Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Hi everyone, I'm trying to explain that problem with no recognition of other private funding. I beleive in QGIS but i have no skill for coding. So I try to use my job tilte for find some fund for improve QGIS. I've started discussion with Anita Graser on Twitter for that. She explained to me that I paid for a special features and I will not display because I do note give money directly to QGIS project. I'm not agree with that because : - We choose official commiter QGIS for working into the core and not for an external plugin. (even if we also make some plugin and amazing number of plugin available contribute to QGIS popularity) - We contribute to improve QGIS and i popularity (SVG layer allow better work in DAO software like Inkscap or Illustrator) - I work for local authorities and in French law, it's not possible to give money without a precise goal but we can make improvment with a specific order. That's the reason why I will never able to sponsoring QGIS without ask a specific feature that is missing. And for local elected people that allow me to spend money into QGIS, they want to appear clearly. Its how it works on our territory. They won't check a changelog text file, they won't go to github, thay want to be display or quote somewhere where they could show to people what they do for them. If you don't display there action, you could really loose some funds for improve or help QGIS... Myself, I won't be able anymore to fund 6000 € per year for improve QGIS ... :( Best regards Nicolas Rochard Agence de développement et d'urbanisme du Grand Amiénois (Aduga) Le 3 juillet 2014 à 09:33, Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi, my personal point of view on this question. I spent a lot of my personal time on qgis. Of course I work for a Public Administration and we had spent some fund on qgis. Not only qgis, but also geos, postgis, spatialite, gdal. More or less on every of them. The problem for us is to have a tracciability (hope this is the correct english word) of fund. And avoid that more PA pay the same think more time. :) This is a need because often the work is not completly isolated from to others. Instead it is mix with the work of other funders. And we like to avoid that the developer - Please notice: this is a point of principle to ALL our work not only to qgis. No reference to any qgis developer. - could sell the same develop to more than one PA. To avoid this we ask that the code will have a clear report of who fund and of the name of project (the fund project) This also help to certificate that the fund we declare to spent on QGIS , we have spent the fund REALLY on QGIS and not in any other thing. Also, I guess who spent its own free time to work on qgis, could have also it a really interest to have recognized its work as a funder of qgis don't ? So why don't report the funders , thinking to who work freely as a funders ? my 2ct, Andrea. 2014-07-03 8:19 GMT+02:00 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it: Il 02/07/2014 17:18, Vincent Picavet ha scritto: I want to raise an important topic to fellow QGIS users, developers and... funders ! It is clear from the release process debate, that one of the thing we need, is more funders. This is communication, but improving the general feedback to the organizations which really are spending money on QGIS to improve it for all of us to benefit from, would really help to get more people and more organizations involved. Hi Vincent, thanks for raising this important point. The issue is well known, and we have been discussing about it several times. In principle we'd be happy to give proper credits to funders. The main issue, IMHO, is that it is difficult to be fair in this: * How do we weight different contributions? * We all do some extra work (unpaid of covered by the surplus of major works): how to take this into account? If we do not do it, we effectively discourage developers and firms from contributing. The current approach, allowing funders to add a short note on the commits, and encouraging them to advertise it by posting notes and descriptions of these functions, is flexible and adds little overhead. I feel some of your suggestions would add too much noise e.g. to the About box. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù - ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas Le 3 juillet 2014 à 13:57, Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it a écrit : Il 03/07/2014 12:20, n.roch...@aduga.org ha scritto: I've started discussion with Anita Graser on Twitter for that. She explained to me that I paid for a special features and I will not display because I do note give money directly to QGIS project. If you don't display there action, you could really loose some funds for improve or help QGIS... Myself, I won't be able anymore to fund 6000 € per year for improve QGIS Cher Nicolas, please keep on with the good work. I'm sure we can work this out. Would a note on commits + a post on social networks etc. be enough for you? Amicalement. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
I didn't think bad with my request and that ou explain is right.I didn't assess pernicious effects that my request will do. My request is to be sure to justifiy the work it has done by professional with fund I can have from our partner and try to stimulate opensource instead of seeing local agency and authorities buying new arcgis licenses. I have absolutely not want to denigrate the other contributions as they have all their importance in advancing QGIS Le 3 juillet 2014 à 14:45, Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com a écrit : I agree with Paolo. A phrase like totally fund to a feature mean that none other other subject is allowed to fund for any evolution on it. Because that feture it totally charge on that PA. But also should be possibile to allow an history of a feature. So if a PA has fund for the first creation of a new feature , this is clearly reported. But also if another user (with its free work , obviously reported) or other kind of user (also another PA) could fund for some other evolution is also it reported. Is this the main advantace of a GFOSS free developed cycle. So lock a feature on a single PA is like to put a copyright on it. :) regards, A. 2014-07-03 14:37 GMT+02:00 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it: Il 03/07/2014 14:29, n.roch...@aduga.org ha scritto: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund *entirely* a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) I understand your point. It may be difficult, or impossible, to define when a feature is funded entirely by one subject; software does not live in isolation, and we risk to overlook fundamental work in favour of more flashy new stuff. The issue here is to give appropriate credit to everyone, and be fair in this context is really tricky. That's why I would not mind leaving the advertising of a feature to its funder. Of course, this may not fit equally well everyone. All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu Corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù -___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Ask more for have 50% of the request :-) Its not necessary but carefull if you order a improvment with Europe's fund, you must display the logo (it was our experience with the QGIS plugin cadastre) Nicolas Le 3 juillet 2014 à 15:26, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net a écrit : In the visual changelog I wouldn't propose to include logos of funding organizations. Just the name and the link to the organization. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 13:18, schrieb Andreas Neumann: Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 12:29, schrieb n.roch...@aduga.org: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders
Add 'made-with-european-fund.shp' in the name of the shapefile :)) Le 3 juillet 2014 à 16:58, Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com a écrit : Yes, I confirm this heavy constraint. Every develope with european fund ask to have a logo in it. More complex then this is when with the european fund you do a GIS archive. The european officers think only to a map as a pdf or as an image so they guess seem easy to put a logo on it. But if the result of funded work is a shapefile , where I put the logo ? :)) A. 2014-07-03 15:37 GMT+02:00 n.roch...@aduga.org n.roch...@aduga.org: Ask more for have 50% of the request :-) Its not necessary but carefull if you order a improvment with Europe's fund, you must display the logo (it was our experience with the QGIS plugin cadastre) Nicolas Le 3 juillet 2014 à 15:26, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net a écrit : In the visual changelog I wouldn't propose to include logos of funding organizations. Just the name and the link to the organization. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 13:18, schrieb Andreas Neumann: Hi all, I think a mention of the organization who funded a feature in the visual changelog is a reasonable request. Not much work and a fair recognition and thank you visible by many. In the visual changelog you also list the sponsors at the very top - so why not also mentioning the funding organization? If there are two or three co-funding you can list them all. I can see a positive effect by this that other organizations may also think about funding a specific feature if they see that other organizations do the same. I don't think that many users are aware that more than half of QGIS features would not exist if organizations or companies would not fund them. I am with Nicolas and Oslandia on this request and I think that the visual changelog is a good place to thank the funders. Andreas Am 03.07.2014 12:29, schrieb n.roch...@aduga.org: Sear Paolo I think, social network is a good way, politician are using it a lot. The oher way should put the name and logo of the agency/business wich fund entirely a new feature on the graphic changelog (http://changelog.linfiniti.com/qgis/version/2.4.0/) Thanks for your quick reply Nicolas ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù -___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
