Re: [Qgis-user] Did scale change outputting to PDF?
Hi All: I always add a scale bar to a printed map so that if there is variaition between the pdf/print configuration, It can always be confirmed on the final printed map. Kirk Schmidt On 5/27/2021 4:27 AM, j.hu...@post-ist-da.de wrote: Hi John, as I understand it, you created the base map in QGIS. If you use the measure tool in QGIS to get the distance between two distinct features in the map (e.g. road intersections) and then measure the same distance on the printed base map with a ruler, it should be possible to calculate the scale. Maybe use two distances, one aligned more or less horizontally and one vertically, to check if the scaling is proportional. As Andreas pointed out, it is probably a problem with the settings when the PDF was printed. In my experience it is a good idea to go to print shops usually working for architects and engineers since they are familiar with the importance of scaling (for advertising etc. it is more important that the whole content is printed, so that scaling might be used to fit the output to the printable area without potential cropping). You can print directly to a plotter in QGIS if you have access to the device, avoiding the PDF detour. EPSG 2264 should be fine. Units should be US feet. Regards Jochen Am 27.05.21 um 07:15 schrieb John Antkowiak: Hi. This plan was too simple to fail - but it failed. The charity whose project this is needed a large (that is... massive) paper wall map on which to plot and rethink its delivery driver assignments. Both drivers and delivery addresses are subject to change from week to week but it's not a pizza delivery; this is a regular run to supply people in a bad way. So the plan was to print the base map (roads and road names and county boundaries only) and then print 8.5 x 11 address maps with parcel data and orthos. That way, the base maps don't change but the physical parcel layer is flexible. (On top of that is a third paper layer indicating which drivers go where so someone can stand back and take in the whole picture graphically. Not a cutting-edge state of the digital art solution, but not everyone is cut out for that. It is what it is.) In order for this to work, the parcel maps have to be the same scale as the base map. Which they were... in QGIS. We have to convert all the maps to PDF to print them, and we had to send the base map PDFs to FedEx/Kinkos to print the 9 map grid panels at 42" by 62" each. When we got the big base maps up on the wall, we discovered the scale did not match the 8.5" x 11" parcel maps output to PDF and printed from home. It's not off by a lot, but it's enough to be painfully obvious from a single standard size sheet of paper. I don't know how to reverse engineer the big map scale precisely enough to enter a new scale number in the QGIS Print Layout. I didn't foresee it because this never would've been a conceivable scenario at the engineering firm where I picked up my meager GIS skills. (ArcMap sent a map directly to the plotter without interim steps.) There was no scale bar on the map. It shouldn't have been needed for this. Did something happen to the map scale when QGIS output the map to PDF? Could the size of the image on the pdf page have been adjusted manually or otherwise when being sent to a plotter with 42" paper? Could the image have been distorted horizontally differently from vertically? For the life of me, I cannot trial-and-error guess at a scale to enter. I've gone through dozens of new 8.5" x 11" test maps trying to guess the correct scale. Any ideas? Thank you all - John A. ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info:https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe:https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user -- Kirk Schmidt, MScF, BScF, RPF General Manager Nortek Resource Solutions Inc. RR # 1 Thorburn, NS B0K 1W0 Tel (902) 922.3607 Email: k...@nortekresources.com Web: www.nortekresources.com ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
[Qgis-user] Did scale change outputting to PDF?
Hi. This plan was too simple to fail - but it failed. The charity whose project this is needed a large (that is... massive) paper wall map on which to plot and rethink its delivery driver assignments. Both drivers and delivery addresses are subject to change from week to week but it's not a pizza delivery; this is a regular run to supply people in a bad way. So the plan was to print the base map (roads and road names and county boundaries only) and then print 8.5 x 11 address maps with parcel data and orthos. That way, the base maps don't change but the physical parcel layer is flexible. (On top of that is a third paper layer indicating which drivers go where so someone can stand back and take in the whole picture graphically. Not a cutting-edge state of the digital art solution, but not everyone is cut out for that. It is what it is.) In order for this to work, the parcel maps have to be the same scale as the base map. Which they were... in QGIS. We have to convert all the maps to PDF to print them, and we had to send the base map PDFs to FedEx/Kinkos to print the 9 map grid panels at 42" by 62" each. When we got the big base maps up on the wall, we discovered the scale did not match the 8.5" x 11" parcel maps output to PDF and printed from home. It's not off by a lot, but it's enough to be painfully obvious from a single standard size sheet of paper. I don't know how to reverse engineer the big map scale precisely enough to enter a new scale number in the QGIS Print Layout. I didn't foresee it because this never would've been a conceivable scenario at the engineering firm where I picked up my meager GIS skills. (ArcMap sent a map directly to the plotter without interim steps.) There was no scale bar on the map. It shouldn't have been needed for this. Did something happen to the map scale when QGIS output the map to PDF? Could the size of the image on the pdf page have been adjusted manually or otherwise when being sent to a plotter with 42" paper? Could the image have been distorted horizontally differently from vertically? For the life of me, I cannot trial-and-error guess at a scale to enter. I've gone through dozens of new 8.5" x 11" test maps trying to guess the correct scale. Any ideas? Thank you all - John A.___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Did scale change outputting to PDF?
Hi John, as I understand it, you created the base map in QGIS. If you use the measure tool in QGIS to get the distance between two distinct features in the map (e.g. road intersections) and then measure the same distance on the printed base map with a ruler, it should be possible to calculate the scale. Maybe use two distances, one aligned more or less horizontally and one vertically, to check if the scaling is proportional. As Andreas pointed out, it is probably a problem with the settings when the PDF was printed. In my experience it is a good idea to go to print shops usually working for architects and engineers since they are familiar with the importance of scaling (for advertising etc. it is more important that the whole content is printed, so that scaling might be used to fit the output to the printable area without potential cropping). You can print directly to a plotter in QGIS if you have access to the device, avoiding the PDF detour. EPSG 2264 should be fine. Units should be US feet. Regards Jochen Am 27.05.21 um 07:15 schrieb John Antkowiak: > Hi. This plan was too simple to fail - but it failed. The charity > whose project this is needed a large (that is... massive) paper wall > map on which to plot and rethink its delivery driver assignments. Both > drivers and delivery addresses are subject to change from week to week > but it's not a pizza delivery; this is a regular run to supply people > in a bad way. So the plan was to print the base map (roads and road > names and county boundaries only) and then print 8.5 x 11 address maps > with parcel data and orthos. That way, the base maps don't change but > the physical parcel layer is flexible. (On top of that is a third > paper layer indicating which drivers go where so someone can stand > back and take in the whole picture graphically. Not a cutting-edge > state of the digital art solution, but not everyone is cut out for > that. It is what it is.) In order for this to work, the parcel maps > have to be the same scale as the base map. Which they were... in QGIS. > > We have to convert all the maps to PDF to print them, and we had to > send the base map PDFs to FedEx/Kinkos to print the 9 map grid panels > at 42" by 62" each. > > When we got the big base maps up on the wall, we discovered the scale > did not match the 8.5" x 11" parcel maps output to PDF and printed > from home. It's not off by a lot, but it's enough to be painfully > obvious from a single standard size sheet of paper. I don't know how > to reverse engineer the big map scale precisely enough to enter a new > scale number in the QGIS Print Layout. I didn't foresee it because > this never would've been a conceivable scenario at the engineering > firm where I picked up my meager GIS skills. (ArcMap sent a map > directly to the plotter without interim steps.) There was no scale bar > on the map. It shouldn't have been needed for this. > > Did something happen to the map scale when QGIS output the map to PDF? > Could the size of the image on the pdf page have been adjusted > manually or otherwise when being sent to a plotter with 42" paper? > Could the image have been distorted horizontally differently from > vertically? For the life of me, I cannot trial-and-error guess at a > scale to enter. I've gone through dozens of new 8.5" x 11" test maps > trying to guess the correct scale. > > Any ideas? > > Thank you all - > > John A. > > ___ > Qgis-user mailing list > Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Did scale change outputting to PDF?
Hi again John, Another thing: what projection (CRS) did you use? Not all CRS are suitable for printing to scale - esp. the Web Mercator projections are often not suitable. Greetings, ANdreas On 2021-05-27 08:20, Andreas Neumann wrote: Hi John, A very common error when printing PDF maps (regardless of the software that generated the PDF), is that the print shop scales it down to fit the "printable" area. Then you end up at somewhere around 95% (plus / minus) a bit The PDF viewers (at least the Acrobat one) has a setting to print at 100% (but this is not the default) - it has to be done consciously. However, this normally scales uniformly, not separately for width and height. On the topic of "base maps": Can you explain what source/mechanism for "base maps" you used? Are you refering to "tiled" maps, perhaps consumed through the OpenLayers plugin? This plugin is a known to be a source of error for misalignments and the plugin should be avoided. Even if you didn't use this plugin, I have to say that tiled base maps (e.g. consumed by the quick map services plugin or otherwise) are usually not suited for printing as their resolution is optimized for screen viewing. Printing these tiles would result in disappointing quality. Greetings, Andreas On 2021-05-27 07:15, John Antkowiak wrote: Hi. This plan was too simple to fail - but it failed. The charity whose project this is needed a large (that is... massive) paper wall map on which to plot and rethink its delivery driver assignments. Both drivers and delivery addresses are subject to change from week to week but it's not a pizza delivery; this is a regular run to supply people in a bad way. So the plan was to print the base map (roads and road names and county boundaries only) and then print 8.5 x 11 address maps with parcel data and orthos. That way, the base maps don't change but the physical parcel layer is flexible. (On top of that is a third paper layer indicating which drivers go where so someone can stand back and take in the whole picture graphically. Not a cutting-edge state of the digital art solution, but not everyone is cut out for that. It is what it is.) In order for this to work, the parcel maps have to be the same scale as the base map. Which they were... in QGIS. We have to convert all the maps to PDF to print them, and we had to send the base map PDFs to FedEx/Kinkos to print the 9 map grid panels at 42" by 62" each. When we got the big base maps up on the wall, we discovered the scale did not match the 8.5" x 11" parcel maps output to PDF and printed from home. It's not off by a lot, but it's enough to be painfully obvious from a single standard size sheet of paper. I don't know how to reverse engineer the big map scale precisely enough to enter a new scale number in the QGIS Print Layout. I didn't foresee it because this never would've been a conceivable scenario at the engineering firm where I picked up my meager GIS skills. (ArcMap sent a map directly to the plotter without interim steps.) There was no scale bar on the map. It shouldn't have been needed for this. Did something happen to the map scale when QGIS output the map to PDF? Could the size of the image on the pdf page have been adjusted manually or otherwise when being sent to a plotter with 42" paper? Could the image have been distorted horizontally differently from vertically? For the life of me, I cannot trial-and-error guess at a scale to enter. I've gone through dozens of new 8.5" x 11" test maps trying to guess the correct scale. Any ideas? Thank you all - John A. ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Did scale change outputting to PDF?
Hi John, A very common error when printing PDF maps (regardless of the software that generated the PDF), is that the print shop scales it down to fit the "printable" area. Then you end up at somewhere around 95% (plus / minus) a bit The PDF viewers (at least the Acrobat one) has a setting to print at 100% (but this is not the default) - it has to be done consciously. However, this normally scales uniformly, not separately for width and height. On the topic of "base maps": Can you explain what source/mechanism for "base maps" you used? Are you refering to "tiled" maps, perhaps consumed through the OpenLayers plugin? This plugin is a known to be a source of error for misalignments and the plugin should be avoided. Even if you didn't use this plugin, I have to say that tiled base maps (e.g. consumed by the quick map services plugin or otherwise) are usually not suited for printing as their resolution is optimized for screen viewing. Printing these tiles would result in disappointing quality. Greetings, Andreas On 2021-05-27 07:15, John Antkowiak wrote: Hi. This plan was too simple to fail - but it failed. The charity whose project this is needed a large (that is... massive) paper wall map on which to plot and rethink its delivery driver assignments. Both drivers and delivery addresses are subject to change from week to week but it's not a pizza delivery; this is a regular run to supply people in a bad way. So the plan was to print the base map (roads and road names and county boundaries only) and then print 8.5 x 11 address maps with parcel data and orthos. That way, the base maps don't change but the physical parcel layer is flexible. (On top of that is a third paper layer indicating which drivers go where so someone can stand back and take in the whole picture graphically. Not a cutting-edge state of the digital art solution, but not everyone is cut out for that. It is what it is.) In order for this to work, the parcel maps have to be the same scale as the base map. Which they were... in QGIS. We have to convert all the maps to PDF to print them, and we had to send the base map PDFs to FedEx/Kinkos to print the 9 map grid panels at 42" by 62" each. When we got the big base maps up on the wall, we discovered the scale did not match the 8.5" x 11" parcel maps output to PDF and printed from home. It's not off by a lot, but it's enough to be painfully obvious from a single standard size sheet of paper. I don't know how to reverse engineer the big map scale precisely enough to enter a new scale number in the QGIS Print Layout. I didn't foresee it because this never would've been a conceivable scenario at the engineering firm where I picked up my meager GIS skills. (ArcMap sent a map directly to the plotter without interim steps.) There was no scale bar on the map. It shouldn't have been needed for this. Did something happen to the map scale when QGIS output the map to PDF? Could the size of the image on the pdf page have been adjusted manually or otherwise when being sent to a plotter with 42" paper? Could the image have been distorted horizontally differently from vertically? For the life of me, I cannot trial-and-error guess at a scale to enter. I've gone through dozens of new 8.5" x 11" test maps trying to guess the correct scale. Any ideas? Thank you all - John A. ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
