Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-26 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am So, 26.11.2017, 12:31 schrieb Richard Duivenvoorde:
> On 25-11-17 16:39, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>
>> Before improving the dialog text, we will need some insights into what
>> actually can go wrong and if we are able to predict that a certain
>> output is particularly prone to suffer from deficiencies.
>
> Well at least the 'qt4' part should be removed :-)

And "Postscript" please. Change it to PDF. "Postscript" is missleading,
since PS/EPS have a total different workflow. For example, Microsoft
Office has a professional working EPS import tool, which only a few
users know about (it has been licensed and programmed externally) :-)

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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-26 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde
On 25-11-17 16:39, Matthias Kuhn wrote:

> Before improving the dialog text, we will need some insights into what
> actually can go wrong and if we are able to predict that a certain
> output is particularly prone to suffer from deficiencies.

Well at least the 'qt4' part should be removed :-)

R
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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Matthias Kuhn
I think Nyall will have some more information where things go right and
where they (can) go wrong.

Before improving the dialog text, we will need some insights into what
actually can go wrong and if we are able to predict that a certain
output is particularly prone to suffer from deficiencies.

As a second step we can write a message (or messages) that hints a user
towards potential problems (we see you are using blend modes, these will
be lost when exporting to format X, consider using Y instead) and give
task-focused suggestions (if you want to further edit the result or use
it for interactive web-publishing, use SVG, if you use it for printing
and static presentation prefer PDF).

Bests

Matthias


On 11/25/2017 01:07 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> I added some layers, some blending and transparency, but to be honest
> both in 2.x and 3 outcomes (pdf and svg) were more or less ok to me
> So not sure what it is exactly that I have to do to fail.
>
> The only difference is that in master I do not get the 'let's print in
> raster...' when printing a pdf.
>
> So what about: keeping the dialog (as I think at least for SVG the
> outcome will never be what a designer wants (id's, layers as layers etc
> etc), but change the message to: "Both pdf and svg exporting is done via
> the Qt-library. Results can vary based on complexity of (painting) of
> you map, but cannot be influenced by QGIS itself." or so?
>
> IF in future certain rendertasks appear to screw up either svg or pdf we
> can always add those?
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
> On 25-11-17 12:42, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> In this case I was confused by the term stable in the previous message.
>>
>> If this is still there on 2.99, can you check if SVG export also works with
>>
>> * Transparency
>>
>> * Layer blend modes
>>
>> IIRC, these were the tricky things.
>>
>> Thanks  a lot
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>> On 11/25/2017 12:31 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>>> I think Tobias was talking about 2.99. Just tested and msg is indeed
>>> still there...
>>> Both (svg and pdf) are working here with a simple colored shape with
>>> labels with me.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On 25-11-17 12:20, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
 Hi Tobias,

 there is no stable release using Qt5 so far. Can you verify with QGIS 2.99?

 Thanks

 Matthias


 On 11/25/2017 09:44 AM, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map composer,
> you'll get this warning:
>
> "The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
> deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems with
> layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
> If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested that
> you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not satisfactory."
>
> QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
> Shall I file this as a GUI bug?
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
>
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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Patrick Dunford
It looks a lot better in master than I used to remember from way back (I 
started at 1.8). Maybe Qt have done some work on it.



On 26/11/17 01:07, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:

I added some layers, some blending and transparency, but to be honest
both in 2.x and 3 outcomes (pdf and svg) were more or less ok to me
So not sure what it is exactly that I have to do to fail.

The only difference is that in master I do not get the 'let's print in
raster...' when printing a pdf.

So what about: keeping the dialog (as I think at least for SVG the
outcome will never be what a designer wants (id's, layers as layers etc
etc), but change the message to: "Both pdf and svg exporting is done via
the Qt-library. Results can vary based on complexity of (painting) of
you map, but cannot be influenced by QGIS itself." or so?

IF in future certain rendertasks appear to screw up either svg or pdf we
can always add those?




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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Sa, 25.11.2017, 15:10 schrieb Patrick Dunford:
> It means PDF. I don't recall there ever being a postscript option.

Yeah, that confused me ;)

I wonder, why creating is done by Qt at all. Cairo might be a better
solution. But I can't help at that point :(

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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Patrick Dunford

It means PDF. I don't recall there ever being a postscript option.


On 26/11/17 02:03, Tobias Wendorff wrote:

I know, but the message is wrong. Neither there is QT4, nor there
is EPS export in current QGIS ;)


Am Sa, 25.11.2017, 10:59 schrieb Patrick Dunford:

Vector-based output is available via PDF export.


On 25/11/17 21:44, Tobias Wendorff wrote:

Hi there!

I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map
composer,
you'll get this warning:

"The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems with
layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested that
you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not satisfactory."

QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
Shall I file this as a GUI bug?

Best regards,
Tobias

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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Patrick Dunford
I have produced a number of maps that are exported to produce vector 
graphics that can be inserted into a word processing document to make a 
multipage document. Here there were a lot of issues with the lines 
changing thickness and styles when the SVG export was used. The PDF 
output was much more consistent.



On 26/11/17 01:07, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:

I added some layers, some blending and transparency, but to be honest
both in 2.x and 3 outcomes (pdf and svg) were more or less ok to me
So not sure what it is exactly that I have to do to fail.

The only difference is that in master I do not get the 'let's print in
raster...' when printing a pdf.

So what about: keeping the dialog (as I think at least for SVG the
outcome will never be what a designer wants (id's, layers as layers etc
etc), but change the message to: "Both pdf and svg exporting is done via
the Qt-library. Results can vary based on complexity of (painting) of
you map, but cannot be influenced by QGIS itself." or so?

IF in future certain rendertasks appear to screw up either svg or pdf we
can always add those?

R



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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Hi there,

even on EPS, PS or PDF, output with effects never really work pretty
well. Some flavors of those types don't accept transparency at all.

Actually, I never wanted to remove  the warning. Please keep the
dialog, just update the message. Perhaps a more neutral warning
should be better, like you suggest.

I just was curious because I didn't find EPS/PS export support at
all and this made me wonder about the dialog's content.

Best regards,
Tobias


Am Sa, 25.11.2017, 13:07 schrieb Richard Duivenvoorde:
>
> I added some layers, some blending and transparency, but to be honest
> both in 2.x and 3 outcomes (pdf and svg) were more or less ok to me
> So not sure what it is exactly that I have to do to fail.
>
> The only difference is that in master I do not get the 'let's print in
> raster...' when printing a pdf.
>
> So what about: keeping the dialog (as I think at least for SVG the
> outcome will never be what a designer wants (id's, layers as layers etc
> etc), but change the message to: "Both pdf and svg exporting is done via
> the Qt-library. Results can vary based on complexity of (painting) of
> you map, but cannot be influenced by QGIS itself." or so?
>
> IF in future certain rendertasks appear to screw up either svg or pdf we
> can always add those?
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
> On 25-11-17 12:42, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> In this case I was confused by the term stable in the previous message.
>>
>> If this is still there on 2.99, can you check if SVG export also works
>> with
>>
>> * Transparency
>>
>> * Layer blend modes
>>
>> IIRC, these were the tricky things.
>>
>> Thanks  a lot
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>> On 11/25/2017 12:31 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>>> I think Tobias was talking about 2.99. Just tested and msg is indeed
>>> still there...
>>> Both (svg and pdf) are working here with a simple colored shape with
>>> labels with me.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On 25-11-17 12:20, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
 Hi Tobias,

 there is no stable release using Qt5 so far. Can you verify with QGIS
 2.99?

 Thanks

 Matthias


 On 11/25/2017 09:44 AM, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map
> composer,
> you'll get this warning:
>
> "The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
> deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems
> with
> layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
> If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested
> that
> you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not
> satisfactory."
>
> QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
> Shall I file this as a GUI bug?
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
>
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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Hi Richard,

no, I was talking about QGIS2 (stable), but I was wrong about Qt5,
I'm sorry. I've looked for Qt5 libraries installed only and didn't
check that QGIS2 still uses Qt4. I don't have a clue, why the
installer installed Qt5 anyway.

QGIS2 doesn't have EPS export, does it? I can't find it anymore.
Perhaps I'm looking at the wrong menu again...

Best regards,
Tobias

Am Sa, 25.11.2017, 12:31 schrieb Richard Duivenvoorde:
>
> I think Tobias was talking about 2.99. Just tested and msg is indeed
> still there...
> Both (svg and pdf) are working here with a simple colored shape with
> labels with me.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On 25-11-17 12:20, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>> Hi Tobias,
>>
>> there is no stable release using Qt5 so far. Can you verify with QGIS
>> 2.99?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>> On 11/25/2017 09:44 AM, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
>>> Hi there!
>>>
>>> I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map
>>> composer,
>>> you'll get this warning:
>>>
>>> "The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
>>> deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems
>>> with
>>> layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
>>> If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested
>>> that
>>> you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not satisfactory."
>>>
>>> QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
>>> Shall I file this as a GUI bug?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tobias
>>>
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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Hi Matthias,

whoops... I just checked the installer again and Qt4 AND Qt5 are
selected. I just checked for Qt4 last time.

But there's no more EPS export, so the message should be updated.

Best regards,
Tobias


Am Sa, 25.11.2017, 12:20 schrieb Matthias Kuhn:
> Hi Tobias,
>
> there is no stable release using Qt5 so far. Can you verify with QGIS
> 2.99?
>
> Thanks
>
> Matthias
>
>
> On 11/25/2017 09:44 AM, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
>> Hi there!
>>
>> I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map
>> composer,
>> you'll get this warning:
>>
>> "The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
>> deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems with
>> layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
>> If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested that
>> you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not satisfactory."
>>
>> QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
>> Shall I file this as a GUI bug?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tobias
>>
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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde

I added some layers, some blending and transparency, but to be honest
both in 2.x and 3 outcomes (pdf and svg) were more or less ok to me
So not sure what it is exactly that I have to do to fail.

The only difference is that in master I do not get the 'let's print in
raster...' when printing a pdf.

So what about: keeping the dialog (as I think at least for SVG the
outcome will never be what a designer wants (id's, layers as layers etc
etc), but change the message to: "Both pdf and svg exporting is done via
the Qt-library. Results can vary based on complexity of (painting) of
you map, but cannot be influenced by QGIS itself." or so?

IF in future certain rendertasks appear to screw up either svg or pdf we
can always add those?

Regards,

Richard

On 25-11-17 12:42, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> 
> In this case I was confused by the term stable in the previous message.
> 
> If this is still there on 2.99, can you check if SVG export also works with
> 
> * Transparency
> 
> * Layer blend modes
> 
> IIRC, these were the tricky things.
> 
> Thanks  a lot
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> On 11/25/2017 12:31 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>> I think Tobias was talking about 2.99. Just tested and msg is indeed
>> still there...
>> Both (svg and pdf) are working here with a simple colored shape with
>> labels with me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> On 25-11-17 12:20, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>>> Hi Tobias,
>>>
>>> there is no stable release using Qt5 so far. Can you verify with QGIS 2.99?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/25/2017 09:44 AM, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
 Hi there!

 I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map composer,
 you'll get this warning:

 "The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
 deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems with
 layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
 If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested that
 you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not satisfactory."

 QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
 Shall I file this as a GUI bug?

 Best regards,
 Tobias

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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Matthias Kuhn
Hi Richard,

In this case I was confused by the term stable in the previous message.

If this is still there on 2.99, can you check if SVG export also works with

* Transparency

* Layer blend modes

IIRC, these were the tricky things.

Thanks  a lot

Matthias


On 11/25/2017 12:31 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> I think Tobias was talking about 2.99. Just tested and msg is indeed
> still there...
> Both (svg and pdf) are working here with a simple colored shape with
> labels with me.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On 25-11-17 12:20, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>> Hi Tobias,
>>
>> there is no stable release using Qt5 so far. Can you verify with QGIS 2.99?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>> On 11/25/2017 09:44 AM, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
>>> Hi there!
>>>
>>> I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map composer,
>>> you'll get this warning:
>>>
>>> "The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
>>> deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems with
>>> layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
>>> If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested that
>>> you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not satisfactory."
>>>
>>> QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
>>> Shall I file this as a GUI bug?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tobias
>>>
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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde

I think Tobias was talking about 2.99. Just tested and msg is indeed
still there...
Both (svg and pdf) are working here with a simple colored shape with
labels with me.

Regards,
Richard

On 25-11-17 12:20, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> Hi Tobias,
> 
> there is no stable release using Qt5 so far. Can you verify with QGIS 2.99?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> On 11/25/2017 09:44 AM, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
>> Hi there!
>>
>> I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map composer,
>> you'll get this warning:
>>
>> "The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
>> deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems with
>> layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
>> If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested that
>> you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not satisfactory."
>>
>> QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
>> Shall I file this as a GUI bug?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tobias
>>
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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Matthias Kuhn
Hi Tobias,

there is no stable release using Qt5 so far. Can you verify with QGIS 2.99?

Thanks

Matthias


On 11/25/2017 09:44 AM, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map composer,
> you'll get this warning:
>
> "The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
> deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems with
> layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
> If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested that
> you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not satisfactory."
>
> QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
> Shall I file this as a GUI bug?
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
>
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[Qgis-user] QGIS SVG: outdated warning

2017-11-25 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Hi there!

I'm on latest QGIS2 (stable). When choosing "SVG export" on map composer,
you'll get this warning:

"The SVG export function in QGIS has several problems due to bugs and
deficiencies in the Qt4 svg code. In particular, there are problems with
layers not being clipped to the map bounding box.
If you require a vector-based output file from Qgis it is suggested that
you try printing to PostScript if the SVG output is not satisfactory."

QGIS2 uses QT5 and there's no PostScript export support anymore ;)
Shall I file this as a GUI bug?

Best regards,
Tobias

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