Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Hi Andreas, Barend, We definitely could have been clearer in the question. But I think the "real" organisation size matters as well, the IT infrastructure overhead is relative to the organisation size and not the number of users (which also would have been interesting). Note to self: be hyper-precise in future survey questions Matthias On 4/16/20 10:01 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote: Hi Barend, Right - that question should have been more clearly stated. I agree and apologize for not noticing it when we discussed it. Thanks for filling in the survey! Andreas Am 16.04.20 um 09:36 schrieb b.j.kob...@utwente.nl: Just a side-note: I filled in the survey and said I work in an organization of >100 employees. That is because my university has almost 800 staff. But only a max of 50 or so use QGIS regularly. On the other hand we have 3200 students of which also a proportion uses it... In other words, don't make assumptions on actual QGIS users based on that survey question! -- Barend Köbben Senior Lecturer – ITC- University Twente PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (The Netherlands) ITC Building (Hengelosestraat 99) room 1-065 +31-(0)53 4874 253 On 16/04/2020, 08:21, "Qgis-user on behalf of Andreas Neumann" <mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of a.neum...@carto.net <mailto:a.neum...@carto.net>> wrote: Hi Michael, Yes, I interpret it is the nr of employees using (Q)GIS on a regular basis within an organization. And it is based on self-declaration and there is no control about the numbers whatsoever. We have quite a nr of municipalities that support us on the "small" level as sustaining member. All is based on a voluntary contribution anyway and you are not required to be a member in order to use QGIS. Greetings, Andreas Am 16.04.20 um 02:45 schrieb Michael Dufty: Sustaining membership works out a bit steep for us if you follow the guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial software (Manifold). Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather than total employees? I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have more than 10 employees. Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership. *Michael Dufty* *From:*Anita Graser <mailto:anitagra...@gmx.at> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM *To:* i...@jcis.net.au <mailto:i...@jcis.net.au>; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world Dear Iain, Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a registered charity. To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html <https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html> Regards, Anita ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> List info:https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe:https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Hi Barend, Right - that question should have been more clearly stated. I agree and apologize for not noticing it when we discussed it. Thanks for filling in the survey! Andreas Am 16.04.20 um 09:36 schrieb b.j.kob...@utwente.nl: Just a side-note: I filled in the survey and said I work in an organization of >100 employees. That is because my university has almost 800 staff. But only a max of 50 or so use QGIS regularly. On the other hand we have 3200 students of which also a proportion uses it... In other words, don't make assumptions on actual QGIS users based on that survey question! -- Barend Köbben Senior Lecturer – ITC- University Twente PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (The Netherlands) ITC Building (Hengelosestraat 99) room 1-065 +31-(0)53 4874 253 On 16/04/2020, 08:21, "Qgis-user on behalf of Andreas Neumann" <mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of a.neum...@carto.net <mailto:a.neum...@carto.net>> wrote: Hi Michael, Yes, I interpret it is the nr of employees using (Q)GIS on a regular basis within an organization. And it is based on self-declaration and there is no control about the numbers whatsoever. We have quite a nr of municipalities that support us on the "small" level as sustaining member. All is based on a voluntary contribution anyway and you are not required to be a member in order to use QGIS. Greetings, Andreas Am 16.04.20 um 02:45 schrieb Michael Dufty: Sustaining membership works out a bit steep for us if you follow the guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial software (Manifold). Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather than total employees? I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have more than 10 employees. Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership. *Michael Dufty* *From:*Anita Graser <mailto:anitagra...@gmx.at> *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM *To:* i...@jcis.net.au <mailto:i...@jcis.net.au>; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world Dear Iain, Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a registered charity. To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html <https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html> Regards, Anita ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> List info:https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe:https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Just a side-note: I filled in the survey and said I work in an organization of >100 employees. That is because my university has almost 800 staff. But only a max of 50 or so use QGIS regularly. On the other hand we have 3200 students of which also a proportion uses it... In other words, don't make assumptions on actual QGIS users based on that survey question! -- Barend Köbben Senior Lecturer – ITC- University Twente PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (The Netherlands) ITC Building (Hengelosestraat 99) room 1-065 +31-(0)53 4874 253 On 16/04/2020, 08:21, "Qgis-user on behalf of Andreas Neumann" mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of a.neum...@carto.net<mailto:a.neum...@carto.net>> wrote: Hi Michael, Yes, I interpret it is the nr of employees using (Q)GIS on a regular basis within an organization. And it is based on self-declaration and there is no control about the numbers whatsoever. We have quite a nr of municipalities that support us on the "small" level as sustaining member. All is based on a voluntary contribution anyway and you are not required to be a member in order to use QGIS. Greetings, Andreas Am 16.04.20 um 02:45 schrieb Michael Dufty: Sustaining membership works out a bit steep for us if you follow the guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial software (Manifold). Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather than total employees? I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have more than 10 employees. Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership. Michael Dufty From: Anita Graser <mailto:anitagra...@gmx.at> Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM To: i...@jcis.net.au<mailto:i...@jcis.net.au>; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world Dear Iain, Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a registered charity. To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html Regards, Anita ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org> List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Hi Michael - It is 100% voluntary if a company wants to pay for a sustaining membership. Pay what you feel is appropriate. Or pay a one-time donation. As an example : The Danish QGIS Usergroup (of which I'm a board member) pays as a "Large Member" each year. We represent a number of municipalities and companies that using is QGIS. Every institution pays around 300 Euro /year for membership in the Danish User Group. A large part of the usergroup's income goes directly to the international QGIS organisation. The rest is used for QGIS activities related directly to Denmark. Some of our members also supports qgis.org directly or by supporting QGIS development. The point is: Every organisation supports QGIS with the amount of money they find is appropriate. Or by other method, like directly supporting the development of new functionality. -- Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards Bo Victor Thomsen Den 16-04-2020 kl. 02:45 skrev Michael Dufty: Sustaining membership works out a bit steep for us if you follow the guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial software (Manifold). Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather than total employees? I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have more than 10 employees. Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership. *Michael Dufty* *From:*Anita Graser *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM *To:* i...@jcis.net.au; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world Dear Iain, Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a registered charity. To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html <https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html> Regards, Anita ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Hi Michael, Yes, I interpret it is the nr of employees using (Q)GIS on a regular basis within an organization. And it is based on self-declaration and there is no control about the numbers whatsoever. We have quite a nr of municipalities that support us on the "small" level as sustaining member. All is based on a voluntary contribution anyway and you are not required to be a member in order to use QGIS. Greetings, Andreas Am 16.04.20 um 02:45 schrieb Michael Dufty: Sustaining membership works out a bit steep for us if you follow the guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial software (Manifold). Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather than total employees? I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have more than 10 employees. Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership. *Michael Dufty* *From:*Anita Graser *Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM *To:* i...@jcis.net.au; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world Dear Iain, Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a registered charity. To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html <https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html> Regards, Anita ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Sustaining membership works out a bit steep for us if you follow the guideline – about 10 times what we currently pay for commercial software (Manifold). Is it reasonable to interpret number of employees as GIS users rather than total employees? I see my local council is on there as small, and I’m sure they have more than 10 employees. Obviously no limits apply if we go with donations without membership. Michael Dufty From: Anita Graser Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 1:47 PM To: i...@jcis.net.au; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world Dear Iain, Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a registered charity. To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html Regards, Anita ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Hi Ian, In addition to what Anita and Paolo already said, I'd like to add, that depending on the country you live (don't know about Australia) memberships in associations can be tax deducted. On the receiving end, membership fees are not subject to VAT in Switzerland. As mentioned, QGIS.ORG is not a charity. Registering an Open Source project as charity turned out to be not so easy as expected (at least in Switzerland) and also limits out our ability to decide ourselves how we can spend the money we get through donations and memberships. E.g. in Switzerland as a charity we would be limited in the ways we can invest into QGIS as a software. E.g. we could spend our funds strictly only for non-commercial purposes (e.g. not easily pay a company of our choice to improve QGIS or our infrastructure according to our wishes). Another open source project registered in Switzerland had to split up into two entities: one non-profit that deals with all strictly non-commercial aspects (such as managing the community, legal stuff, etc.) and a commercial part that handles improving the software. In most parts of Switzerland, anything related to software development is regarded as a commercial activity, no matter if it is open source or not. However, if there are better countries where QGIS.ORG could be domiciled, we could investigate. But we'd have to have a look at all of the implications, such as stability, formalities, support or repressions from authorities, limitations, tax situation, etc I think OSGeo is registered as a social welfare organization in the US (US 501(c)(4) legal status). But it also took them more than one attempt to get there, and from what I heard they tried in more than one state in the US. Finally, I think the travel grants they hand out to FOSS4G conference participants each year, convinced the authorities that they can get the social welfare status. (disclaimer: it might be slightly different, but this is from what I remember from discussions). BTW: we have transparency how we spend our money. Have a look at our finance section at https://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/finance/index.html Having said all that, please contact us at fina...@qgis.org should you be interested in becoming a sustaining member. Thanks and greeting, Andreas Am 15.04.20 um 08:18 schrieb Paolo Cavallini: Hi Iain, let me add: this is not only an ethical choice, but a very practical one: the support you can give us will translate into very real improvements (especially bugfixing), so that you'll enjoy a better QGIS in the near future. All the best. Il 15/04/20 07:47, Anita Graser ha scritto: Dear Iain, Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a registered charity. To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html Regards, Anita On 15.04.2020 02:13, i...@jcis.net.au wrote: Andreas wrote /It was also good to see that 103 out of 1691 respondents represented an organization with >100 users. I expected a lower number in this category and was quite surprised./ / / This observation triggered in me a thought that as the organisation I work for is moving towards formal use of QGIS throughout its team – we should be donating to the QGIS project as that would seem to be the ethical thing to do. The directors would be quite open to the idea. There are some questions I have. Is QGIS a registered charity? Is there an entity which we can donate to? What would be a suitable donation? Most business would write off ESRI products through their accounting system as some form of tax deduction as it is a something you can buy. A donation to QGIS by business would need to be structures in some way to obtain a similar benefit. Has anyone any experience in this area? Cheers *Dr Iain Stuart* */JCIS Consultants /* P.O. Box 2397 Burwood North NSW, 2134 (02) 9701 0191 (0413) 380116 (m) ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osg
Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Hi Iain, let me add: this is not only an ethical choice, but a very practical one: the support you can give us will translate into very real improvements (especially bugfixing), so that you'll enjoy a better QGIS in the near future. All the best. Il 15/04/20 07:47, Anita Graser ha scritto: > Dear Iain, > > Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS > users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ > (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is > not a registered charity. > > To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining > members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program > are described in: > https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html > > You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: > https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html > > Regards, > > Anita > > > > On 15.04.2020 02:13, i...@jcis.net.au wrote: >> >> Andreas wrote >> >> >> >> /It was also good to see that 103 out of 1691 respondents represented >> an organization with >100 users. I expected a lower number in this >> category and was quite surprised./ >> >> / / >> >> This observation triggered in me a thought that as the organisation I >> work for is moving towards formal use of QGIS throughout its team – we >> should be donating to the QGIS project as that would seem to be the >> ethical thing to do. The directors would be quite open to the idea. >> There are some questions I have. >> >> >> >> Is QGIS a registered charity? >> >> >> >> Is there an entity which we can donate to? >> >> >> >> What would be a suitable donation? >> >> >> >> Most business would write off ESRI products through their accounting >> system as some form of tax deduction as it is a something you can buy. >> A donation to QGIS by business would need to be structures in some way >> to obtain a similar benefit. >> >> >> >> Has anyone any experience in this area? >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> *Dr Iain Stuart* >> >> */JCIS Consultants /* >> >> P.O. Box 2397 >> >> Burwood North >> >> NSW, 2134 >> >> >> >> (02) 9701 0191 >> (0413) 380116 (m) >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Qgis-user mailing list >> Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org >> List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > ___ > Qgis-user mailing list > Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > -- Paolo Cavallini - QGIS.ORG Chair www.faunalia.eu: training, support, development on QGIS, PostGIS and more ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Dear Iain, Yes, QGIS has an entity: QGIS.ORG is the worldwide association of QGIS users and developers. QGIS.ORG is constituted as a Swiss ‘association’ (https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/charter.html) but it is not a registered charity. To help support QGIS, organizations are invited to become sustaining members of QGIS.ORG. The details of our sustaining membership program are described in: https://qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/sustaining_members/sustaining_members.html You can also see who's already supporting QGIS: https://qgis.org/en/site/about/sustaining_members.html Regards, Anita On 15.04.2020 02:13, i...@jcis.net.au wrote: Andreas wrote /It was also good to see that 103 out of 1691 respondents represented an organization with >100 users. I expected a lower number in this category and was quite surprised./ // This observation triggered in me a thought that as the organisation I work for is moving towards formal use of QGIS throughout its team – we should be donating to the QGIS project as that would seem to be the ethical thing to do. The directors would be quite open to the idea. There are some questions I have. Is QGIS a registered charity? Is there an entity which we can donate to? What would be a suitable donation? Most business would write off ESRI products through their accounting system as some form of tax deduction as it is a something you can buy. A donation to QGIS by business would need to be structures in some way to obtain a similar benefit. Has anyone any experience in this area? Cheers *Dr Iain Stuart* */JCIS Consultants /* P.O. Box 2397 Burwood North NSW, 2134 (02) 9701 0191 (0413) 380116 (m) ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user
[Qgis-user] QGIS in the commercial world
Andreas wrote It was also good to see that 103 out of 1691 respondents represented an organization with >100 users. I expected a lower number in this category and was quite surprised. This observation triggered in me a thought that as the organisation I work for is moving towards formal use of QGIS throughout its team - we should be donating to the QGIS project as that would seem to be the ethical thing to do. The directors would be quite open to the idea. There are some questions I have. Is QGIS a registered charity? Is there an entity which we can donate to? What would be a suitable donation? Most business would write off ESRI products through their accounting system as some form of tax deduction as it is a something you can buy. A donation to QGIS by business would need to be structures in some way to obtain a similar benefit. Has anyone any experience in this area? Cheers Dr Iain Stuart JCIS Consultants P.O. Box 2397 Burwood North NSW, 2134 (02) 9701 0191 (0413) 380116 (m) ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user