerie proj5 che non vengono
> riconosciute e quindi grass non crea la location.
> 
> Uso poco grass e ma a chi interessa chiedo di fasre dei test e ,
> eventualmente, aprire ticket.
> 
> saluti

wow, stamani hanno già reso dispobile - ben due volte - degli aggiornamenti,
io noto che funziona SOLO grass gis standalone e su qgis processing sembra
avere ancora un problema con python 7

ecco l'errore

Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"C:/OSGEO4~1/apps/qgis-dev/./python/plugins\processing\algs\grass7\Grass7Algorithm.py",
line 411, in processAlgorithm
Grass7Utils.executeGrass(self.commands, feedback, self.outputCommands)
File
"C:/OSGEO4~1/apps/qgis-dev/./python/plugins\processing\algs\grass7\Grass7Utils.py",
line 372, in executeGrass
for line in iter(proc.stdout.readline, ''):
File "C:\OSGEO4~1\apps\Python37\lib\codecs.py", line 322, in decode
(result, consumed) = self._buffer_decode(data, self.errors, final)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in position 50:
invalid continuation byte



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[Qgis-user] (no subject)

[Amila Bajic]

Hi everybody,

I'm working as a GIS consultant and my company and team are hiring for some
new clients. We are almost using QGIS, that why I'm asking here. Another
reason why I ask is because I read everyday your questions (learn a lot)
and I guess I could find somene's help here. If anyone have some idea,
please let me know. You can also send me private e-mail.

Thank you and sorry for bothering you all!!
Best regards,
Amila
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Re: [Qgis-user] Convertir líneas a Poligono (César Fernández)

[Ivan Santiago]

saludos


>Hola, estoy queriendo convertir líneas a polígonos con entidades que he 
>conformado de >dos capas en una y luego las uno entre si. Al transformar de 
>líneas a polígonos el >polígono se deforma.
>
>Agradezco la ayuda



Usas el mismo sistema de referencia espacial para las capas?

Cuál es el sistema de referencia?


Es lat-long?

Si es así, es posible que ese sea el problema


...Recuerda que este list es en inglés...


Do you use the same CRS?

Are you using lat-long coordinates?





Iván Santiago
GIS Specialist
Information Technologies
PR Office of Management and Budget
http://gis.pr.gov/


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Re: [QGIS-it-user] R: QGIS - Esportazione file

[Paolo Cavallini]

Salve,


Il 10/19/2018 11:27 AM, giorgio cucco ha scritto:
> Vi chiedo ancora un'informazione…. visto che come diceva Amedeo il
> problema è noto e dipende da "Qt" (insieme di librerie di QGIS), è
> possibile secondo voi aggirare l'ostacolo utilizzando delle librerie
> alternative? Ne dubito ma vale la pena provare ad intavolare il
> discorso… magari qualcuno sa darci indicazioni che io ignoro…r 
no, le librere Qt soono quelle con cui è scritto QGIS, ne fanno parte
integrante.
L'unica possibilità è contribuire alle Qt stesse, per far sì che il
problema venga risolto a monte.
Saluti.

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[QGIS-it-user] R: QGIS - Esportazione file

[giorgio cucco]

Ciao Amedo,
come programma di compressione di file pdf ho utilizzato "smallpdf" si tratta 
di una piattaforma online di editazione di file pdf gratuita. (con il limite di 
due elaborazioni ogni ora).
Per Martina,
grazie del consiglio, hai ragione esportando in vettoriale si possono perdere 
eventuali trasparenze se si hanno dei livelli raster posti sotto a quelli 
vettoriali. Lo terrò presente e grazie per il suggerimento sul come ovviare al 
problema.

Vi chiedo ancora un'informazione…. visto che come diceva Amedeo il problema è 
noto e dipende da "Qt" (insieme di librerie di QGIS), è possibile secondo voi 
aggirare l'ostacolo utilizzando delle librerie alternative? Ne dubito ma vale 
la pena provare ad intavolare il discorso… magari qualcuno sa darci indicazioni 
che io ignoro…
Grazie a tutti dell'attenzione.




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   3. Re: QGIS un po' di pubblicità su Repubblica Palermo
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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:08:28 +0200
From: Stefano Campus 
To: giorgio cucco 
Cc: Paolo Cavallini , Utenti QGIS it

Subject: Re: [QGIS-it-user] R: QGIS - Esportazione file
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Non sottovaluterei però l'esportare la tavola come tiff.


Il Mer 17 Ott 2018 17:00 giorgio cucco  ha
scritto:

> Grazie per il suggerimento,
> ho provato con due tavole che avevo già impaginato…. in un caso fleggando
> su "stampa come raster" il peso del pdf si riduce un po', ma nell'altro
> caso invece il peso del pdf è addirittura aumentato….. Credo che dipenda
> dalla presenza o meno nell'impaginazione di immagini raster o layer VMS.
> Però credo di aver trovato una soluzione non ottimale ma comunque utile al
> mio fine. Con la versione 3.2.0 di QGIS è possibile esportare il PDF in
>  vettoriale, fleggango nel pannello opzioni di esportazione su "Always
> export as vectors" esportandolo in vettoriale a 300dpi si ottiene un
> file ottimale da un punto di vista qualitativo ma il peso del pdf resta
> elevato. Dopo procedo con la compressione del pdf con un programma di
> compressione, anche di quelli opensource disponibili on-line e ottengo un
> file di dimensioni contenute che essendo di derivazione vettoriale
>  mantiene una buona qualità grafica , migliore del corrispettivo raster,
> che se viene compresso perde di definizione.
> L'esportazione di file pdf resta però una carenza intrinseca a QGIS. Nel
> tuo messaggio dicevi che è un problema noto che dipende da "Qt". Scusa
> l'ignoranza, cos'è "Qt"?
>
>
>
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> *Oggetto:* Re: [QGIS-it-user] QGIS - Esportazione file
>
> È un problema noto, che dipende da Qt.
> Hai provato la stampa come raster?
> Saluti.
>
> Il 17 ottobre 2018 14:08:11 CEST, giorgio cucco 
> ha scritto:
>
> Buongiorno,
> Sono un architetto, da circa due anni utilizzo QGIS per la redazioni di
> strumenti di pianificazione urbanistica di livello comunale (PRGC), ho
> riscontrato un problema in merito all'esportazione in formato pdf degli
> elaborati. I file esportati per avere buona qualità grafica devono essere
> esportati almeno a 150 o 200 dpi e in quei casi si ottengono file pdf
> piuttosto pesanti, e comunque decisamente più pesanti dei corrispettivi
> file esportati sempre in formato pdf da programmi analoghi come Mapinfo o
> ArcGIS. Diversamente l'esportazione in formato JPEG permette di ottimizzare
> un po' di più il 

[QGIS-it-user] grass gis non funziona più dall'ultimo aggiornamento di Juergen Fischer

[Totò]

salve lista,
da quando Juergen Fischer ha fatto un grosso aggiornamento alla OSGeo4W non
funziona più:
grass gis standaolne, grass gis plugin e grass gis processing
credo sia un problema legato alle librerie proj5 che non vengono
riconosciute e quindi grass non crea la location.

Uso poco grass e ma a chi interessa chiedo di fasre dei test e ,
eventualmente, aprire ticket.

saluti



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Re: [Qgis-user] Convertir líneas a Poligono

[Jorge Gustavo Rocha]

Hi César,

We use English in this list.

Please send us a screenshot or something to see the initial lines
(input) and the generated polygon (output), to see how it is deformed.

Regards,

Jorge

Às 20:36 de 18/10/18, César Fernández escreveu:
>  
> 
> Hola, estoy queriendo convertir líneas a polígonos con entidades que he
> conformado de dos capas en una y luego las uno entre si. Al transformar
> de líneas a polígonos el polígono se deforma.
> 
>  
> 
> Agradezco la ayuda
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> César Fernández C.
> +593 99 538 5423
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> ceferc...@hotmail.com
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[Qgis-user] Can anyone confirm corrupted QGS-Files?

[Kai Borgolte]

Hello,

today it's the second time my coworker worked on a corrupt QGS file.
Some content like layouts, symbology and labelling are not complete.
Last time he continued to work on the file, and the file size was a
quarter from qgs~. Today he quit QGIS without saving and the file seems
OK, so the corruption seems to introduce at load time.

He is using QGIS 3.2.2 on Windows10.

Does someone else see these problems?
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Re: [Qgis-user] unable to install QGIS with OSGEO4W on windows 7

[Antongeo76]

Reginald wrote
> Hi,
> 
> When trying to install QGIS with OSGEO4W64 installer on the PC of a fellow
> worker, everytime I get an error:
> crssync.exe : zip.dll is missing. you need to install it again
> Then when restarting and trying to run QGIS I get a dialogue that says: 
> you need to check qgis-bin.env and correct invalid entries or something
> like
> that How can I completely remove qgis on a windows 7 pc and install qgis
> 3?
> I uninstalled qgis with software panel from windows.
> Then I deleted the OSGEO4W folder.
> Then I tried deleting qgis instances in regedit but that failed.
> Is there a way to copy the zip.dll from somewhere and paste it in the
> right
> place?
> Why isn't OSGEO4W installer setting the right env variables?
> You see, a lot of questions, but QGIS is a big program and has a lot of
> possibilities ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
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Hi Reginald,

please read this post where there are some solutions

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Re: [QGIS-it-user] problema file zip.dll

[alper78]

Totò wrote
> Ciao,
> io uso la OSGeo4W network installer e ho anche io problemi.
> 
> Credo dipenda dal recente grosso aggiornamento realizzato da Juergen
> Fischer
> [0];
> in particolare a me non funziona più grass gis, ho problemi con ogr2ogr
> ecc...
> tutte cose che riguardano l'aggiormaneto.
> spero che a brevissimo risolvano tutto.
> 
> saluti
> 
> 
> [0]
> http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/aggiornamenti-osgeo4w-td5381976.html

Grazie per l'avvertimento,
allora aspetterò ancora qualche giorno,
comunque io ho installato GRASS attraverso osgeo4w (64bit) e mi sembra
funzionare o meglio si avvia senza problemi ma non ho ancora provato ad
usarlo (in realtà sono anni che non lo uso più direttamente ma solo
attraverso QGIS)




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