Re: [Qgis-user] Re: Annoying CRS-Problem with EPSG 31468 / 2167: Conclusions?

[bernhard . stroebl]

Am 30.03.2012 19:44, schrieb Etienne Tourigny:

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:23 AM,  wrote:

Etienne,

I see this stuff from a user's point of view. I am currently not working
with different projections but my projects are EPSG:31468 and my data, too.
So this is my perspective. I am neither a geodesist nor did I dig into how
different software handles srs or prj files. All that I know is that QGIS
(1.7.4) imports EPSG:31468 shape files as EPSG:2167 because it does neither
evaluate the DATUM["D_Deutsches_Hauptdreiecksnetz" nor the
SPHEROID["Bessel_1841" infos given.
Trunk creates a user-defined SRS and does not apply EPSG:31468 either.
I would prefer QGIS to recognize the shape file as being EPSG:31468.


Strictly speaking it is not exactly EPSG:31468 (that would require the
AUTHORITY node, which .prj files do not have), but the PROJ.4 string
should match that of EPSG:31468, at least.


yup


That is the problem with .prj files, it`s not easy to relate them to EPSG.


then I would like to come back to my former suggestion: analyze the prj 
file and find any matching EPSG-code

one EPSG -> OK but tell user
several -> let user choose (and probably remember choice)
none -> ask user





Am 30.03.2012 03:23, schrieb Etienne Tourigny:
[snip]






You can also play with the command line and see what comes up.

GDAL_FIX_ESRI_WKT=GEOGCS gdalsrsinfo file.prj




PROJ.4 : '+proj=tmerc +lat_0=0 +lon_0=12 +k=1 +x_0=450 +y_0=0
+ellps=bessel +towgs84=598.1,73.7,418.2,0.202,0.045,-2.455,6.7 +units=m
+no_defs '


GDAL_FIX_ESRI_WKT=TOWGS84 gdalsrsinfo file.prj




PROJ.4 : '+proj=tmerc +lat_0=0 +lon_0=12 +k=1 +x_0=450 +y_0=0
+ellps=bessel +towgs84=598.1,73.7,418.2,0.202,0.045,-2.455,6.7 +units=m
+no_defs '


GDAL_FIX_ESRI_WKT=NO gdalsrsinfo file.prj




PROJ.4 : '+proj=tmerc +lat_0=0 +lon_0=12 +k=1 +x_0=450 +y_0=0
+datum=potsdam +units=m +no_defs '

This would be my preferred parameters as datum=potsdam can be different
towgs84 parameters in different locations



How would this be decided? By the user or some magic way?



The user can change it with the plugin "Coordinate Systems Updater". You
see: if the datum gets translated into a towgs84 parameter and the
projection is matched based on this then if a different user-defined towgs84
paramter exists the right projection is not found.
according to http://mapref.org/GeodeticReferenceSystemsDE.html#Zweig733 the
towgs84=598.1,73.7,418.2,0.202,0.045,-2.455,6.7
is applicable for the whole country of Germany
but local towgs84 parameters may differ



Then it makes sense to have those +towgs84 parameters as the default,
if you leave them out then you get an incorrect datum shift.


agreed






This sort of contradicts your statement that it should be recognized
as EPSG:31468 because that code is NOT potsdam datum (in GDAL/OGR
anyway)



AFAIK the DHDN is the realisation of the Potsdam Datum see e.g. here:
http://georepository.com/datum_6314/Deutsches-Hauptdreiecksnetz.html
so in the prj file it is called DATUM["Deutsches_Hauptdreiecksnetz" whereas
Proj4 says +datum=potsdam ; both mean the same


OK

Using proj-4.7.1 and gdal-1.9 the +datum=potsdam gives different
towgs84 parameters than EPSG:4314. This has been fixed in proj-4.8.
Could this contribute to the problem?


I would not think so, as it is just another towgs84 parameter set which 
gives a different position when making a 7-parameter transformation


$ gdalsrsinfo '+proj=tmerc +lat_0=0 +lon_0=12 +k=1 +x_0=450 +y_0=0
+datum=potsdam +units=m +no_defs '

PROJ.4 : '+proj=tmerc +lat_0=0 +lon_0=12 +k=1 +x_0=450 +y_0=0
+ellps=bessel +towgs84=606,23,413,0,0,0,0 +units=m +no_defs '

$ gdalsrsinfo EPSG:4314

PROJ.4 : '+proj=longlat +ellps=bessel
+towgs84=598.1,73.7,418.2,0.202,0.045,-2.455,6.7 +no_defs '







However the problem persists that QGIS does not recognize the projection
as
EPSG:31468 no matter if I set it to GEOGCS, TOWGS84 or NO!
Neiter does it detect the correct projction from the prj file QGIS itself
created.



The GEOGCS option to GDAL_FIX_ESRI_WKT fixes the GEOGCS authority
node, but not the root node which is a PROJCS (see example below)!
Trying to match all possible projections can be more challenging than
matching the possible geogcs definitions. It is possible, but I didn't
get there yet.

Just to make sure I understand - is the expected behaviour in QGis
(from you POV) to see the file as EPSG:31468 with the TOWGS84
parameters seen above? Or the more generic 'potsdam' datum?



Maybe it would be better to see the towgs84 parameters (as defined by QGIS
default or the user via the plugin) but
1) it must be imported as EPSG:31468 (and not as user-defined)
2) if saving to shapefile only the DATUM["Deutsches_Hauptdreiecksnetz" must
be written (as QGIS does) and IMHO not the
TOWGS84[598.1,73.7,418.2,0.202,0.045,-2.455,6.7]


I agree. What is written to .prj file by QGis when you choose EPSG:31468 ?


1.7.4: 
PROJCS["DHDN_3_degree_Gauss_Kruger_zone_4",GEOGCS["GCS_DHDN",DATUM["D_Deutsches_Haup

Re: [Qgis-user] Re: Closure of forum

[alain]

Hi all,

I'll just describe which QGIS user I'am, and how I try to grab knowledge 
on QGIS.


- I'm not a GIS professional, just use some basic features (open a file, 
look at some data, sometimes some process). I'm not a scientific user
- QGIS is my favourite, mainly because it's open source, and it's "swiss 
knife" functions. I use it every day since a year
- I can write basic python plugins, for very specific needs (proprietary 
and weird formats)


At the beginning, I tried to use the qgis forum. I think there are many 
useful posts, but it's not easy to find what you're looking for, mainly 
because of the search engine. Well, anyway, Google may lead you to the 
right post! So, it may be useful to keep the forum online, closed or not.


I realized that the Qgis user's manual contains the essential, and read 
it (in french!)...

I surfed to blogs like linfiniti.com
I watched youtube qgis videos
I subscribed to this list and followed new developments from here, and 
read many interesting mails that helped me to understand some advanced 
features.
For plugins, spent hours in QGIS API to understand "how to", read some 
plugins code, and used "copy /paste".


Don't know yet what Stack Exchange is. I'll never use Facebook.

What may be the right criteria to choose the way to organized QGIS 
documentation on the web is QGIS (small?) team time. Many new users will 
still ask questions they can solve just by reading user's manual, 
whatever you do. Learning a new GIS software is also time consuming, but 
there are already many ways to get the right information you need about 
QGIS on the web. To me, QGIS on the web looks a bit like the software 
itself. Many, many things, but scattered. You often need 2 or more 
plugins to achieve what you want to do, use differently organized 
dialogs, etc... But it's also its strength.
The forum closure won't be an issue for users, as far as they can find 
what they need somewhere else. Someone who need information will use 
forum, or mailing list, or stack exchange, or what you want, because 
that's the way QGIS developers choosed to do it, and that's where it is.


Alain

P.S: Sorry for my awful english.








Le 01/04/12 22:37, Yves Jacolin (free) a écrit :

Martin, all,

Le dimanche 1 avril 2012 14:59:51, gene a écrit :

ESRI has forums and there are also many questions on Gis - Stack Exchange,
and that's not a problem.

The problem is that managing forum, ML, etc. is time consuming and we have
definitively not the budget of ESRI and at this moment QGIS community is far
from the ESRI one. So you can't compare them.

I really think that if the community needs forum or whatever else, there is no
problem to create one. Just **do** it!

In France we created a forum with ML linked each other. We can answer question
to QGIS and some other topics. Everybody can do the same! It is not easy and
time consuming but you can do it.


Y.

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Re: [Qgis-user] Re: Closure of forum

[Yves Jacolin (free)]

Martin, all,

Le dimanche 1 avril 2012 14:59:51, gene a écrit :
> ESRI has forums and there are also many questions on Gis - Stack Exchange,
> and that's not a problem.
The problem is that managing forum, ML, etc. is time consuming and we have 
definitively not the budget of ESRI and at this moment QGIS community is far 
from the ESRI one. So you can't compare them.

I really think that if the community needs forum or whatever else, there is no 
problem to create one. Just **do** it!

In France we created a forum with ML linked each other. We can answer question 
to QGIS and some other topics. Everybody can do the same! It is not easy and 
time consuming but you can do it.


Y.
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[Qgis-user] Re: [Qgis-developer] SEXTANTE for QGIS has been released

[Radim Blazek]

JFYI,

AttributeError: 'QLineEdit' object has no attribute 'setPlaceholderText'

setPlaceholderText was introduced in Qt 4.7.

QT_MIN_VERSION  in QGIS is 4.4.0.

Radim

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Victor Olaya  wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I am glad to announce that a first (tagged as 'experimental') version
> SEXTANTE for QGIS has been released. It includes, among other things:
>
> -Full support for SAGA algorithms
> -ftool(vector processes) and mmqgis algorithms (these are not only
> added to be used directly, but also as real examples of how to create
> new algorithms or migrate existing ones into the SEXTANTE platform)
> -Support for user-defined R scripts
> -Support for user defined Python scripts
> -Graphical modeler
> -Batch processing interface
> -History
>
> You can download it using the QGIS plugin installer
>
> Please, read the manual before using the plugin. You can access it
> selecting the "SEXTANTE help" option in the SEXTANTE menu.
>
> This version is still missing some functionalities, but should be
> fully usable. Users should be particularly aware of the following
> issues:
>
> -External applications (SAGA and R) have been tested mostly on
> Windows, but not so much in Linux, so problems might appear on that
> platform. No testing has been done at all under Mac OS.
> -GRASS algorithms have been deactivated, in order to have a working
> version as soon as possible. We hope to have GRASS incorporated into
> the set of available algorithms pretty soon
> -Although most algorithms support multiple formats for their ouput
> layers, these are currently limited to tiff for raster layers,
> shapefiles for vector layers and dbf files for tables. This can be
> changed easily and will be done in a next version
> -Calling external applications might not work if using layers such as
> those coming from remote services or DB connections. Please, use just
> file-based data by now (we are working on improving that as well, but
> it might take time... ;-) )
> -Using tables (and also opening those generated by geoalgorithms) is
> still a bit in development, since there is no built-in default method
> of opening independent tables. By now, attribute tables of vector
> layers can be used, but only if these are in shapefile format (since
> we can refer to the associated dbf file). We expect to change this
> soon, probably creating some plugin to improve that handling of
> independent tables (or if anyone can point us to an existing one that
> can be coupled with SEXTANTE, that good be even better...)
>
> Once again, read the manual before trying it, as it will greatly help
> you to understand SEXTANTE and what you can do with it.
>
> For developers: I know a lot of documentation is needed...hope to have
> that solved soon (or at least start to solve it). A SEXTANTE for QGIS
> developers manual is also on its way... there is already a mechanism
> to create QGIS plugins that register new algorithms in SEXTANTE
> (thanks to Alexander Bruy for the suggestion!), but still has to be
> documented. I am currently working on an well documented example case,
> to be released soon as well
>
> Of course, all bug reports and comments are welcome, since this is
> still a beta version.
>
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[Qgis-user] Re: Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[gene]

only ftools and mmqgis works, with problems, but they are already present in
QGIS plugins

For example, the help calls :
subprocess.call(('xdg-open', filename))

but no xdg-open in standard Mac OS X:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/264395/linux-equivalent-of-the-mac-os-x-open-command
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/264395/linux-equivalent-of-the-mac-os-x-open-command
 

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[Qgis-user] Google Layers problem on MacOS

[Julian Bogdani]

Hello,
I have some problem with the Google layers Plugin on QGIS 1.7.4-4 and QGIS 1.9 
on MacOS (10.6.8): the SETTINGS dialog is not opening anymore. I'm able to get 
the googlemap raster downloaded and correctly loaded in the project, but I can 
not change the map type (can not use settings!).



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[Qgis-user] Re: Closure of forum

[gene]

I also think that a project like QGIS should have its own solution and do not
rely on Gis - Stack Exchange.
For me,it is a catch-all where beginners have difficulty finding their way
and they don't dare to ask questions (with a well organized forum, they know
where to ask questions or find a solution)

ESRI has forums and there are also many questions on Gis - Stack Exchange,
and that's not a problem.

.


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[Qgis-user] Re: Closure of forum

[Nick Hopton]

It's difficult. The people who don't like forums don't like them because
forums don't take a nice, clean, top-down, structured approach. This is true
of course, forums are informal, are quite often rambling, but they can also
be very friendly places.

I don't know how many people have downloaded and installed QGIS over the
years. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, perhaps. My guess would be
that most of these people were not trained GIS professionals at all and they
won't have nice, top-down structured brains. They'll be like me, wanting to
start in the middle with something they half-understand and then work
outwards from there. I don't think that Stack Exchange will suit them (for
reasons that I mentioned earlier) nor I think will this place (Quantum GIS -
User).

For what it's worth, I still believe that QGIS needs an informal, friendly
place of first resort for newcomers and the less-experienced. Everyone has
to start somewhere and the most important thing is to get them doing
something, anything. Plot a few GPS tracks, trace a few shapes from Google
Earth and turn them into a map, anything to get them going.

Having said all this, I still don't know about the best way forward. The old
forum was good, Google Groups are good too. As suggested, even a new list on
Nabble perhaps, informal and aimed at newcomers and the less-experienced, a
beginners corner. A new list on Nabble would at least fit into an existing
hierarchy, if this is important.

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Re: [Qgis-user] Re: Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[Noli Sicad]

Thank you!

I am not getting that URL.

Now, I am getting SEXANTE using the URL that you supplied.

Thanks.

Noli



On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani  wrote:
> http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/plugins.xml
>
>
> -
> Julian Bogdani
> jbogd...@gmail.com
> http://bradypus.net
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:57 , Noli Sicad wrote:
>
>> I did what you outlined, SEXTANTE is not showing.
>>
>> Could you just tell me what is the URL of the QGIS Official Repository 2?
>>
>> Just click Edit and you will see the URL, the second line.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Noli
>>
>> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani  wrote:
>>> In QGIS:
>>> Plugins > Fetch Python Plugins
>>>
>>> Repositories: "Add third party repositories"
>>>
>>> Options: select "Show all, even those marked as experimental"
>>>
>>> Plugins: filter type sextante
>>>
>>> You'll see it in the list (under repository you'll find QGIS Official
>>> Repository 2), go ahead and install.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Julian Bogdani
>>> jbogd...@gmail.com
>>> http://bradypus.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:34 , Noli Sicad wrote:
>>>
 What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.

 It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.

 Thanks.

 Noli



 On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani  wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I
> was
> able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2,
> but
> SAGA does not work.
> Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:
>
> ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012
> 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines
> "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp
> -ORDER
> "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES
> /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console
> output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd:
> command
> not found
>
>
>
> -
> Julian Bogdani
> jbogd...@gmail.com
> http://bradypus.net
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:
>
>> I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>> ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>>
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Re: [Qgis-user] Re: Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[Julian Bogdani]

http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/plugins.xml


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On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:57 , Noli Sicad wrote:

> I did what you outlined, SEXTANTE is not showing.
> 
> Could you just tell me what is the URL of the QGIS Official Repository 2?
> 
> Just click Edit and you will see the URL, the second line.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Noli
> 
> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani  wrote:
>> In QGIS:
>> Plugins > Fetch Python Plugins
>> 
>> Repositories: "Add third party repositories"
>> 
>> Options: select "Show all, even those marked as experimental"
>> 
>> Plugins: filter type sextante
>> 
>> You'll see it in the list (under repository you'll find QGIS Official
>> Repository 2), go ahead and install.
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Julian Bogdani
>> jbogd...@gmail.com
>> http://bradypus.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:34 , Noli Sicad wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.
>>> 
>>> It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Noli
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani  wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was
 able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but
 SAGA does not work.
 Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:
 
 ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012
 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
 INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines
 "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp
 -ORDER
 "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES
 /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
 INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console
 output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd:
 command
 not found
 
 
 
 -
 Julian Bogdani
 jbogd...@gmail.com
 http://bradypus.net
 
 
 
 
 
 On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:
 
> I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
> ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Qgis-user] Re: Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[Noli Sicad]

I did what you outlined, SEXTANTE is not showing.

Could you just tell me what is the URL of the QGIS Official Repository 2?

Just click Edit and you will see the URL, the second line.

Thanks.

Noli

On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani  wrote:
> In QGIS:
> Plugins > Fetch Python Plugins
>
> Repositories: "Add third party repositories"
>
> Options: select "Show all, even those marked as experimental"
>
> Plugins: filter type sextante
>
> You'll see it in the list (under repository you'll find QGIS Official
> Repository 2), go ahead and install.
>
>
> -
> Julian Bogdani
> jbogd...@gmail.com
> http://bradypus.net
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:34 , Noli Sicad wrote:
>
>> What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.
>>
>> It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Noli
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was
>>> able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but
>>> SAGA does not work.
>>> Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:
>>>
>>> ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012
>>> 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
>>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines
>>> "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp
>>> -ORDER
>>> "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES
>>> /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
>>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console
>>> output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd:
>>> command
>>> not found
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Julian Bogdani
>>> jbogd...@gmail.com
>>> http://bradypus.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:
>>>
 I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
 http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
 http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
 ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.




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[Qgis-user] Re: Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[gene]

The main problem is (from manual.pdf)
"SAGA algorithms can be run from SEXTANTE if you have SAGA installed in your
system and you configure SEXTANTE properly so it can find SAGA executables.
In particular, the SAGA command–line executable is needed to run SAGA
algorithms. SAGA binaries are not included with SEXTANTE, so you have to
download and install the software yourself. Please check the SAGA website at
for more information."

and no SAGA for Mac OS X (I tried to compile it but without success)

"The first thing you have to do, as we saw in the case of SAGA, is to tell
SEXTANTE where you R binaries are located. You can do so using the R folder
entry in the SEXTANTE configuration dialog. Once you have set that
parameter, you can start creating your own R scripts and executing them"
no  R folder entry

and in all the Python scripts
 if .isWindows():
and if not -> Linux





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Re: [Qgis-user] Re: Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[Julian Bogdani]

In QGIS:
Plugins > Fetch Python Plugins

Repositories: "Add third party repositories"

Options: select "Show all, even those marked as experimental"

Plugins: filter type sextante

You'll see it in the list (under repository you'll find QGIS Official 
Repository 2), go ahead and install.


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On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:34 , Noli Sicad wrote:

> What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.
> 
> It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Noli
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was
>> able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but
>> SAGA does not work.
>> Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:
>> 
>> ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012
>> 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines
>> "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp -ORDER
>> "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES
>> /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console
>> output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd: command
>> not found
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Julian Bogdani
>> jbogd...@gmail.com
>> http://bradypus.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:
>> 
>>> I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
>>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>>> ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Qgis-user] Re: Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[Noli Sicad]

What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.

It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.

Thanks.

Noli



On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani  wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was
> able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but
> SAGA does not work.
> Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:
>
> ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012
> 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines
> "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp -ORDER
> "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES
> /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console
> output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd: command
> not found
>
>
>
> -
> Julian Bogdani
> jbogd...@gmail.com
> http://bradypus.net
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:
>
>> I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>> ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Qgis-user] Re: Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[Julian Bogdani]

Hello,
I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was able 
to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but SAGA does 
not work.
Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:

ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012 
12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines "Convert 
Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp -ORDER "cat1" 
-SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console 
output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd: command 
not found



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On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:

> I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from 
> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
> ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Qgis-user] Re: Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[gene]

I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from 
http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R. 




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Re: [Qgis-user] Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[Noli Sicad]

I should suppose to work with Mac OS X as well.

Where did you get this statement?

 - *SEXTANTE plugin for QGIS is not made for Mac, only for Windows and Linux*.

You should add SEXTANTE repository for the plugin.

Visit http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/sextante/ for details.

Add it and click experimental.

Noli

On 4/1/12, gene  wrote:
> Hello,
> I am a user of QGIS (and GRASS GIS and gvSIG, and...) on Mac OS X and not a
> C, C + + or Java developer : I use Python in all developments and I'm happy
> because I can do anything in the Python consoles of the softwares. I am also
> a member of OSGeo-Fr.
>
> I simply note that there are more and more people using these software on
> Mac OS X but everything is done for Linux and Windows, without even mention
> Mac OS X as if it did not exist for the developers.
>
> Only one person, William Kyngesburye (thank to him who saves us) provides
> all these softwares for the Mac Users (and also C. Barton for GRASS GIS) and
> the port of GvSIG is still "experimental"...
> *SEXTANTE plugin for QGIS is not made for Mac, only for Windows and Linux*.
> There is no SAGA for Mac, for example, and I can install SEXTANTE but the
> SAGA algorithms does not work (even the R algorithms does not work while I
> can use R in GRASS GIS or QGIS without problems).
> Yet the new *gvSIG Community Edition* has an extension SEXTANTE with SAGA
> modules that work on Mac.
>
> So what is the role of Mac OS X users (not developers) if developers use
> Linux and the majority of users are using Windows or Linux ?  Tell the
> students or beginners , change of OS ?
>
> I do not want to offend anyone but most users are not developers and the
> only thing they want is to use the program. *In the case of QGIS for Mac,
> all works well (thanks William) but there are problems with some plugins* I
> always try to transmit the bugs encountered to William Kyngesburye but I
> understand  he can not solve everything alone, especially if it's problems
> with plugins. As I know Python, I can solve some but not all.
> I also understand that most developers are on Linux but Mac OS X is also a
> Unix (FreeBSD based), unlike Windows.
>
> So, what can we do to help if we are not programmers ?
>
>
>
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Re: [Qgis-user] Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[Giovanni Manghi]

> So, what can we do to help if we are not programmers ?

you may want to consider start supporting the project/core
devedlopers/plugins developers asking to fix what bugs you more under
OsX.

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Re: [Qgis-user] Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[Giovanni Manghi]

> So, what can we do to help if we are not programmers ?

you may want to consider start supporting the project/core
devedlopers/plugins developers asking to fix what bugs you more under
OsX.

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[Qgis-user] Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[gene]

Hello,
I am a user of QGIS (and GRASS GIS and gvSIG, and...) on Mac OS X and not a
C, C + + or Java developer : I use Python in all developments and I'm happy
because I can do anything in the Python consoles of the softwares. I am also
a member of OSGeo-Fr.

I simply note that there are more and more people using these software on
Mac OS X but everything is done for Linux and Windows, without even mention
Mac OS X as if it did not exist for the developers.

Only one person, William Kyngesburye (thank to him who saves us) provides
all these softwares for the Mac Users (and also C. Barton for GRASS GIS) and
the port of GvSIG is still "experimental"...
*SEXTANTE plugin for QGIS is not made for Mac, only for Windows and Linux*.
There is no SAGA for Mac, for example, and I can install SEXTANTE but the
SAGA algorithms does not work (even the R algorithms does not work while I
can use R in GRASS GIS or QGIS without problems). 
Yet the new *gvSIG Community Edition* has an extension SEXTANTE with SAGA
modules that work on Mac.

So what is the role of Mac OS X users (not developers) if developers use
Linux and the majority of users are using Windows or Linux ?  Tell the
students or beginners , change of OS ?

I do not want to offend anyone but most users are not developers and the
only thing they want is to use the program. *In the case of QGIS for Mac,
all works well (thanks William) but there are problems with some plugins* I
always try to transmit the bugs encountered to William Kyngesburye but I
understand  he can not solve everything alone, especially if it's problems
with plugins. As I know Python, I can solve some but not all.
I also understand that most developers are on Linux but Mac OS X is also a
Unix (FreeBSD based), unlike Windows.

So, what can we do to help if we are not programmers ?



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Re: [Qgis-user] Closure of forum

[Mats Elfström]

Hi!
According to qgis.org, there are ten (10) current mailing lists for Qgis.
If there is a need to fragment the communication that much, maybe a
traditional forum with subgroups would be a better idea than my proposal
for a Google group. I feel mailing lists are outdated.
There are a lot of forum services to choose from.

Regards, Mats.E

Den 1 april 2012 10:11 skrev MORREALE Jean Roc :

> The point of the forum closure is to avoid fragmentation of the greatest
> and the rarest resource we have to share with the users : brains.
>
> So unless you can keep a google group in sync with the official list ,
> using a new place will not improve the situation in this regard.
>
> Le 01/04/2012 08:50, Mats Elfström a écrit :
>
>> Hi! Simply find Google Groups and look there for QGISGRASS. Then
>> apply for membership. At the moment, only members can view topics.
>> Personally, I'm in favor of open groups, but this is at the managers
>>  discretion. Making the group free to read, but with restricted
>> posting is a good alternative.
>>
>> Google Groups works very well for the MapInfo forum, MapInfo-L, and
>> the FME forum FME Talk. I am a member of both. Every participant can
>> choose how to take part in the forum, from receiving every post as
>> e-mail, abridged daily summaries, or only reading it on the web.
>>
>> Regards, Mats.E
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 31 mars 2012 20:50 skrev Mark Hall > >:
>>
>>
>> How does one join the QGISGRASS group?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mats Elfström > > *To:* Nick
>> Hopton
>> mailto:nhop...@gmail.com>> *Cc:*
>> qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org 
>> 
>> *Sent:*
>> Sat, March 31, 2012 10:30:52 AM *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Closure of
>>
>> forum
>>
>> Hi! Start a Google Qgis group, or join the existing QGISGRASS group.
>> That way all is taken care of, and no one needs to host or administer
>> the thing. It could be fully open, or for registered users only.
>>
>> Regards, Mats.E
>>
>>
>> Den 31 mars 2012 19:10 skrev Nick Hopton > >:
>>
>>
>> I read QGIS-User on Nabble, where the posts on the closure of the
>> forum appear somehow to have got mixed up with the Sextante thread,
>> so forgive me for starting a new thread.
>>
>> The closure is a done deal I suppose but I think it will be harmful
>> to QGIS. Forum users are now being pointed to Stack Exchange but many
>> of them will, I believe, take one look at Stack Exchange and run a
>> mile. The Stack Exchange GIS FAQ makes it quite clear that SE is
>> intended for "...cartographers, database administrators, geographers,
>> programmers, and anyone interested in or using GIS professionally."
>>
>> I don't fit into any one of these categories, nor I think would many
>> of the people who used to post on the forum. They tended to be
>> newcomers to QGIS, or people who make maps and use GIS as just a part
>> of their job, or as part of a recreational activity, or any
>> combination of the three. Some of them will be young and engaged in
>> things like school projects. It would be nice to think that these
>> people will shift to SE, but I can't see this happening. But we'll
>> soon be able to tell, if things work as hoped a lot of newby-type
>> questions should soon start appearing on SE. It will be interesting
>> to see the responses.
>>
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[Qgis-user] Re: sextante plugin on mac

[Victor Olaya]

> success. Some ftools modules work (centroids, line to polygons, polygons to
> line, voronoi polygons) as expected where other produce not visible results
> (e.g. basic statics or nna, that pop up a new window but with anything
> visible in there),

Can you check if it creates the HTML file (the one that contais the
output, which you should enter in the textbox)? Maybe it is just a
problem loading it, or maybe it is not even generating it

> but others complaint about python (e.g. sextante help, or
> line intersections).

Line intersection is fixed. The problem with help is that it calls the
default application for opening the pdf manual. I prepared it to work
on linux and windows...but not on mac, so basically it should be
trying to open it like it does in linux, which I gess it is not
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Re: [Qgis-user] Closure of forum

[Maxim Dubinin]

did someone ask "brains" (active on the forum) what they think before closing?

Вы писали 1 апреля 2012 г., 12:11:30:

MJR> The point of the forum closure is to avoid fragmentation of the greatest
MJR> and the rarest resource we have to share with the users : brains.

MJR> So unless you can keep a google group in sync with the official list ,
MJR> using a new place will not improve the situation in this regard.

MJR> Le 01/04/2012 08:50, Mats Elfström a écrit :
>> Hi! Simply find Google Groups and look there for QGISGRASS. Then
>> apply for membership. At the moment, only members can view topics.
>> Personally, I'm in favor of open groups, but this is at the managers
>>  discretion. Making the group free to read, but with restricted
>> posting is a good alternative.
>>
>> Google Groups works very well for the MapInfo forum, MapInfo-L, and
>> the FME forum FME Talk. I am a member of both. Every participant can
>> choose how to take part in the forum, from receiving every post as
>> e-mail, abridged daily summaries, or only reading it on the web.
>>
>> Regards, Mats.E
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 31 mars 2012 20:50 skrev Mark Hall > >:
>>
>> How does one join the QGISGRASS group?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mats Elfström > > *To:* Nick Hopton
>> mailto:nhop...@gmail.com>> *Cc:*
>> qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org  *Sent:*
>> Sat, March 31, 2012 10:30:52 AM *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Closure of
>> forum
>>
>> Hi! Start a Google Qgis group, or join the existing QGISGRASS group.
>> That way all is taken care of, and no one needs to host or administer
>> the thing. It could be fully open, or for registered users only.
>>
>> Regards, Mats.E
>>
>>
>> Den 31 mars 2012 19:10 skrev Nick Hopton > >:
>>
>> I read QGIS-User on Nabble, where the posts on the closure of the
>> forum appear somehow to have got mixed up with the Sextante thread,
>> so forgive me for starting a new thread.
>>
>> The closure is a done deal I suppose but I think it will be harmful
>> to QGIS. Forum users are now being pointed to Stack Exchange but many
>> of them will, I believe, take one look at Stack Exchange and run a
>> mile. The Stack Exchange GIS FAQ makes it quite clear that SE is
>> intended for "...cartographers, database administrators, geographers,
>> programmers, and anyone interested in or using GIS professionally."
>>
>> I don't fit into any one of these categories, nor I think would many
>> of the people who used to post on the forum. They tended to be
>> newcomers to QGIS, or people who make maps and use GIS as just a part
>> of their job, or as part of a recreational activity, or any
>> combination of the three. Some of them will be young and engaged in
>> things like school projects. It would be nice to think that these
>> people will shift to SE, but I can't see this happening. But we'll
>> soon be able to tell, if things work as hoped a lot of newby-type
>> questions should soon start appearing on SE. It will be interesting
>> to see the responses.


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Re: [Qgis-user] Closure of forum

[Alister Hood]

Hi guys,
Lately it seems to me that too many long threads have been copied to both the 
user and the developer list when they are really oriented towards developers or 
"super users" such as those who are likely to run brand new experimental 
plugins.  
If the forum is gone, could there be a policy to strongly discourage this?  It 
clogs up the list and I think makes it a lot less friendly for less "super" 
users.

Regards,
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Re: [Qgis-user] Closure of forum

[MORREALE Jean Roc]

The point of the forum closure is to avoid fragmentation of the greatest 
and the rarest resource we have to share with the users : brains.


So unless you can keep a google group in sync with the official list , 
using a new place will not improve the situation in this regard.


Le 01/04/2012 08:50, Mats Elfström a écrit :

Hi! Simply find Google Groups and look there for QGISGRASS. Then
apply for membership. At the moment, only members can view topics.
Personally, I'm in favor of open groups, but this is at the managers
 discretion. Making the group free to read, but with restricted
posting is a good alternative.

Google Groups works very well for the MapInfo forum, MapInfo-L, and
the FME forum FME Talk. I am a member of both. Every participant can
choose how to take part in the forum, from receiving every post as
e-mail, abridged daily summaries, or only reading it on the web.

Regards, Mats.E



Den 31 mars 2012 20:50 skrev Mark Hall mailto:mhall89...@att.net>>:

How does one join the QGISGRASS group?


*From:* Mats Elfström mailto:mats.elfst...@gmail.com>> *To:* Nick Hopton
mailto:nhop...@gmail.com>> *Cc:*
qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org  *Sent:*
Sat, March 31, 2012 10:30:52 AM *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Closure of
forum

Hi! Start a Google Qgis group, or join the existing QGISGRASS group.
That way all is taken care of, and no one needs to host or administer
the thing. It could be fully open, or for registered users only.

Regards, Mats.E


Den 31 mars 2012 19:10 skrev Nick Hopton mailto:nhop...@gmail.com>>:

I read QGIS-User on Nabble, where the posts on the closure of the
forum appear somehow to have got mixed up with the Sextante thread,
so forgive me for starting a new thread.

The closure is a done deal I suppose but I think it will be harmful
to QGIS. Forum users are now being pointed to Stack Exchange but many
of them will, I believe, take one look at Stack Exchange and run a
mile. The Stack Exchange GIS FAQ makes it quite clear that SE is
intended for "...cartographers, database administrators, geographers,
programmers, and anyone interested in or using GIS professionally."

I don't fit into any one of these categories, nor I think would many
of the people who used to post on the forum. They tended to be
newcomers to QGIS, or people who make maps and use GIS as just a part
of their job, or as part of a recreational activity, or any
combination of the three. Some of them will be young and engaged in
things like school projects. It would be nice to think that these
people will shift to SE, but I can't see this happening. But we'll
soon be able to tell, if things work as hoped a lot of newby-type
questions should soon start appearing on SE. It will be interesting
to see the responses.



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