Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Tim Sutton wrote: > Hi > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Martin Dobias wrote: > > 8<-snip--- >> >> nice stuff. One more thing I have been thinking about is that we could >> do the search in a way the browsers nowadays do it: keep the widgets >> for search hidden by default, saving further vertical space. The >> search bar would be opened only after clicking a search button or >> pressing the usual ctrl+F or "/" shortcut. >> > > Martin what is the possibility of making the search tool work across > all columns efficiently? I know from training courses I give that > selecting the appropriate column when making a search is a common > stumbling block for many users. Right, by default we should search in all columns - I also find it tedious to always select the right column. To make it efficient we should probably just skip the search using the expressions and directly search for specified string within attributes of features. Regards Martin ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
Hi On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Martin Dobias wrote: 8<-snip--- > > nice stuff. One more thing I have been thinking about is that we could > do the search in a way the browsers nowadays do it: keep the widgets > for search hidden by default, saving further vertical space. The > search bar would be opened only after clicking a search button or > pressing the usual ctrl+F or "/" shortcut. > Martin what is the possibility of making the search tool work across all columns efficiently? I know from training courses I give that selecting the appropriate column when making a search is a common stumbling block for many users. Regards Tim 8<-snip--- -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming and support services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
I like: 1. Reduce Margins 2. Split buttons into groups 3. Reduce Min row height (could this be adjustable within a setting of QGIS?) Disklike: "look for" should at least be "Search" or "Search for" Agree or Suggestion?: a simple >magnifying glass search icon< for a "Search" button OR - Simply selecting search parameters (or typing) automagically live searches (possible?) - Replace Search Button with an X button to clear search parameters a simple >magnifying glass search icon with +< for advanced search Onto a separate topic... You must know your way around Designer. I have been trying to figure out if it is possible to create an identity window that allows direct editing within it. I have only a couple hours after work to investigate, but between kids and the need for sleep I don't make much progress! ^_^ Thanks for your UI design remake, It is an improvement, and if searching can be activated LIVE then I agree a Search Button is really unnecessary. mars On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Nathan Woodrow wrote: > Hi all, > > Today I was looking at some different ways to redesign and optimize the > attribute table UI and have come up with a design that I think works well > but would like to get some feedback first. > > I have made two screenshots, showing the old and new dialog at the same > size and using the same Qt theme. > > Just a plain comparison screenshot : > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Plain.png > Comparison screenshot with notes : > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Noted.png > > The main things are: > >1. Make the min row height to 16. This removes the empty space below >the text in the current UI and allows more rows to be shown with less >wasted space. >2. Reduce some of the margins around the controls. >3. Move the search stuff to the top in order to give search text more >space and group the items better. All search options at the top. >4. Replace Advanced search button with a hyperlink style button. This >is less distracting from a UI point of view IMO. >5. Remove Search button as Enter on the keyboard does the same thing. >Is a button really needed? >6. Split buttons at bottom into two groups. Actions for current >selection and stuff that only works in edit mode e.g. adding new column. > > Over all you can show about 4 more rows depending on the theme. Having > the search at the top for me feels better as it is less cramped then where > it is now and makes more sense to click Show Selected Only and seeing the > results below. > > Anyone have any thoughts about the design? > > - Nathan > > ___ > Qgis-user mailing list > Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/14/2011 10:15 PM, Alister Hood wrote: > Hi Ivan, > What version are you using? > It works for me in current trunk... well, almost. The only case where > it doesn't update is when I deselect features by ctrl-clicking on rows > in the attribute table. > Note: if this _is_ fixed then #2065 can be closed. I am using 1.7.1 on Debian Squeeze Linux. It works when selecting features by clicking to map, but does not work with 'search' button in attribute table (which also selects features in map) - -- Ivan Mincik, Gista s.r.o. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7CV/oACgkQVqso/9cUsCzL5QCeIVeFIu0dhR3fwOzTHYAFLHis pWoAmQG5/dWOI91kbQugo9ipI2BZYc2d =Kk7l -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
Hi Ivan, What version are you using? It works for me in current trunk... well, almost. The only case where it doesn't update is when I deselect features by ctrl-clicking on rows in the attribute table. Note: if this _is_ fixed then #2065 can be closed. Alister > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:26:56 +0100 > From: Ivan Mincik > Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign > To: Nathan Woodrow , qgis-user > > Message-ID: <4ec14f60.7060...@gista.sk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Nathan, thanks for Your proposal, I like it too. > > I have one note to current 'Show selected only' check box behavior. > Currently, when enabled, it does not take to account updates in list of > searched records. > > Example: > 1. Open attribute table > 2. Enable 'Show selected only' > 3. Search for some record > 4. Attribute table is empty until re-enabling 'Show selected only' or > pressing 'Move selection to top' > > For a long time I am not sure if it is bug or feature. May it can be > fixed/changed when implementing Your work. > > > - -- > Ivan Mincik, Gista s.r.o. ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nathan, thanks for Your proposal, I like it too. I have one note to current 'Show selected only' check box behavior. Currently, when enabled, it does not take to account updates in list of searched records. Example: 1. Open attribute table 2. Enable 'Show selected only' 3. Search for some record 4. Attribute table is empty until re-enabling 'Show selected only' or pressing 'Move selection to top' For a long time I am not sure if it is bug or feature. May it can be fixed/changed when implementing Your work. - -- Ivan Mincik, Gista s.r.o. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7BT2AACgkQVqso/9cUsCzFEwCgyYNKXNHyf1Auhqn1kGye4iH6 Vp8AoNkXTQtUIvTs43Tc6qZfGxqr+5/q =Me0W -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Nathan Woodrow wrote: > Hi all, > Today I was looking at some different ways to redesign and optimize the > attribute table UI and have come up with a design that I think works well > but would like to get some feedback first. > I have made two screenshots, showing the old and new dialog at the same size > and using the same Qt theme. > Just a plain comparison screenshot > : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Plain.png > Comparison screenshot with notes > : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Noted.png Hi Nathan nice stuff. One more thing I have been thinking about is that we could do the search in a way the browsers nowadays do it: keep the widgets for search hidden by default, saving further vertical space. The search bar would be opened only after clicking a search button or pressing the usual ctrl+F or "/" shortcut. Final ideas: - "show selected only" may become a checkable tool button in the group of selection buttons - IMHO the "move selected to top" button may be removed. It used to be there from the ancient times of the attribute table when there was no "show selected only" option Regards Martin ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
>> This is the only change I am not keen on - it feels to inconsistent >> with the rest of the UI for me. Well Tim you know what the _real_ issue is here? The rest of the UI is not consistent with _my_ UI design ;) Nah it's cool I'm happy to nuke that idea and just have a small button. - Nathan On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Tim Sutton wrote: > Hi > > > >>4. Replace Advanced search button with a hyperlink style button. > This > >>is less distracting from a UI point of view IMO. > > This is the only change I am not keen on - it feels to inconsistent > with the rest of the UI for me. > > All the other changes look great! > > Regards > > Tim > > > -- > Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) > == > Please do not email me off-list with technical > support questions. Using the lists will gain > more exposure for your issues and the knowledge > surrounding your issue will be shared with all. > > Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: > * QGIS programming and support services > * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans > * FOSS Consulting Services > Skype: timlinux > Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net > == > ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
Hi >> 4. Replace Advanced search button with a hyperlink style button. This >> is less distracting from a UI point of view IMO. This is the only change I am not keen on - it feels to inconsistent with the rest of the UI for me. All the other changes look great! Regards Tim -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming and support services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
Dear Nathan, the idea to rethink the Ui design is good. I like the idea of having the query stuff on top. I think the "query" button (either labelled or with a symbol) should persist because many users work with the mouse. For them it is more convenient to choose the field in the comboBox and then simply click the button than to switch back from the mouse to the keyboard. regards Bernhard Am 14.11.2011 09:54, schrieb Nathan Woodrow: Hi all, Today I was looking at some different ways to redesign and optimize the attribute table UI and have come up with a design that I think works well but would like to get some feedback first. I have made two screenshots, showing the old and new dialog at the same size and using the same Qt theme. Just a plain comparison screenshot : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Plain.png Comparison screenshot with notes : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Noted.png The main things are: 1. Make the min row height to 16. This removes the empty space below the text in the current UI and allows more rows to be shown with less wasted space. 2. Reduce some of the margins around the controls. 3. Move the search stuff to the top in order to give search text more space and group the items better. All search options at the top. 4. Replace Advanced search button with a hyperlink style button. This is less distracting from a UI point of view IMO. 5. Remove Search button as Enter on the keyboard does the same thing. Is a button really needed? 6. Split buttons at bottom into two groups. Actions for current selection and stuff that only works in edit mode e.g. adding new column. Over all you can show about 4 more rows depending on the theme. Having the search at the top for me feels better as it is less cramped then where it is now and makes more sense to click Show Selected Only and seeing the results below. Anyone have any thoughts about the design? - Nathan Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Server. http://www.nod32.com ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Server. http://www.nod32.com -- Bernhard Ströbl Anwendungsbetreuer GIS Kommunale Immobilien Jena Am Anger 26 07743 Jena Tel.: 03641 49- 5190 E-Mail: bernhard.stro...@jena.de Internet: www.kij.de Kommunale Immobilien Jena Eigenbetrieb der Stadt Jena Werkleiter: Thomas Dirkes Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Server. http://www.nod32.com ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
Hi Nathan This looks great to me and it's an excellent initiative. My only concern is that if "the advanced search" is plainly replaced by "Advanced" it may not be clear what's behind it Could "search" and "search advanced" not be replaced by an icon, whereby the advanced one would have the same icon but with a "+" or so? Best wishes and thanks a lot Stefaan From: Nathan Woodrow To: qgis-develo...@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-user Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011, 9:54 Subject: [Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign Hi all, Today I was looking at some different ways to redesign and optimize the attribute table UI and have come up with a design that I think works well but would like to get some feedback first. I have made two screenshots, showing the old and new dialog at the same size and using the same Qt theme. Just a plain comparison screenshot : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Plain.png Comparison screenshot with notes : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Noted.png The main things are: 1. Make the min row height to 16. This removes the empty space below the text in the current UI and allows more rows to be shown with less wasted space. 2. Reduce some of the margins around the controls. 3. Move the search stuff to the top in order to give search text more space and group the items better. All search options at the top. 4. Replace Advanced search button with a hyperlink style button. This is less distracting from a UI point of view IMO. 5. Remove Search button as Enter on the keyboard does the same thing. Is a button really needed? 6. Split buttons at bottom into two groups. Actions for current selection and stuff that only works in edit mode e.g. adding new column. Over all you can show about 4 more rows depending on the theme. Having the search at the top for me feels better as it is less cramped then where it is now and makes more sense to click Show Selected Only and seeing the results below. Anyone have any thoughts about the design? - Nathan ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user _ http://www.mozambiqueflora.com/index.php GSM +32 476 61 90 65 (Belgium) Mobile +258 82 89 295 64 (Mozambique) Tel + 32 16 32 97 34 (Department Earth and Environmental Sciences - KU Leuven) http://ees.kuleuven.be/water2011/___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
[Qgis-user] Proposed attribute table UI redesign
Hi all, Today I was looking at some different ways to redesign and optimize the attribute table UI and have come up with a design that I think works well but would like to get some feedback first. I have made two screenshots, showing the old and new dialog at the same size and using the same Qt theme. Just a plain comparison screenshot : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Plain.png Comparison screenshot with notes : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6170988/Noted.png The main things are: 1. Make the min row height to 16. This removes the empty space below the text in the current UI and allows more rows to be shown with less wasted space. 2. Reduce some of the margins around the controls. 3. Move the search stuff to the top in order to give search text more space and group the items better. All search options at the top. 4. Replace Advanced search button with a hyperlink style button. This is less distracting from a UI point of view IMO. 5. Remove Search button as Enter on the keyboard does the same thing. Is a button really needed? 6. Split buttons at bottom into two groups. Actions for current selection and stuff that only works in edit mode e.g. adding new column. Over all you can show about 4 more rows depending on the theme. Having the search at the top for me feels better as it is less cramped then where it is now and makes more sense to click Show Selected Only and seeing the results below. Anyone have any thoughts about the design? - Nathan ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
