Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-11 Thread Andreas Neumann

Hi Andrea,

WMS allows extensions and GetPrint is one of them. BTW: GetPrint is what 
many organizations find quite attractive. If we improve GetPrint to also 
allow to generate data-sheets and reports by using Atlas functionality 
it will be even more powerful. So I'd rather see GetPrint continuously 
improved than removed.


It is true that in some cases we need to improve to be more standards 
compliant. This is a group effort. Everybody can contribute. Removing 
GetPrint from GetCapabilities, or implementing in a standard compliant 
way, would help. We could still have it listed in GetProjectSettings.


Your other claims, that QGIS server is not ready for real deployments is 
wrong. There are several cities and provinces using QGIS server in 
production mode, including my own organization for 3-4 years now. Speed 
is comparable to other WMS - some times slower, some times faster. You 
can try other Server at http://gis.uster.ch/ and will see that it isn't 
slower than other WMS. On the contrary - people often mention that it is 
quite fast.


QGIS server is lacking some features you listed (including proper SLD 
support, multiple styles, name groups, etc.), but some of the features 
you listed are already there (e.g. the hidden layers (you can exclude 
layers in the OWS configuration tab)). In addition it supports stuff 
that other WMS servers don't support.


QGIS server is and will be what the users want it to be - so everybody 
can shape and influence where it should go. With development work or by 
hiring developers to implement missing features. Having said that, and 
citing Vincent, you cannot just remove stuff that others rely on.


Just ranting about things does not help.

Andreas

Am 2014-06-10 22:38, schrieb aperi2007:

Il 10/06/2014 18:09, Vincent Picavet ha scritto:
We rely on this command for some applications, just removing it is not 
an

option for us right now.
People should stop thinking their use case is the only one and if they 
shout

louder their desiderata will be executed.
Talking about norms compliancy and passing OGC CITE tests is 
important, but

should be done rationnaly.
In this case, backward compatibility should be taken into account as 
well.


Vincent



Il 10/06/2014 18:09, Vincent Picavet ha scritto:
We rely on this command for some applications, just removing it is not 
an

option for us right now.
People should stop thinking their use case is the only one and if they 
shout

louder their desiderata will be executed.
Talking about norms compliancy and passing OGC CITE tests is 
important, but

should be done rationnaly.
In this case, backward compatibility should be taken into account as 
well.


Vincent


Hi Vincent
I guess your point of view is respectable.
You like to protect your work.
This is really a good point of view.

But it is exactly why I'm really unfair for this story of wms 
complaints.


Infact the problem is exactly when someone put a bad and incompatible
solution inside the qgis-server and other start to use it.
Invest on it.

After this is hard to remove it because
they say:

hey! my work is important for me. The backward should be taken in 
account.


This is why I don't like this kind of situation.
And is why I fork my qgis-server to have qgis-server compliant with
the need of ou public-administration.

If this need to have a different product in the future rather than
qgis original. I don't know actually.
I hope no of-course. But I really don 't know now.

To response to you point of view:
I can only say that we
are fund some plugin.at 1.8 level.
With the break api of the 2.0 we must to refund the repair of plugins.
With the 2.2 the plugin stop again to work, and with the 2.4 they
still don't work.
And we are planning to refund again the repair when the 2.4 will go 
out.


And more probably with the 2.6 we will are again to fund for them.

I guess we could say as you:
hey our work is imortant for us. The backward was taken in account.
So stop to change again and again.
Don't ?

So what we should do .
Hibernate all ?

QGIS Desktop is a good software .
QGIS-Server is no so good software. Is too early software.
It need really many investment to reach the level of other software
Gfoss solutions in WMS world.

Of course if an user need only a map-dispenser where there is only 1
user every minute or more surely could use the qgis-server
is more simple and fast to developer (perhaps)
But My experience say that the user need growth rapidly and
qgis-server is not capable to offer more than to usual solutions.
Is surely too few for the actual modern need of a WMS.

No hidden layer, No named groups, No multistyles, No html templating
for response, No GML response in wms, etc

All need that a modern GIS system ask to offer a full experience to the 
user.


You guess the wysiwyg capability of qgis is a must have in wms 
systems ?

I guess yes but only if this mean Have also all the functionality in a
WMS and only if compatible.
Otherwise I prefer other 

Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-11 Thread Jürgen E . Fischer
Hi Andreas,

On Wed, 11. Jun 2014 at 08:39:11 +0200, Andreas Neumann wrote:
 It is true that in some cases we need to improve to be more standards
 compliant. This is a group effort. Everybody can contribute. Removing
 GetPrint from GetCapabilities, or implementing in a standard compliant way,
 would help. We could still have it listed in GetProjectSettings.

It's disputable if the current way is not compliant.

Changing that might break clients that query the capabilities for the presense
of GetPrint if we'd applied a (less-disputable ;)) compliant prefix (ie.
GetPrint to qgis:GetPrint).

Note that this would only apply to the name of the operation element in
capabilities, the actual request wouldn't need to changed.

So it's unclear to me if there are actually any clients that would break.

At least some already use GetProjectSettings, others might just imply GetPrint
without checking GetCapabilities - both groups wouldn't be affected.

The clients that check capabilities would just need to look for qgis:GetPrint
instead or alternatively of GetPrint - and that should just be a trivial
change, when 2.4 is deployed.

Also there are probably not that many clients around that actually use
GetPrint.


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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-11 Thread Andrea Peri
Dockable.mirrormap.
 Il 11/giu/2014 03:17 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:38 AM, aperi2007 aperi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 To response to you point of view:
 I can only say that we
 are fund some plugin.at 1.8 level.
 With the break api of the 2.0 we must to refund the repair of plugins.
 With the 2.2 the plugin stop again to work, and with the 2.4 they still
 don't work.
 And we are planning to refund again the repair when the 2.4 will go out.


 What broke between the 2.X releases? 1.8 to 2.0 is an expected break,
 however 2.X should all work with the same API.

 What is the plugin?

 - Nathan


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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-11 Thread Nathan Woodrow
And what changed that broke it between the 2.x releases
On Jun 11, 2014 10:09 PM, Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dockable.mirrormap.
  Il 11/giu/2014 03:17 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:38 AM, aperi2007 aperi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 To response to you point of view:
 I can only say that we
 are fund some plugin.at 1.8 level.
 With the break api of the 2.0 we must to refund the repair of plugins.
 With the 2.2 the plugin stop again to work, and with the 2.4 they still
 don't work.
 And we are planning to refund again the repair when the 2.4 will go out.


 What broke between the 2.X releases? 1.8 to 2.0 is an expected break,
 however 2.X should all work with the same API.

 What is the plugin?

 - Nathan


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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-11 Thread Gino Pirelli
https://github.com/faunalia/dockablemirrormap/issues

we didn't changed plugin since time, Saber has experienced problems
rendering (it does not display),

at the moment I can't check if it's a regression due to MT or something
different.
but this argument is OT respect this thread.

Regards,

Luigi Pirelli (luigi.pire...@faunalia.it - lui...@gmail.com)


On 11 June 2014 14:16, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote:

 And what changed that broke it between the 2.x releases
 On Jun 11, 2014 10:09 PM, Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dockable.mirrormap.
  Il 11/giu/2014 03:17 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:38 AM, aperi2007 aperi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 To response to you point of view:
 I can only say that we
 are fund some plugin.at 1.8 level.
 With the break api of the 2.0 we must to refund the repair of plugins.
 With the 2.2 the plugin stop again to work, and with the 2.4 they still
 don't work.
 And we are planning to refund again the repair when the 2.4 will go out.


 What broke between the 2.X releases? 1.8 to 2.0 is an expected break,
 however 2.X should all work with the same API.

 What is the plugin?

 - Nathan


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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-11 Thread Andrea Fantini
I solved part .. now try to summarize what I have done now with this
demo into lizmap Montpellier to print the PDF.

While the same operation done on my project generates me this error in the
log file of apache:



*[Wed Jun 11 00:34:15 2014] [warn] [client 127.0.0.1] mod_fcgid: error
reading data, FastCGI server closed connection  [Wed Jun 11 00:34:15 2014]
[error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers:
qgis_mapserv.fcgi  [Wed Jun 11 00:34:17 2014] [error] mod_fcgid: process
/usr/lib/cgi-bin/qgis_mapserv.fcgi(7515) exit(communication error), get
unexpected signal 6 *

However, I have done these steps:

1. Reinstalled debian 7.5 (LAMP)

2. Added to repo file, those qgis (wheezy main deb http://qgis.org/debian
http://qgis.org/debian wheezy main deb-src)

3. Qgis-mapserver libapache2-mod-fcgid

4. Restart the apache server

5. Install of lizmap (in this case 2.9.4)

Nb: my qgis version is 2.2 and the plugin lizmap is 1.9.7. version of
qgis-map server is 2.2.0.

With these steps, the print function for the demo works, it remains now to
understand why it does not work with my project and I generates the log
file of apache error posted at the beginning.

Thanks for the help

Andrea




2014-06-10 18:05 GMT+02:00 Andrea Fantini afant...@gmail.com:

 Hi Michael

 the log file does not exist any mistakes

 what lizmap should print to pdf elements are shape-files displayed in
 webgis lizmap and the default items in the print template present in the
 project of qgis.

 I also tried to create a simple model with only the element map, qgis from
 the desktop, but the result does not change.

 I hope this problem is not only related to my debian server or the project
 of qgis but also to other people 
 I hope for a solution :) unfortunately for my case development printing is
 a very imported . help!

 thanks
 Andrea


 2014-06-10 17:32 GMT+02:00 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com:

 Hi Andrea,

 This must be a QGIS Server error, as Lizmap only build the GetPrint url
 and send it to QGIS Server.

 Could you please be more explicit with the encountered error ? Do you
 have any log in the Apache error log ? (usually in
 /var/log/apache2/error.log if you have not changed the default value ).

 What is the content of the composer you try to print via the GetPrint
 request ? Does it contains any HTML items, or text items with display
 HTML ?

 Thanks for your answer,
 Michael


 2014-06-10 13:05 GMT+02:00 Andrea Fantini afant...@gmail.com:

  Hello

 I developed a WebGIS with lizmap 2.10 but I have a problem with the
 print button is Lizmap with version 2.8, 2.9 to 2.10, that is, when I click
 on the print button I generate a pdf white. For me it works all the rest.

 This problem is also present with the demo present by default in all
 versions of lizmap.

 My server is Debian version 7.5, this is the package x11-common and also
 I also followed this guide:
 http://www.itopen.it/2014/03/13/qgis-server-setup-notes/lang-pref/en/ ,
 but unfortunately the problem remains.

 The project has been realized with Qgis 2.2.

 Thank you very much for your support!

 BY

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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-11 Thread Andrea Peri
(sorry for OT, but I don't know how change subject in google web email client)

I tested it.
On QGIS 2.2. start but don't work correctly.
On QGIS 2.4 rc it simply fully lock the qgis.

I tested it on win7 64 bit (using qgis 32bit)

So we lan to fund for resolve also again it after the qgis 2.4 released.

But is surely not good that on every next releasing of qgis this
plugin will break.

I have no hope that it will still work himself when qgis will release the v2.6
:)

A.


2014-06-11 14:16 GMT+02:00 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com:
 And what changed that broke it between the 2.x releases

 On Jun 11, 2014 10:09 PM, Andrea Peri aperi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dockable.mirrormap.

 Il 11/giu/2014 03:17 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:38 AM, aperi2007 aperi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 To response to you point of view:
 I can only say that we
 are fund some plugin.at 1.8 level.
 With the break api of the 2.0 we must to refund the repair of plugins.
 With the 2.2 the plugin stop again to work, and with the 2.4 they still
 don't work.
 And we are planning to refund again the repair when the 2.4 will go out.


 What broke between the 2.X releases? 1.8 to 2.0 is an expected break,
 however 2.X should all work with the same API.

 What is the plugin?

 - Nathan





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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-11 Thread Andrea Peri
There is available a qgis-server for some online test ?



2014-06-11 10:25 GMT+02:00 Jürgen E. j...@norbit.de:
 Hi Andreas,

 On Wed, 11. Jun 2014 at 08:39:11 +0200, Andreas Neumann wrote:
 It is true that in some cases we need to improve to be more standards
 compliant. This is a group effort. Everybody can contribute. Removing
 GetPrint from GetCapabilities, or implementing in a standard compliant way,
 would help. We could still have it listed in GetProjectSettings.

 It's disputable if the current way is not compliant.

 Changing that might break clients that query the capabilities for the presense
 of GetPrint if we'd applied a (less-disputable ;)) compliant prefix (ie.
 GetPrint to qgis:GetPrint).

 Note that this would only apply to the name of the operation element in
 capabilities, the actual request wouldn't need to changed.

 So it's unclear to me if there are actually any clients that would break.

 At least some already use GetProjectSettings, others might just imply GetPrint
 without checking GetCapabilities - both groups wouldn't be affected.

 The clients that check capabilities would just need to look for qgis:GetPrint
 instead or alternatively of GetPrint - and that should just be a trivial
 change, when 2.4 is deployed.

 Also there are probably not that many clients around that actually use
 GetPrint.


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[Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-10 Thread Andrea Fantini
Hello

I developed a WebGIS with lizmap 2.10 but I have a problem with the print
button is Lizmap with version 2.8, 2.9 to 2.10, that is, when I click on
the print button I generate a pdf white. For me it works all the rest.

This problem is also present with the demo present by default in all
versions of lizmap.

My server is Debian version 7.5, this is the package x11-common and also I
also followed this guide:
http://www.itopen.it/2014/03/13/qgis-server-setup-notes/lang-pref/en/ , but
unfortunately the problem remains.

The project has been realized with Qgis 2.2.

Thank you very much for your support!

BY

Andrea
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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
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Il 10/06/2014 17:32, kimaidou ha scritto:
 Hi Andrea,
 
 This must be a QGIS Server error, as Lizmap only build the GetPrint url and 
 send it
 to QGIS Server.

I think the GetPrint command couold be removed, sooner or later (maybe better 
sooner,
see the recent thread)
all the best.

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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-10 Thread kimaidou
Hi Paolo

I am quite confident the GetPrint command won't be removed. This is an
awesome feature.

To solve the standard getCapabilites issue, we should just pass the print
option info in the getProjectConfig request answer instead of the
getCapabilities answer, and it will be ok.
(I think we better not start a new thread about it here.)

Michael


2014-06-10 17:34 GMT+02:00 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it:

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 Il 10/06/2014 17:32, kimaidou ha scritto:
  Hi Andrea,
 
  This must be a QGIS Server error, as Lizmap only build the GetPrint url
 and send it
  to QGIS Server.

 I think the GetPrint command couold be removed, sooner or later (maybe
 better sooner,
 see the recent thread)
 all the best.

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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-10 Thread Andrea Fantini
Hi Michael

the log file does not exist any mistakes

what lizmap should print to pdf elements are shape-files displayed in
webgis lizmap and the default items in the print template present in the
project of qgis.

I also tried to create a simple model with only the element map, qgis from
the desktop, but the result does not change.

I hope this problem is not only related to my debian server or the project
of qgis but also to other people 
I hope for a solution :) unfortunately for my case development printing is
a very imported . help!

thanks
Andrea


2014-06-10 17:32 GMT+02:00 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com:

 Hi Andrea,

 This must be a QGIS Server error, as Lizmap only build the GetPrint url
 and send it to QGIS Server.

 Could you please be more explicit with the encountered error ? Do you have
 any log in the Apache error log ? (usually in /var/log/apache2/error.log if
 you have not changed the default value ).

 What is the content of the composer you try to print via the GetPrint
 request ? Does it contains any HTML items, or text items with display
 HTML ?

 Thanks for your answer,
 Michael


 2014-06-10 13:05 GMT+02:00 Andrea Fantini afant...@gmail.com:

  Hello

 I developed a WebGIS with lizmap 2.10 but I have a problem with the print
 button is Lizmap with version 2.8, 2.9 to 2.10, that is, when I click on
 the print button I generate a pdf white. For me it works all the rest.

 This problem is also present with the demo present by default in all
 versions of lizmap.

 My server is Debian version 7.5, this is the package x11-common and also
 I also followed this guide:
 http://www.itopen.it/2014/03/13/qgis-server-setup-notes/lang-pref/en/ ,
 but unfortunately the problem remains.

 The project has been realized with Qgis 2.2.

 Thank you very much for your support!

 BY

 Andrea


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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-10 Thread Vincent Picavet
Hello,

Le mardi 10 juin 2014 17:34:34, Paolo Cavallini a écrit :
 Il 10/06/2014 17:32, kimaidou ha scritto:
  Hi Andrea,
  
  This must be a QGIS Server error, as Lizmap only build the GetPrint url
  and send it to QGIS Server.
 
 I think the GetPrint command couold be removed, sooner or later (maybe
 better sooner, see the recent thread)

We rely on this command for some applications, just removing it is not an 
option for us right now.
People should stop thinking their use case is the only one and if they shout 
louder their desiderata will be executed.
Talking about norms compliancy and passing OGC CITE tests is important, but 
should be done rationnaly.
In this case, backward compatibility should be taken into account as well.

Vincent

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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-10 Thread aperi2007


Il 10/06/2014 18:09, Vincent Picavet ha scritto:

We rely on this command for some applications, just removing it is not an
option for us right now.
People should stop thinking their use case is the only one and if they shout
louder their desiderata will be executed.
Talking about norms compliancy and passing OGC CITE tests is important, but
should be done rationnaly.
In this case, backward compatibility should be taken into account as well.

Vincent



Il 10/06/2014 18:09, Vincent Picavet ha scritto:

We rely on this command for some applications, just removing it is not an
option for us right now.
People should stop thinking their use case is the only one and if they shout
louder their desiderata will be executed.
Talking about norms compliancy and passing OGC CITE tests is important, but
should be done rationnaly.
In this case, backward compatibility should be taken into account as well.

Vincent


Hi Vincent
I guess your point of view is respectable.
You like to protect your work.
This is really a good point of view.

But it is exactly why I'm really unfair for this story of wms complaints.

Infact the problem is exactly when someone put a bad and incompatible 
solution inside the qgis-server and other start to use it.

Invest on it.

After this is hard to remove it because
they say:

hey! my work is important for me. The backward should be taken in account.

This is why I don't like this kind of situation.
And is why I fork my qgis-server to have qgis-server compliant with the 
need of ou public-administration.


If this need to have a different product in the future rather than qgis 
original. I don't know actually.

I hope no of-course. But I really don 't know now.

To response to you point of view:
I can only say that we
are fund some plugin.at 1.8 level.
With the break api of the 2.0 we must to refund the repair of plugins.
With the 2.2 the plugin stop again to work, and with the 2.4 they still 
don't work.

And we are planning to refund again the repair when the 2.4 will go out.

And more probably with the 2.6 we will are again to fund for them.

I guess we could say as you:
hey our work is imortant for us. The backward was taken in account.
So stop to change again and again.
Don't ?

So what we should do .
Hibernate all ?

QGIS Desktop is a good software .
QGIS-Server is no so good software. Is too early software.
It need really many investment to reach the level of other software 
Gfoss solutions in WMS world.


Of course if an user need only a map-dispenser where there is only 1 
user every minute or more surely could use the qgis-server

is more simple and fast to developer (perhaps)
But My experience say that the user need growth rapidly and qgis-server 
is not capable to offer more than to usual solutions.

Is surely too few for the actual modern need of a WMS.

No hidden layer, No named groups, No multistyles, No html templating for 
response, No GML response in wms, etc


All need that a modern GIS system ask to offer a full experience to the 
user.


You guess the wysiwyg capability of qgis is a must have in wms systems ?
I guess yes but only if this mean Have also all the functionality in a 
WMS and only if compatible.

Otherwise I prefer other solution.

Because the wms point of view is

one do the work and all the other use it

So if the one must write a mapfile or an sld file is no so bad.
The most important is what see and use the remote user.

The functionality I list over and that qgis as not, are really more 
important of the wysiwyg capabiity of qgis-server.


QGIS has no one of all them ... but has GetPrint.
I say ok, sorry I forgto to say qgis-server is also incopatible with 
all the others.

:))


The shortcut solution is not always the best.
In this case the shortcut is also the worst.
Because it became a blocking for new evolutions.
:)

Your point of view is the confirm of my disagree.

Regards,

Andrea.

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Re: [Qgis-user] LIZMAP ERROR PRINT - HELP!

2014-06-10 Thread Nathan Woodrow
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:38 AM, aperi2007 aperi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 To response to you point of view:
 I can only say that we
 are fund some plugin.at 1.8 level.
 With the break api of the 2.0 we must to refund the repair of plugins.
 With the 2.2 the plugin stop again to work, and with the 2.4 they still
 don't work.
 And we are planning to refund again the repair when the 2.4 will go out.


What broke between the 2.X releases? 1.8 to 2.0 is an expected break,
however 2.X should all work with the same API.

What is the plugin?

- Nathan
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