Re: [Qgis-user] Intel vs AMD

[Brent Wood]

 Hi,
Not specifically AMD vs Intel, that is pretty much irrelevant. It more depends 
which cpu (how powerful/fast, how much memory & how big & how fast the disk. 
Lower end laptops can struggle with significant processing tasks. Also do you 
run Windows or Linux? Linux compatability can be an issue, but much less than 
it used to be.

I have done very well for years picking up recycled ex-lease laptops for 
QGIS/Postgis etc... I reckon a good business quality laptop that came with a 3 
year warranty when new, is 4-5 years old & has a used warranty for 6-12 months 
is generally a much better buy than a new consumer grade laptop with a 1 yr 
warranty.
A quick search found a few refurbished sellers in Perth (I'm in New Zealand so 
can't advise on vendors there), 
like:https://www.recompute.com.au/refurbished-laptops/https://www.reboot-it.com.au/used-laptops

Cheers,
  Brent Wood

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 2:07:56 PM GMT+12, Maria Niermann 
(23153112) <23153...@student.uwa.edu.au> wrote:  
 
 Hi

Anyone got word as to any issues that might arise going AMD processor on a 
laptop?

Thanks

Maria Niermann
MSc Hydrogeology

Studying - MScEnvSc CATWA at UWA (Environmental Science - Catchment & Water)
University of Western Australia
School of Agriculture and Environment
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Re: [Qgis-user] Qgis-user Digest, Vol 175, Issue 16

[RMG]

Many thanks, Garth, for your information. The areas I research include some
large protected areas in West Africa (The one I am working on right now is
15,000 sq km), so some rasters and polygons are humongous (> 2-4GB). I have
three external hard drives (4TB, 2TB, 1TB) plus iCloud, so storage, so far,
is not a problem. If miraculously, Mac Pro's (with AMD) price is slashed by
half (won't' happen), that would be ideal.

Best wishes,

Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
Comoé Monkey Project <https://www.facebook.com/ComoeMonkeyProject/>
Guenon Conservation Community
<http://facebook.com/GuenonConservationCommunity/>




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>  Hi,
> Not specifically AMD vs Intel, that is pretty much irrelevant. It more
> depends which cpu (how powerful/fast, how much memory & how big & how fast
> the disk. Lower end laptops can struggle with significant processing tasks.
> Also do you run Windows or Linux? Linux compatability can be an issue, but
> much less than it used to be.
>
> I have done very well for years picking up recycled ex-lease laptops for
> QGIS/Postgis etc... I reckon a good business quality laptop that came with
> a 3 year warranty when new, is 4-5 years old & has a used warranty for 6-12
> months is generally a much better buy than a new consumer grade laptop with
> a 1 yr warranty.
> A quick search found a few refurbished sellers in Perth (I'm in New
> Zealand so can't advise on vendors there), like:
> https://www.recompute.com.au/refurbished-laptops/https://www.reboot-it.com.au/used-laptops
>
> Cheers,
>   Brent Wood
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 2:07:56 PM GMT+12, Maria Niermann
> (23153112) <23153...@student.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>
>  Hi
>
> Anyone got word as to any issues that might arise going AMD processor on a
> laptop?
>
> Thanks
>
> Maria Niermann
> MSc Hydrogeology
>
> Studying - MScEnvSc CATWA at UWA (Environmental Science - Catchment &
> Water)
> University of Western Australia
> School of Agriculture and Environment
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> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG  wrote:
> > I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac...
>
> The Mac you describe (12,1) is a
>"MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015)"
> introduced 3/2015 and discontinued 6/2016
>
> Geekbench 5 benchmarks for Macs can be found at
><https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks>
>
> Your Early 2015 earns a score of 763/1622 on their test set.
> The first number, 763, is the performance of a single core while
> the second number, 1622, is the performance when all cores are is use.
>
> While s

[Qgis-user] qgis cloud database

[Laurence BECHET]

Good morning,

Has anyone ever used the qgis cloud solution?
I have created a free account there, created a database which I could
access from both qgis and pgadmin, but the next day, the database was no
more seen nor accessible from qgis nor pgadmin.

Kind regards
Laurence Bechet
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Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration

[Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto]

Hi Reiko, 

I am afraid that the RAM is the first problem, 8GB is just not enough. In this 
situation, it may be better to just buy a cheap solution and wait for a cheap 
and great AMD one. I can understand your pain, it was so horrible last year 
with my old MacBook Pro as well. 

Maria

> Am 10.09.2020 um 07:58 schrieb RMG :
> 
> Thanks, Maria,
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions. Everything you are saying makes sense. The main 
> problem is that I can't upgrade the RAM of this Macbook Pro. I am leaning 
> towards a Mac mini with 3.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7, but let 
> me try what you suggest before investing (removing non-GIS stuff off the SSD. 
> Part of the problem may be that all the GIS data are in a non-SSD external 
> drive). And of course, I will wait until the Sept. 15th event for their 
> announcement about anything new.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> 
> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> Comoé Monkey Project
> Guenon Conservation Community
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 6:36 PM Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto 
>  wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I can only add to Donal's suggestions, which seem reasonable from my 
> experience as well. 
> 
> Until last year, I have been working on a 13 inch MacBook Pro from 2011. I 
> changed the HD to a 500GB SSD and the 8GB RAM to 16GB RAM a few years ago, 
> and there was a jump in performance with all my software, I could have used 
> it some more years. But QGIS got slow though with LiDAR data last year, so I 
> bought a new MacBook Pro with 2GB SSD and 32GB RAM, now everything works 
> smoothly; thanks to large storage and RAM in the first place, I assume.
> 
> At the moment, I would hesitate to either buy a new machine with ARM or Intel 
> processor but rather wait another year or a few months. 
> 
> In your case, I would try to boost RAM to 32GB in the first place (if 32 is 
> possible, otherwise 16GB). If things are still slow, I would delete 
> everything not needed on a daily basis from the main SSD and get the GIS data 
> on the SSD. And then wait for the AMD Macs and look how the reviews are. It 
> seems that everything just gets better then and cheaper. And paying for RAM 
> now is not such a large investment. 
> 
> Best, 
> Maria
> 
> 
>> Am 10.09.2020 um 06:26 schrieb Donal Hunt :
>> 
>> You can compare the CPU ratings of your current machine vs the ratings for 
>> the currently available i5 and i7 models of the mac mini here: 
>> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-5287U-vs-Intel-i5-8500B-vs-Intel-i7-8700B/2575vs3382vs3388
>> 
>> Additional memory (16gb or 32gb) may also help. You could potentially attach 
>> a fast nvme drive to the thunderbolt 3 port (you can't upgrade the SSD on 
>> the latest generation of mac minis as they are soldered to the logic board).
>> 
>> I would highly recommend profiling where the bottleneck / performance issues 
>> are occurring. Tools such as activity monitor, instruments and sample can 
>> provide more insight. See 
>> https://gist.github.com/loderunner/36724cc9ee8db66db305 for some suggestions.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Donal
>> 
>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 15:04, RMG  wrote:
>> Hello Donal and list,
>> 
>> Many thanks for asking. Below is the info:
>> 
>> Model Name: MacBook Pro
>>  Model Identifier: MacBookPro12,1
>>  Processor Name: Intel Core i5
>>  Processor Speed: 2.9 GHz
>>  Number of Processors: 1
>>  Total Number of Cores: 2
>>  L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
>>  L3 Cache: 3 MB
>>  Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
>>  Memory: 8 GB
>>  Boot ROM Version: 192.0.0.0.0
>>  SMC Version (system): 2.28f7
>> 
>> Apple SSD Controller:
>> 
>>  Vendor: Apple
>>  Product: SSD Controller
>>  Physical Interconnect: PCI
>>  Link Width: x4
>>  Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s
>>  Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
>> 
>> APPLE SSD SM0512G:
>> 
>>  Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)
>>  Model: APPLE SSD SM0512G   
>>  Revision: BXW1SA0Q
>>  Native Command Queuing: Yes
>>  Queue Depth: 32
>>  Removable Media: No
>>  Detachable Drive: No
>>  BSD Name: disk0
>>  Medium Type: Solid State
>>  TRIM Support: Yes
>>  Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
>>  S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
>> Comoé Monkey Project
>> Guenon Conservation Community
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 AM Donal Hunt  wrote:
>> Can you provide the following information from the command line (run these 
>> commands and paste the output):
>> 
>> $ system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
>> 
>> $ system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType SPParallelATADataType
>> 
>> * you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and "Hardware 
>> UUID" values before emailing.
>> 
>> That will provide some information on your existing system and disks which 
>> will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are needed. 
>> Normally, I 

Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration

[RMG]

Thanks, Maria,

Thanks for your suggestions. Everything you are saying makes sense. The
main problem is that I can't upgrade the RAM of this Macbook Pro. I am
leaning towards a Mac mini with 3.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7,
but let me try what you suggest before investing (removing non-GIS stuff
off the SSD. Part of the problem may be that all the GIS data are in a
non-SSD external drive). And of course, I will wait until the Sept. 15th
event for their announcement about anything new.

Best wishes,


Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
Comoé Monkey Project 
Guenon Conservation Community





On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 6:36 PM Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto <
maria.shin...@zaw.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can only add to Donal's suggestions, which seem reasonable from my
> experience as well.
>
> Until last year, I have been working on a 13 inch MacBook Pro from 2011. I
> changed the HD to a 500GB SSD and the 8GB RAM to 16GB RAM a few years ago,
> and there was a jump in performance with all my software, I could have used
> it some more years. But QGIS got slow though with LiDAR data last year, so
> I bought a new MacBook Pro with 2GB SSD and 32GB RAM, now everything works
> smoothly; thanks to large storage and RAM in the first place, I assume.
>
> At the moment, I would hesitate to either buy a new machine with ARM or
> Intel processor but rather wait another year or a few months.
>
> In your case, I would try to boost RAM to 32GB in the first place (if 32
> is possible, otherwise 16GB). If things are still slow, I would delete
> everything not needed on a daily basis from the main SSD and get the GIS
> data on the SSD. And then wait for the AMD Macs and look how the reviews
> are. It seems that everything just gets better then and cheaper. And paying
> for RAM now is not such a large investment.
>
> Best,
> Maria
>
>
> > Am 10.09.2020 um 06:26 schrieb Donal Hunt :
> >
> > You can compare the CPU ratings of your current machine vs the ratings
> for the currently available i5 and i7 models of the mac mini here:
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-5287U-vs-Intel-i5-8500B-vs-Intel-i7-8700B/2575vs3382vs3388
> >
> > Additional memory (16gb or 32gb) may also help. You could potentially
> attach a fast nvme drive to the thunderbolt 3 port (you can't upgrade the
> SSD on the latest generation of mac minis as they are soldered to the logic
> board).
> >
> > I would highly recommend profiling where the bottleneck / performance
> issues are occurring. Tools such as activity monitor, instruments and
> sample can provide more insight. See
> https://gist.github.com/loderunner/36724cc9ee8db66db305 for some
> suggestions.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Donal
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 15:04, RMG  wrote:
> > Hello Donal and list,
> >
> > Many thanks for asking. Below is the info:
> >
> > Model Name: MacBook Pro
> >   Model Identifier: MacBookPro12,1
> >   Processor Name: Intel Core i5
> >   Processor Speed: 2.9 GHz
> >   Number of Processors: 1
> >   Total Number of Cores: 2
> >   L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
> >   L3 Cache: 3 MB
> >   Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
> >   Memory: 8 GB
> >   Boot ROM Version: 192.0.0.0.0
> >   SMC Version (system): 2.28f7
> >
> > Apple SSD Controller:
> >
> >   Vendor: Apple
> >   Product: SSD Controller
> >   Physical Interconnect: PCI
> >   Link Width: x4
> >   Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s
> >   Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
> >
> > APPLE SSD SM0512G:
> >
> >   Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)
> >   Model: APPLE SSD SM0512G
> >   Revision: BXW1SA0Q
> >   Native Command Queuing: Yes
> >   Queue Depth: 32
> >   Removable Media: No
> >   Detachable Drive: No
> >   BSD Name: disk0
> >   Medium Type: Solid State
> >   TRIM Support: Yes
> >   Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
> >   S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> > Comoé Monkey Project
> > Guenon Conservation Community
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 AM Donal Hunt  wrote:
> > Can you provide the following information from the command line (run
> these commands and paste the output):
> >
> > $ system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
> >
> > $ system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType
> SPParallelATADataType
> >
> > * you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and
> "Hardware UUID" values before emailing.
> >
> > That will provide some information on your existing system and disks
> which will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are
> needed. Normally, I would look at CPU performance, amount of RAM and disk
> speeds (HDD vs SSD vs NVMe makes a huge difference).
> >
> > Hope that helps!
> >
> > Donal
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG  wrote:
> >  Hello QGIS users on Macs,
> 

Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration

[RMG]

Hello Donal,

I think I now know which one I want. Thanks for your help.

Best wishes,

Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
Comoé Monkey Project 
Guenon Conservation Community





On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:04 AM RMG  wrote:

> Hello Donal and list,
>
> Many thanks for asking. Below is the info:
>
> Model Name: MacBook Pro
>
>   Model Identifier: MacBookPro12,1
>
>   Processor Name: Intel Core i5
>
>   Processor Speed: 2.9 GHz
>
>   Number of Processors: 1
>
>   Total Number of Cores: 2
>
>   L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
>
>   L3 Cache: 3 MB
>
>   Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
>
>   Memory: 8 GB
>
>   Boot ROM Version: 192.0.0.0.0
>
>   SMC Version (system): 2.28f7
>
>
>
> Apple SSD Controller:
>
>
>   Vendor: Apple
>
>   Product: SSD Controller
>
>   Physical Interconnect: PCI
>
>   Link Width: x4
>
>   Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s
>
>   Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
>
>
> APPLE SSD SM0512G:
>
>
>   Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)
>
>   Model: APPLE SSD SM0512G
>
>   Revision: BXW1SA0Q
>
>   Native Command Queuing: Yes
>
>   Queue Depth: 32
>
>   Removable Media: No
>
>   Detachable Drive: No
>
>   BSD Name: disk0
>
>   Medium Type: Solid State
>
>   TRIM Support: Yes
>
>   Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
>
>   S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> Comoé Monkey Project 
> Guenon Conservation Community
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 AM Donal Hunt  wrote:
>
>> Can you provide the following information from the command line (run
>> these commands and paste the output):
>>
>> *$* system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
>>
>>
>> *$* system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType 
>> SPParallelATADataType
>>
>>
>> ** you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and
>> "Hardware UUID" values before emailing.*
>>
>>
>> That will provide some information on your existing system and disks
>> which will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are
>> needed. Normally, I would look at CPU performance, amount of RAM and disk
>> speeds (HDD vs SSD vs NVMe makes a huge difference).
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>>
>> Donal
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG  wrote:
>>
>>>  Hello QGIS users on Macs,
>>>
>>> I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac. My Mac is 5 years old and
>>> cannot handle heavy-duty QGIS procedures. I process many satellite images
>>> and some vector files with 30 m grids have millions of features, for
>>> example. To process anything is taking too long. I know there has been a
>>> discussion on ARMS hardware, but that seems a few years away. So right now,
>>> what would you recommend? I plan to partition the hard drive to handle
>>> ArcGIS as well. I do not think I can afford a dream machine like Mac Pro,
>>> though. Is a Mac mini something that you guys use and recommend?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
>>> Comoé Monkey Project 
>>> Guenon Conservation Community
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration

[Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto]

Hi, 

I can only add to Donal's suggestions, which seem reasonable from my experience 
as well. 

Until last year, I have been working on a 13 inch MacBook Pro from 2011. I 
changed the HD to a 500GB SSD and the 8GB RAM to 16GB RAM a few years ago, and 
there was a jump in performance with all my software, I could have used it some 
more years. But QGIS got slow though with LiDAR data last year, so I bought a 
new MacBook Pro with 2GB SSD and 32GB RAM, now everything works smoothly; 
thanks to large storage and RAM in the first place, I assume.

At the moment, I would hesitate to either buy a new machine with ARM or Intel 
processor but rather wait another year or a few months. 

In your case, I would try to boost RAM to 32GB in the first place (if 32 is 
possible, otherwise 16GB). If things are still slow, I would delete everything 
not needed on a daily basis from the main SSD and get the GIS data on the SSD. 
And then wait for the AMD Macs and look how the reviews are. It seems that 
everything just gets better then and cheaper. And paying for RAM now is not 
such a large investment. 

Best, 
Maria


> Am 10.09.2020 um 06:26 schrieb Donal Hunt :
> 
> You can compare the CPU ratings of your current machine vs the ratings for 
> the currently available i5 and i7 models of the mac mini here: 
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-5287U-vs-Intel-i5-8500B-vs-Intel-i7-8700B/2575vs3382vs3388
> 
> Additional memory (16gb or 32gb) may also help. You could potentially attach 
> a fast nvme drive to the thunderbolt 3 port (you can't upgrade the SSD on the 
> latest generation of mac minis as they are soldered to the logic board).
> 
> I would highly recommend profiling where the bottleneck / performance issues 
> are occurring. Tools such as activity monitor, instruments and sample can 
> provide more insight. See 
> https://gist.github.com/loderunner/36724cc9ee8db66db305 for some suggestions.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Donal
> 
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 15:04, RMG  wrote:
> Hello Donal and list,
> 
> Many thanks for asking. Below is the info:
> 
> Model Name: MacBook Pro
>   Model Identifier: MacBookPro12,1
>   Processor Name: Intel Core i5
>   Processor Speed: 2.9 GHz
>   Number of Processors: 1
>   Total Number of Cores: 2
>   L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
>   L3 Cache: 3 MB
>   Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
>   Memory: 8 GB
>   Boot ROM Version: 192.0.0.0.0
>   SMC Version (system): 2.28f7
>   
> Apple SSD Controller:
> 
>   Vendor: Apple
>   Product: SSD Controller
>   Physical Interconnect: PCI
>   Link Width: x4
>   Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s
>   Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
> 
> APPLE SSD SM0512G:
> 
>   Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)
>   Model: APPLE SSD SM0512G   
>   Revision: BXW1SA0Q
>   Native Command Queuing: Yes
>   Queue Depth: 32
>   Removable Media: No
>   Detachable Drive: No
>   BSD Name: disk0
>   Medium Type: Solid State
>   TRIM Support: Yes
>   Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
>   S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> Comoé Monkey Project
> Guenon Conservation Community
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 AM Donal Hunt  wrote:
> Can you provide the following information from the command line (run these 
> commands and paste the output):
> 
> $ system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
> 
> $ system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType SPParallelATADataType
> 
> * you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and "Hardware 
> UUID" values before emailing.
> 
> That will provide some information on your existing system and disks which 
> will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are needed. 
> Normally, I would look at CPU performance, amount of RAM and disk speeds (HDD 
> vs SSD vs NVMe makes a huge difference).
> 
> Hope that helps!
> 
> Donal
> 
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG  wrote:
>  Hello QGIS users on Macs,
> 
> I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac. My Mac is 5 years old and cannot 
> handle heavy-duty QGIS procedures. I process many satellite images and some 
> vector files with 30 m grids have millions of features, for example. To 
> process anything is taking too long. I know there has been a discussion on 
> ARMS hardware, but that seems a few years away. So right now, what would you 
> recommend? I plan to partition the hard drive to handle ArcGIS as well. I do 
> not think I can afford a dream machine like Mac Pro, though. Is a Mac mini 
> something that you guys use and recommend?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> Comoé Monkey Project
> Guenon Conservation Community
> 
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Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration

[Donal Hunt]

You can compare the CPU ratings of your current machine vs the ratings for
the currently available i5 and i7 models of the mac mini here:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-5287U-vs-Intel-i5-8500B-vs-Intel-i7-8700B/2575vs3382vs3388

Additional memory (16gb or 32gb) may also help. You could potentially
attach a fast nvme drive to the thunderbolt 3 port (you can't upgrade the
SSD on the latest generation of mac minis as they are soldered to the logic
board).

I would highly recommend profiling where the bottleneck / performance
issues are occurring. Tools such as activity monitor, instruments and
sample can provide more insight. See
https://gist.github.com/loderunner/36724cc9ee8db66db305 for some
suggestions.

Hope that helps.

Donal

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 15:04, RMG  wrote:

> Hello Donal and list,
>
> Many thanks for asking. Below is the info:
>
> Model Name: MacBook Pro
>
>   Model Identifier: MacBookPro12,1
>
>   Processor Name: Intel Core i5
>
>   Processor Speed: 2.9 GHz
>
>   Number of Processors: 1
>
>   Total Number of Cores: 2
>
>   L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
>
>   L3 Cache: 3 MB
>
>   Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
>
>   Memory: 8 GB
>
>   Boot ROM Version: 192.0.0.0.0
>
>   SMC Version (system): 2.28f7
>
>
>
> Apple SSD Controller:
>
>
>   Vendor: Apple
>
>   Product: SSD Controller
>
>   Physical Interconnect: PCI
>
>   Link Width: x4
>
>   Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s
>
>   Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
>
>
> APPLE SSD SM0512G:
>
>
>   Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)
>
>   Model: APPLE SSD SM0512G
>
>   Revision: BXW1SA0Q
>
>   Native Command Queuing: Yes
>
>   Queue Depth: 32
>
>   Removable Media: No
>
>   Detachable Drive: No
>
>   BSD Name: disk0
>
>   Medium Type: Solid State
>
>   TRIM Support: Yes
>
>   Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
>
>   S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> Comoé Monkey Project 
> Guenon Conservation Community
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 AM Donal Hunt  wrote:
>
>> Can you provide the following information from the command line (run
>> these commands and paste the output):
>>
>> *$* system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
>>
>>
>> *$* system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType 
>> SPParallelATADataType
>>
>>
>> ** you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and
>> "Hardware UUID" values before emailing.*
>>
>>
>> That will provide some information on your existing system and disks
>> which will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are
>> needed. Normally, I would look at CPU performance, amount of RAM and disk
>> speeds (HDD vs SSD vs NVMe makes a huge difference).
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>>
>> Donal
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG  wrote:
>>
>>>  Hello QGIS users on Macs,
>>>
>>> I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac. My Mac is 5 years old and
>>> cannot handle heavy-duty QGIS procedures. I process many satellite images
>>> and some vector files with 30 m grids have millions of features, for
>>> example. To process anything is taking too long. I know there has been a
>>> discussion on ARMS hardware, but that seems a few years away. So right now,
>>> what would you recommend? I plan to partition the hard drive to handle
>>> ArcGIS as well. I do not think I can afford a dream machine like Mac Pro,
>>> though. Is a Mac mini something that you guys use and recommend?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
>>> Comoé Monkey Project 
>>> Guenon Conservation Community
>>> 
>>>
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[Qgis-user] On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG wrote:

[Garth Fletcher]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG  wrote:

I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac...


The Mac you describe (12,1) is a
  "MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015)"
introduced 3/2015 and discontinued 6/2016

Geekbench 5 benchmarks for Macs can be found at
  

Your Early 2015 earns a score of 763/1622 on their test set.
The first number, 763, is the performance of a single core while
the second number, 1622, is the performance when all cores are is use.

While such tests are not the whole story, they do provide an indication
of performance on an average set of tasks.  Too little RAM or a slow
old style (rotating) disk can greatly diminish performance.

Your MacBook Pro (Retina,...)
 MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2015),  763 / 1622

More recent MacBook Pro models with 1 core benchmarks > 1000 include:
 MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2020),  i7, 2.3 GHz, 4 cores  1233 / 4516
 MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2020),  i5, 2.0 GHz, 4 cores  1142 / 4238
 MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2019),  i9, 2.4 GHz, 8 cores  1115 / 6746
 MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019), i9, 2.4 GHz, 8 cores  1110 / 6945
 MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2019),  i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 cores  1103 / 4186
 MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2019),  i9, 2.3 GHz, 8 cores  1082 / 6287
 MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019), i9, 2.3 GHz, 8 cores  1074 / 6615
 MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2018),  i9, 2.9 GHz, 6 cores  1044 / 5052
 MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2019),  i7, 1.7 GHz, 4 cores  1032 / 3882
 MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019), i7, 2.6 GHz, 6 cores  1022 / 5374
 MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2018),  i7, 2.7 GHz, 4 cores  1021 / 3989
 MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2019),  i7, 2.6 GHz, 6 cores  1020 / 5054

The "i5", "i7" and "i9" refer to different generations of the Intel
CPU chips used.

Most have SSD (Solid State Disk) rather than rotating hard disks, which
make a trememdous difference, especially with software that accesses
very large amounts of file data such as QGIS.

Also consider the large amount of disk space needed if you use many
raster files.  Orthophotographs can require many GB just to cover a
single town.  So far my 1 TB SSD has been adequate, but my focus is on
just a small area under 50 square miles, albeit with many layers of
LIDAR, DEM, orthophotos, etc.

For GIS use I would want a larger screen than 13", or plan on using a
large external screen whenever practical.  I find my 24" ViewSonic,
which cost under $200, to be just large enough for comfortable GIS use.

RAM is always useful and is cheap.  This is an especially important
consideration with MacBooks because you cannot later add more memory
(MackBook Pro models after 2012). I would recommend at least 16 GB.

Cordially,
--
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Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration

[RMG]

Hello Donal and list,

Many thanks for asking. Below is the info:

Model Name: MacBook Pro

  Model Identifier: MacBookPro12,1

  Processor Name: Intel Core i5

  Processor Speed: 2.9 GHz

  Number of Processors: 1

  Total Number of Cores: 2

  L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB

  L3 Cache: 3 MB

  Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled

  Memory: 8 GB

  Boot ROM Version: 192.0.0.0.0

  SMC Version (system): 2.28f7



Apple SSD Controller:


  Vendor: Apple

  Product: SSD Controller

  Physical Interconnect: PCI

  Link Width: x4

  Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s

  Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported


APPLE SSD SM0512G:


  Capacity: 500.28 GB (500,277,790,720 bytes)

  Model: APPLE SSD SM0512G

  Revision: BXW1SA0Q

  Native Command Queuing: Yes

  Queue Depth: 32

  Removable Media: No

  Detachable Drive: No

  BSD Name: disk0

  Medium Type: Solid State

  TRIM Support: Yes

  Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)

  S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified


Best wishes,


Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
Comoé Monkey Project 
Guenon Conservation Community





On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:05 AM Donal Hunt  wrote:

> Can you provide the following information from the command line (run these
> commands and paste the output):
>
> *$* system_profiler SPHardwareDataType
>
>
> *$* system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType 
> SPParallelATADataType
>
>
> ** you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and
> "Hardware UUID" values before emailing.*
>
>
> That will provide some information on your existing system and disks which
> will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are needed.
> Normally, I would look at CPU performance, amount of RAM and disk speeds
> (HDD vs SSD vs NVMe makes a huge difference).
>
>
> Hope that helps!
>
>
> Donal
>
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG  wrote:
>
>>  Hello QGIS users on Macs,
>>
>> I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac. My Mac is 5 years old and
>> cannot handle heavy-duty QGIS procedures. I process many satellite images
>> and some vector files with 30 m grids have millions of features, for
>> example. To process anything is taking too long. I know there has been a
>> discussion on ARMS hardware, but that seems a few years away. So right now,
>> what would you recommend? I plan to partition the hard drive to handle
>> ArcGIS as well. I do not think I can afford a dream machine like Mac Pro,
>> though. Is a Mac mini something that you guys use and recommend?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
>> Comoé Monkey Project 
>> Guenon Conservation Community
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [Qgis-user] Mac computer configuration

[Donal Hunt]

Can you provide the following information from the command line (run these
commands and paste the output):

*$* system_profiler SPHardwareDataType


*$* system_profiler -detailLevel mini SPSerialATADataType SPParallelATADataType


** you may want to remove/redact the "Serial Number (system)" and "Hardware
UUID" values before emailing.*


That will provide some information on your existing system and disks which
will make it easier to determine what appropriate replacements are needed.
Normally, I would look at CPU performance, amount of RAM and disk speeds
(HDD vs SSD vs NVMe makes a huge difference).


Hope that helps!


Donal

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:00, RMG  wrote:

>  Hello QGIS users on Macs,
>
> I would like advice on purchasing a new Mac. My Mac is 5 years old and
> cannot handle heavy-duty QGIS procedures. I process many satellite images
> and some vector files with 30 m grids have millions of features, for
> example. To process anything is taking too long. I know there has been a
> discussion on ARMS hardware, but that seems a few years away. So right now,
> what would you recommend? I plan to partition the hard drive to handle
> ArcGIS as well. I do not think I can afford a dream machine like Mac Pro,
> though. Is a Mac mini something that you guys use and recommend?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Reiko Matsuda Goodwin
> Comoé Monkey Project 
> Guenon Conservation Community
> 
>
>
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Re: [QGIS-it-user] Whitebox Tools in Processing

[Totò]

qui un veloce blog post per l'intallazione in QGIS,
è una copia di quanto descritto da Stefano ma con screenshot

https://pigrecoinfinito.com/2020/09/09/qgis-whitebox-tools-in-processing/

saluti



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Re: [QGIS-it-user] Whitebox Tools in Processing

[Marco Spaziani]

Mi associo ai ringraziamenti

Il giorno mer 9 set 2020 alle ore 09:03 Totò  ha
scritto:

> Stefano Campus wrote
> > forse alcuni conoscono Whitebox, potentissimo software libero per analisi
> > avanzate specialmente raster.
> > è disponibile dal 2009 in [1] sia con interfaccia grafica, sia come
> > software
> > da linea di comando.
> > Alexander Bruy ha creato un plugin [2] che  aggiunge whitebox a
> > processing,
> > come fornitore esterno di risorse di calcolo, al pari di saga e grass.
> > di seguito, come aggiungere Whitebox Tools a Processing(windows)
>
> Grazie mille Stefano.
>
>
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Re: [QGIS-it-user] Whitebox Tools in Processing

[Totò]

Stefano Campus wrote
> forse alcuni conoscono Whitebox, potentissimo software libero per analisi
> avanzate specialmente raster.
> è disponibile dal 2009 in [1] sia con interfaccia grafica, sia come
> software
> da linea di comando.
> Alexander Bruy ha creato un plugin [2] che  aggiunge whitebox a
> processing,
> come fornitore esterno di risorse di calcolo, al pari di saga e grass.
> di seguito, come aggiungere Whitebox Tools a Processing(windows)

Grazie mille Stefano.



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