Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-15 Thread Tobias Wendorff
I had a presesentation about this some years ago on INTERGEO fair. It was about 
nautic maps and how to use them with a compass (sailing from Europe to America).

I am from Germany, our "Norths" are identical, but on a trip from South to 
North America with a compass only would make lots of trouble.

Thanks for your ideas in this topic :)


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Am 15.03.2017 um 23:19 schrieb "Tudorache, Marian" 
:

> Well some of our maps are not on True North.
> Each point on the map was transformed by applying a rotation equal to the 
> angle between the true north pole and magnetic north .
> 
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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-15 Thread Tudorache, Marian
Well some of our maps are not on True North.
Each point on the map was transformed by applying a rotation equal to the angle 
between the true north pole and magnetic north .



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Sent: March-09-17 2:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo 
and Qgis

Am Do, 9.03.2017, 19:33 schrieb Tudorache, Marian:
>
> It seems the reason why I get different x and y in ArcInfo is because
> I have to transform those coordinate based on magnetic declination.

What, a dynamic projection connected the Earth' magnetic declination?
I thought, I've already seen everything in GIS world :)

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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-09 Thread Mark Seibel
Expect nothing but surprises and bewilderment when working with that
monopolized GIS company. =D

You can work in WGS84, or GRS80. Just some other geographic coordinate
system that doesnt use stereographic.

http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/4326/

IF you have a local state plane or UTM, that could work for projected
systems

Mark

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Tobias Wendorff <
tobias.wendo...@tu-dortmund.de> wrote:

> Am Do, 9.03.2017, 19:33 schrieb Tudorache, Marian:
> >
> > It seems the reason why I get different x and y in ArcInfo is because I
> > have to transform those coordinate based on magnetic declination.
>
> What, a dynamic projection connected the Earth' magnetic declination?
> I thought, I've already seen everything in GIS world :)
>
>
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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-09 Thread Tudorache, Marian
I can but we use GRS80 not WGS84.
Can I work with WGS84?

Thanks,
Marian



From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
Seibel
Sent: March-09-17 1:47 PM
To: Tudorache, Marian
Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo 
and Qgis

I would project them it to another coordinate system with ARC.

Can you project them to a geographic coordinate system like EPSG: 4326 (WGS84), 
or projected coordinate system?

Mark

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Tudorache, Marian 
mailto:marian.tudora...@navcanada.ca>> wrote:
Hi again Mark,

It seems the reason why I get different x and y in ArcInfo is because I have to 
transform those coordinate based on magnetic declination.
Could you tell me how can I modify the projection string +proj-sterea 
+lat_0=53.5 + lon_0=-76.0 +k=0.9996 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0.0 +a=631816.16075 
+b=631816.16075 +units=m +nodefs
So I can include the magnetic declination?
I want to try to see what will be the coordinate when I use true North and 
magnetic North.

Thank you,
Marian

From: Tudorache, Marian
Sent: March-07-17 1:19 PM
To: 'Mark Seibel'
Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: RE: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo 
and Qgis

Hi Mark,


The projection that I use in Qgis and ArcInfo is:
QGIS: +proj-sterea +lat_0=53.5 + lon_0=-76.0 +k=0.9996 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0.0 
+a=631816.16075 +b=631816.16075 +units=m +nodefs
ArcInfo: has different representation but the same thing:
Projection   STEREOGRAPHIC
Datum  NONE
Zunits   NO
Units METERS
XShift0.000
YShift0.000
Parameters 631816.16075 0.000
  1 /* Projection type < 1 | 2 >
631816.16075   /*radius of sphere of reference
-76   0 0.000   /* longitude of center of projection

5330 0.000 /* latitude of center of projection
0.0  /* false easting (meters)
0.0  /* false westing (meters)

One more thing ArcInfo uses directive COORDINATES in AML to extract the 
coordinates.
Thanks,
Marian

From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
Seibel
Sent: March-07-17 11:18 AM
To: Tudorache, Marian
Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo 
and Qgis

Hi.

Can somebody explain me why coordinates in map units read by Qgis are different 
than those read by ArcInfo?
How can I make the two coordinates to be the same?

What is the projection of the arc/info coverage?

Is QGIS set to the same projection?

Mark


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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-09 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Do, 9.03.2017, 19:33 schrieb Tudorache, Marian:
>
> It seems the reason why I get different x and y in ArcInfo is because I
> have to transform those coordinate based on magnetic declination.

What, a dynamic projection connected the Earth' magnetic declination?
I thought, I've already seen everything in GIS world :)

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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-09 Thread Mark Seibel
I would project them it to another coordinate system with ARC.

Can you project them to a geographic coordinate system like EPSG: 4326
(WGS84), or projected coordinate system?

Mark

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Tudorache, Marian <
marian.tudora...@navcanada.ca> wrote:

> Hi again Mark,
>
>
>
> It seems the reason why I get different x and y in ArcInfo is because I
> have to transform those coordinate based on magnetic declination.
>
> Could you tell me how can I modify the projection string +proj-sterea
> +lat_0=53.5 + lon_0=-76.0 +k=0.9996 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0.0 +a=631816.16075
> +b=631816.16075 +units=m +nodefs
>
> So I can include the magnetic declination?
>
> I want to try to see what will be the coordinate when I use true North and
> magnetic North.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marian
>
>
>
> *From:* Tudorache, Marian
> *Sent:* March-07-17 1:19 PM
> *To:* 'Mark Seibel'
> *Cc:* qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between
> ArcInfo and Qgis
>
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
>
>
>
>
> The projection that I use in Qgis and ArcInfo is:
>
> QGIS: +proj-sterea +lat_0=53.5 + lon_0=-76.0 +k=0.9996 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0.0
> +a=631816.16075 +b=631816.16075 +units=m +nodefs
>
> ArcInfo: has different representation but the same thing:
>
> Projection   STEREOGRAPHIC
>
> Datum  NONE
>
> Zunits   NO
>
> Units METERS
>
> XShift0.000
>
> YShift0.000
>
> Parameters 631816.16075 0.000
>
>   1 /* Projection type < 1 | 2 >
>
> 631816.16075   /*radius of sphere of reference
>
> -76   0 0.000   /* longitude of center of projection
>
> 5330 0.000 /* latitude of center of projection
>
> 0.0  /* false easting (meters)
>
> 0.0  /* false westing (meters)
>
>
>
> One more thing ArcInfo uses directive COORDINATES in AML to extract the
> coordinates.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marian
>
>
>
> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Mark Seibel
> *Sent:* March-07-17 11:18 AM
> *To:* Tudorache, Marian
> *Cc:* qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between
> ArcInfo and Qgis
>
>
>
> Hi.
>
>
> Can somebody explain me why coordinates in map units read by Qgis are
> different than those read by ArcInfo?
> How can I make the two coordinates to be the same?
>
>
>
> What is the projection of the arc/info coverage?
>
>
>
> Is QGIS set to the same projection?
>
>
>
> Mark
>
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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-09 Thread Tudorache, Marian
Hi again Mark,

It seems the reason why I get different x and y in ArcInfo is because I have to 
transform those coordinate based on magnetic declination.
Could you tell me how can I modify the projection string +proj-sterea 
+lat_0=53.5 + lon_0=-76.0 +k=0.9996 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0.0 +a=631816.16075 
+b=631816.16075 +units=m +nodefs
So I can include the magnetic declination?
I want to try to see what will be the coordinate when I use true North and 
magnetic North.

Thank you,
Marian

From: Tudorache, Marian
Sent: March-07-17 1:19 PM
To: 'Mark Seibel'
Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: RE: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo 
and Qgis

Hi Mark,


The projection that I use in Qgis and ArcInfo is:
QGIS: +proj-sterea +lat_0=53.5 + lon_0=-76.0 +k=0.9996 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0.0 
+a=631816.16075 +b=631816.16075 +units=m +nodefs
ArcInfo: has different representation but the same thing:
Projection   STEREOGRAPHIC
Datum  NONE
Zunits   NO
Units METERS
XShift0.000
YShift0.000
Parameters 631816.16075 0.000
  1 /* Projection type < 1 | 2 >
631816.16075   /*radius of sphere of reference
-76   0 0.000   /* longitude of center of projection

5330 0.000 /* latitude of center of projection
0.0  /* false easting (meters)
0.0  /* false westing (meters)

One more thing ArcInfo uses directive COORDINATES in AML to extract the 
coordinates.
Thanks,
Marian

From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
Seibel
Sent: March-07-17 11:18 AM
To: Tudorache, Marian
Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo 
and Qgis

Hi.

Can somebody explain me why coordinates in map units read by Qgis are different 
than those read by ArcInfo?
How can I make the two coordinates to be the same?

What is the projection of the arc/info coverage?

Is QGIS set to the same projection?

Mark


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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-07 Thread Blumentrath, Stefan
Hi,

The scaling factor “+k=0.9996” does not seem to be present in your ArcInfo CRS…
Could be a reason...

Cheers
Stefan


From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of 
Tudorache, Marian
Sent: tirsdag 7. mars 2017 19.19
To: Mark Seibel 
Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo 
and Qgis

Hi Mark,


The projection that I use in Qgis and ArcInfo is:
QGIS: +proj-sterea +lat_0=53.5 + lon_0=-76.0 +k=0.9996 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0.0 
+a=631816.16075 +b=631816.16075 +units=m +nodefs
ArcInfo: has different representation but the same thing:
Projection   STEREOGRAPHIC
Datum  NONE
Zunits   NO
Units METERS
XShift0.000
YShift0.000
Parameters 631816.16075 0.000
  1 /* Projection type < 1 | 2 >
631816.16075   /*radius of sphere of reference
-76   0 0.000   /* longitude of center of projection

53 30 0.000 /* latitude of center of projection
0.0  /* false easting (meters)
0.0  /* false westing (meters)

One more thing ArcInfo uses directive COORDINATES in AML to extract the 
coordinates.
Thanks,
Marian

From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
Seibel
Sent: March-07-17 11:18 AM
To: Tudorache, Marian
Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo 
and Qgis

Hi.

Can somebody explain me why coordinates in map units read by Qgis are different 
than those read by ArcInfo?
How can I make the two coordinates to be the same?

What is the projection of the arc/info coverage?

Is QGIS set to the same projection?

Mark


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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-07 Thread Mark Seibel
If you fire up ArcEdit what are the coordinates at some comparable location
in QGIS? (as opposed to the coordinates usage in AML)

Or if you view the A/I coverage in another software like ArcView
3.x/ArcMap, are the coordinates the same in QGIS?

Maybe try converting your coverage to a shapefile, and see if there is a
difference?

Another option is to set no coordinate system, or disable 'project on the
fly', and see what the coordinates are for the data.

Just some suggestions, I really cant explain why there difference. AFAIK,
A/I coverages shouldnt matter, but they are rather archaic.

Mark

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Tudorache, Marian <
marian.tudora...@navcanada.ca> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
>
>
>
>
> The projection that I use in Qgis and ArcInfo is:
>
> QGIS: +proj-sterea +lat_0=53.5 + lon_0=-76.0 +k=0.9996 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0.0
> +a=631816.16075 +b=631816.16075 +units=m +nodefs
>
> ArcInfo: has different representation but the same thing:
>
> Projection   STEREOGRAPHIC
>
> Datum  NONE
>
> Zunits   NO
>
> Units METERS
>
> XShift0.000
>
> YShift0.000
>
> Parameters 631816.16075 0.000
>
>   1 /* Projection type < 1 | 2 >
>
> 631816.16075   /*radius of sphere of reference
>
> -76   0 0.000   /* longitude of center of projection
>
> 5330 0.000 /* latitude of center of projection
>
> 0.0  /* false easting (meters)
>
> 0.0  /* false westing (meters)
>
>
>
> One more thing ArcInfo uses directive COORDINATES in AML to extract the
> coordinates.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marian
>
>
>
> *From:* Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Mark Seibel
> *Sent:* March-07-17 11:18 AM
> *To:* Tudorache, Marian
> *Cc:* qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between
> ArcInfo and Qgis
>
>
>
> Hi.
>
>
> Can somebody explain me why coordinates in map units read by Qgis are
> different than those read by ArcInfo?
> How can I make the two coordinates to be the same?
>
>
>
> What is the projection of the arc/info coverage?
>
>
>
> Is QGIS set to the same projection?
>
>
>
> Mark
>
> --
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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-07 Thread Tudorache, Marian
Hi Mark,


The projection that I use in Qgis and ArcInfo is:
QGIS: +proj-sterea +lat_0=53.5 + lon_0=-76.0 +k=0.9996 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0.0 
+a=631816.16075 +b=631816.16075 +units=m +nodefs
ArcInfo: has different representation but the same thing:
Projection   STEREOGRAPHIC
Datum  NONE
Zunits   NO
Units METERS
XShift0.000
YShift0.000
Parameters 631816.16075 0.000
  1 /* Projection type < 1 | 2 >
631816.16075   /*radius of sphere of reference
-76   0 0.000   /* longitude of center of projection

5330 0.000 /* latitude of center of projection
0.0  /* false easting (meters)
0.0  /* false westing (meters)

One more thing ArcInfo uses directive COORDINATES in AML to extract the 
coordinates.
Thanks,
Marian

From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
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Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo 
and Qgis

Hi.

Can somebody explain me why coordinates in map units read by Qgis are different 
than those read by ArcInfo?
How can I make the two coordinates to be the same?

What is the projection of the arc/info coverage?

Is QGIS set to the same projection?

Mark


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Re: [Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-07 Thread Mark Seibel
Hi.

>
> Can somebody explain me why coordinates in map units read by Qgis are
> different than those read by ArcInfo?
> How can I make the two coordinates to be the same?
>

What is the projection of the arc/info coverage?

Is QGIS set to the same projection?

Mark
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[Qgis-user] Coordinates in map units are different between ArcInfo and Qgis

2017-03-07 Thread Tudorache, Marian
Hi everyone,

I have two GIS systems. First one is based on ArcInfo and the other one is 
based on Qgis 2.10.

The system with ArcInfo uses Esri coverage data files.
QGIS is able to read coverage data but I see differences between the coordinate 
expressed on map units between the two.

For example:
A point has in ArcInfo the coordinates in map units (meters) x = -1273005.24 
and y = 2898383.44.
The same point has in Qgis the coordinates in map units (meters) x = 
-1940424.5898 and y = 3192159.87877.

I looked in qgsmaptopixel.cpp how the mouse position coordinate is transformed 
to world map units coordinate and I have found this:
mx = x * mMapUnitsPerPixel + xMin
my = -1 * ((y – yMax) * mMapUnitsPerPixel – Ymin)

I have displayed the transformation parameters in Qgis using showParameters 
function and I got:
Map units/pixel: 6130.91 center: -337918, 1.36002e+06 rotation: 0, size: 
1493x974
So it looks a pixel has 6130.91 meters.
Map center is located at -337918, 1.36002e+06 (probably meters)
I can’t figure out the value for xMax, xMin , yMax, yMin.

Can somebody explain me why coordinates in map units read by Qgis are different 
than those read by ArcInfo?
How can I make the two coordinates to be the same?
Thanks,
Marian

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