Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

2020-04-16 Thread Matthias Kuhn

Hi Andreas, Barend,

We definitely could have been clearer in the question. But I think the 
"real" organisation size matters as well, the IT infrastructure overhead 
is relative to the organisation size and not the number of users (which 
also would have been interesting).


Note to self: be hyper-precise in future survey questions

Matthias

On 4/16/20 10:01 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote:


Hi Barend,

Right - that question should have been more clearly stated. I agree 
and apologize for not noticing it when we discussed it.


Thanks for filling in the survey!

Andreas

Am 16.04.20 um 09:36 schrieb b.j.kob...@utwente.nl:


Just a side-note: I filled in the survey and said I work in an 
organization of >100 employees. That is because my university has 
almost 800 staff. But only a max of 50 or so use QGIS regularly. On 
the other hand we have 3200 students of which also a proportion uses 
it...


In other words, don't make assumptions on actual QGIS users based on 
that survey question!


--

Barend Köbben

Senior Lecturer – ITC- University Twente

PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (The Netherlands)

ITC Building (Hengelosestraat 99) room 1-065

+31-(0)53 4874 253

On 16/04/2020, 08:21, "Qgis-user on behalf of Andreas Neumann" 
<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of 
a.neum...@carto.net <mailto:a.neum...@carto.net>> wrote:


Hi Michael,

Yes, I interpret it is the nr of employees using (Q)GIS on a regular 
basis within an organization. And it is based on self-declaration and 
there is no control about the numbers whatsoever.


We have quite a nr of municipalities that support us on the "small" 
level as sustaining member.


All is based on a voluntary contribution anyway and you are not 
required to be a member in order to use QGIS.


Greetings,

Andreas

Am 16.04.20 um 02:45 schrieb Michael Dufty:

Sustaining membership works  out a bit steep for us if you follow
the guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for
commercial software (Manifold).

Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users
rather than total employees?

I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they
have more than 10 employees.

Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership.

*Michael Dufty*

*From:*Anita Graser  <mailto:anitagra...@gmx.at>
*Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM
*To:* i...@jcis.net.au <mailto:i...@jcis.net.au>;
qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org>
*Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

Dear Iain,

Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of
QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss
‘association’
(https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html)
but it is not a registered charity.

To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become
sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining
membership program are described in:

https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html

You can also see who's already supporting QGIS:
https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html
<https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html>

Regards,

Anita



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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

2020-04-16 Thread Andreas Neumann

Hi Barend,

Right - that question should have been more clearly stated. I agree and 
apologize for not noticing it when we discussed it.


Thanks for filling in the survey!

Andreas

Am 16.04.20 um 09:36 schrieb b.j.kob...@utwente.nl:


Just a side-note: I filled in the survey and said I work in an 
organization of >100 employees. That is because my university has 
almost 800 staff. But only a max of 50 or so use QGIS regularly. On 
the other hand we have 3200 students of which also a proportion uses it...


In other words, don't make assumptions on actual QGIS users based on 
that survey question!


--

Barend Köbben

Senior Lecturer – ITC- University Twente

PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (The Netherlands)

ITC Building (Hengelosestraat 99) room 1-065

+31-(0)53 4874 253

On 16/04/2020, 08:21, "Qgis-user on behalf of Andreas Neumann" 
<mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of 
a.neum...@carto.net <mailto:a.neum...@carto.net>> wrote:


Hi Michael,

Yes, I interpret it is the nr of employees using (Q)GIS on a regular 
basis within an organization. And it is based on self-declaration and 
there is no control about the numbers whatsoever.


We have quite a nr of municipalities that support us on the "small" 
level as sustaining member.


All is based on a voluntary contribution anyway and you are not 
required to be a member in order to use QGIS.


Greetings,

Andreas

Am 16.04.20 um 02:45 schrieb Michael Dufty:

Sustaining membership works  out a bit steep for us if you follow
the guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for
commercial software (Manifold).

Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users
rather than total employees?

I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they
have more than 10 employees.

Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership.

*Michael Dufty*

*From:*Anita Graser  <mailto:anitagra...@gmx.at>
*Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM
*To:* i...@jcis.net.au <mailto:i...@jcis.net.au>;
qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org>
*Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

Dear Iain,

Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of
QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss
‘association’
(https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but
it is not a registered charity.

To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become
sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining
membership program are described in:

https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html

You can also see who's already supporting QGIS:
https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html
<https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html>

Regards,

Anita



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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

2020-04-16 Thread b.j.kob...@utwente.nl
Just a side-note: I filled in the survey and said I work in an organization of 
>100 employees. That is because my university has almost 800 staff. But only a 
max of 50 or so use QGIS regularly. On the other hand we have 3200 students of 
which also a proportion uses it...

In other words, don't make assumptions on actual QGIS users based on that 
survey question!

--
Barend Köbben
Senior Lecturer – ITC- University Twente
PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (The Netherlands)
ITC Building (Hengelosestraat 99) room 1-065
+31-(0)53 4874 253

On 16/04/2020, 08:21, "Qgis-user on behalf of Andreas Neumann" 
mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on 
behalf of a.neum...@carto.net<mailto:a.neum...@carto.net>> wrote:


Hi Michael,

Yes, I interpret it is the nr of employees using (Q)GIS on a regular basis 
within an organization. And it is based on self-declaration and there is no 
control about the numbers whatsoever.

We have quite a nr of municipalities that support us on the "small" level as 
sustaining member.

All is based on a voluntary contribution anyway and you are not required to be 
a member in order to use QGIS.

Greetings,

Andreas
Am 16.04.20 um 02:45 schrieb Michael Dufty:
Sustaining membership works  out a bit steep for us if you follow the guideline 
– about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial software (Manifold).
Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather than 
total employees?
I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have more than 
10 employees.

Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership.

Michael Dufty

From: Anita Graser <mailto:anitagra...@gmx.at>
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM
To: i...@jcis.net.au<mailto:i...@jcis.net.au>; 
qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world


Dear Iain,

Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users 
and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ 
(https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a 
registered charity.

To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of 
QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html

You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html

Regards,

Anita




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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

2020-04-16 Thread Bo Victor Thomsen

Hi Michael -

It is 100% voluntary if a company wants to pay for a sustaining 
membership. Pay what you feel is appropriate. Or pay a one-time donation.


As an example : The Danish QGIS Usergroup (of which I'm a board member) 
pays as a "Large Member" each year. We represent a number of 
municipalities and companies that using is QGIS. Every institution pays 
around 300 Euro /year for membership in the Danish User Group.


A large part of the usergroup's income goes directly to the 
international QGIS organisation. The rest is used for QGIS activities 
related directly to Denmark.


Some of our members also supports  qgis.org directly or by supporting 
QGIS development.


The point is: Every organisation supports QGIS  with the amount of money 
they find is appropriate. Or by other method, like directly supporting 
the development of new functionality.


--
Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards

Bo Victor Thomsen


Den 16-04-2020 kl. 02:45 skrev Michael Dufty:


Sustaining membership works  out a bit steep for us if you follow the 
guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial 
software (Manifold).


Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather 
than total employees?


I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have 
more than 10 employees.


Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership.

*Michael Dufty*

*From:*Anita Graser 
*Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM
*To:* i...@jcis.net.au; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
*Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

Dear Iain,

Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS 
users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ 
(https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it 
is not a registered charity.


To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining 
members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program 
are described in: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html


You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html 
<https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html>


Regards,

Anita


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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

2020-04-15 Thread Andreas Neumann

Hi Michael,

Yes, I interpret it is the nr of employees using (Q)GIS on a regular 
basis within an organization. And it is based on self-declaration and 
there is no control about the numbers whatsoever.


We have quite a nr of municipalities that support us on the "small" 
level as sustaining member.


All is based on a voluntary contribution anyway and you are not required 
to be a member in order to use QGIS.


Greetings,

Andreas

Am 16.04.20 um 02:45 schrieb Michael Dufty:


Sustaining membership works  out a bit steep for us if you follow the 
guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial 
software (Manifold).


Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather 
than total employees?


I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have 
more than 10 employees.


Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership.

*Michael Dufty*

*From:*Anita Graser 
*Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM
*To:* i...@jcis.net.au; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
*Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

Dear Iain,

Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS 
users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ 
(https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it 
is not a registered charity.


To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining 
members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program 
are described in: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html


You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html 
<https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html>


Regards,

Anita


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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

2020-04-15 Thread Michael Dufty
Sustaining membership works  out a bit steep for us if you follow the guideline 
– about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial software (Manifold).
Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather than 
total employees?
I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have more than 
10 employees.

Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership.

Michael Dufty

From: Anita Graser 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM
To: i...@jcis.net.au; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world


Dear Iain,

Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users 
and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ 
(https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a 
registered charity.

To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of 
QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html

You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: 
https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html

Regards,

Anita

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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

2020-04-14 Thread Andreas Neumann

Hi Ian,

In addition to what Anita and Paolo already said, I'd like to add, that 
depending on the country you live (don't know about Australia) 
memberships in associations can be tax deducted. On the receiving end, 
membership fees are not subject to VAT in Switzerland.


As mentioned, QGIS.ORG is not a charity. Registering an Open Source 
project as charity turned out to be not so easy as expected (at least in 
Switzerland) and also limits out our ability to decide ourselves how we 
can spend the money we get through donations and memberships. E.g. in 
Switzerland as a charity we would be limited in the ways we can invest 
into QGIS as a software. E.g. we could spend our funds strictly only for 
non-commercial purposes (e.g. not easily pay a company of our choice  to 
improve QGIS or our infrastructure according to our wishes).


Another open source project registered in Switzerland had to split up 
into two entities: one non-profit that deals with all strictly 
non-commercial aspects (such as managing the community, legal stuff, 
etc.) and a commercial part that handles improving the software. In most 
parts of Switzerland, anything related to software development is 
regarded as a commercial activity, no matter if it is open source or not.


However, if there are better countries where QGIS.ORG could be 
domiciled, we could investigate. But we'd have to have a look at all of 
the implications, such as stability, formalities, support or repressions 
from authorities, limitations, tax situation, etc


I think OSGeo is registered as a social welfare organization in the US 
(US 501(c)(4) legal status). But it also took them more than one attempt 
to get there, and from what I heard they tried in more than one state in 
the US. Finally, I think the travel grants they hand out to FOSS4G 
conference participants each year, convinced the authorities that they 
can get the social welfare status. (disclaimer: it might be slightly 
different, but this is from what I remember from discussions).


BTW: we have transparency how we spend our money. Have a look at our 
finance section at 
https://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/finance/index.html


Having said all that, please contact us at fina...@qgis.org should you 
be interested in becoming a sustaining member.


Thanks and greeting,

Andreas

Am 15.04.20 um 08:18 schrieb Paolo Cavallini:

Hi Iain,
let me add: this is not only an ethical choice, but a very practical
one: the support you can give us will translate into very real
improvements (especially bugfixing), so that you'll enjoy a better QGIS
in the near future.
All the best.

Il 15/04/20 07:47, Anita Graser ha scritto:

Dear Iain,

Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS
users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’
(https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is
not a registered charity.

To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining
members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program
are described in:
https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html

You can also see who's already supporting QGIS:
https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html

Regards,

Anita



On 15.04.2020 02:13, i...@jcis.net.au wrote:

Andreas wrote

  


/It was also good to see that 103 out of 1691 respondents represented
an organization with >100 users. I expected a lower number in this
category and was quite surprised./

/ /

This observation triggered in me a thought that as the organisation I
work for is moving towards formal use of QGIS throughout its team – we
should be donating to the QGIS project as that would seem to be the
ethical thing to do. The directors would be quite open to the idea.
There are some questions I have.

  


Is QGIS a registered charity?

  


Is there an entity which we can donate to?

  


What would be a suitable donation?

  


Most business would write off ESRI products through their accounting
system as some form of tax deduction as it is a something you can buy.
A donation to QGIS by business would need to be structures in some way
to obtain a similar benefit.

  


Has anyone any experience in this area?

  


Cheers

  


*Dr Iain Stuart*

*/JCIS Consultants /*

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW, 2134

  


(02) 9701 0191
(0413) 380116 (m)

  



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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

2020-04-14 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Hi Iain,
let me add: this is not only an ethical choice, but a very practical
one: the support you can give us will translate into very real
improvements (especially bugfixing), so that you'll enjoy a better QGIS
in the near future.
All the best.

Il 15/04/20 07:47, Anita Graser ha scritto:
> Dear Iain,
> 
> Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS
> users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’
> (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is
> not a registered charity.
> 
> To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining
> members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program
> are described in:
> https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html
> 
> You can also see who's already supporting QGIS:
> https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Anita
> 
> 
> 
> On 15.04.2020 02:13, i...@jcis.net.au wrote:
>>
>> Andreas wrote
>>
>>  
>>
>> /It was also good to see that 103 out of 1691 respondents represented
>> an organization with >100 users. I expected a lower number in this
>> category and was quite surprised./
>>
>> / /
>>
>> This observation triggered in me a thought that as the organisation I
>> work for is moving towards formal use of QGIS throughout its team – we
>> should be donating to the QGIS project as that would seem to be the
>> ethical thing to do. The directors would be quite open to the idea.
>> There are some questions I have.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Is QGIS a registered charity?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Is there an entity which we can donate to?
>>
>>  
>>
>> What would be a suitable donation?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Most business would write off ESRI products through their accounting
>> system as some form of tax deduction as it is a something you can buy.
>> A donation to QGIS by business would need to be structures in some way
>> to obtain a similar benefit.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Has anyone any experience in this area?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Dr Iain Stuart*
>>
>> */JCIS Consultants /*
>>
>> P.O. Box 2397
>>
>> Burwood North
>>
>> NSW, 2134
>>
>>  
>>
>> (02) 9701 0191
>> (0413) 380116 (m)
>>
>>  
>>
>>
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Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world

2020-04-14 Thread Anita Graser

Dear Iain,

Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS
users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’
(https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is
not a registered charity.

To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining
members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program
are described in:
https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html

You can also see who's already supporting QGIS:
https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html

Regards,

Anita



On 15.04.2020 02:13, i...@jcis.net.au wrote:


Andreas wrote

/It was also good to see that 103 out of 1691 respondents represented
an organization with >100 users. I expected a lower number in this
category and was quite surprised./

//

This observation triggered in me a thought that as the organisation I
work for is moving towards formal use of QGIS throughout its team – we
should be donating to the QGIS project as that would seem to be the
ethical thing to do. The directors would be quite open to the idea.
There are some questions I have.

Is QGIS a registered charity?

Is there an entity which we can donate to?

What would be a suitable donation?

Most business would write off ESRI products through their accounting
system as some form of tax deduction as it is a something you can buy.
A donation to QGIS by business would need to be structures in some way
to obtain a similar benefit.

Has anyone any experience in this area?

Cheers

*Dr Iain Stuart*

*/JCIS Consultants /*

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW, 2134

(02) 9701 0191
(0413) 380116 (m)


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2020-04-14 Thread Iain
Andreas wrote

 

It was also good to see that 103 out of 1691 respondents represented an
organization with >100 users. I expected a lower number in this category and
was quite surprised.

 

This observation triggered in me a thought that as the organisation I work
for is moving towards formal use of QGIS throughout its team - we should be
donating to the QGIS project as that would seem to be the ethical thing to
do. The directors would be quite open to the idea. There are some questions
I have.

 

Is QGIS a registered charity? 

 

Is there an entity which we can donate to?

 

What would be a suitable donation?

 

Most business would write off ESRI products through their accounting system
as some form of tax deduction as it is a something you can buy. A donation
to QGIS by business would need to be structures in some way to obtain a
similar benefit. 

 

Has anyone any experience in this area?

 

Cheers

 

Dr Iain Stuart

JCIS Consultants 

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW, 2134

 

(02) 9701 0191
(0413) 380116 (m)

 

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