RE: AW: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing

2009-06-20 Thread Micha Silver


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Subject: AW: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing
From: "Hugentobler  Marco" 
Date: 16/06/2009 09:13

Hi Horst

I also like to have the node tools in a pull-down menu.

Still I think the separation basic editing toolbar / advanced editing toolbar 
makes sense because some advanced tools are probably used less frequently, so 
user should have the possibility to show/hide this toolbar depending on his 
current task.
+1
My suggestion is to hide the advanced editing toolbar by default (for the first 
start of qgis) such that user interface seems less overcrowded for new users. 

Also, I'd like to move the split feature tool to the advanced editing toolbar 
as it probably is used less frequently than 'add feature' and the node tools.
+1
What do you think?
-- 
Micha

Regards,
Marco 


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Gesendet: Mo 15.06.2009 09:09
An: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Betreff: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing
 
Martin and Richard 
 
Great news after long weekend. Thank you very much for the great ability to 
undo and redo the last editings. The editing environment is very matured now.  
 
We should think about to rearrange the two editing toolbars. What about to 
combine p.e. all nodetools inclusive move, add and delete a single node into 
one pulldown button and so on with the other editing tools? 
 
 
Regrads  
Horst 
 
 
 
Dr. Horst Düster 
GIS-Koordinator, Stv. Amtschef 
 
Kanton Solothurn 
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Telefax ++41(0)32 627 22 14 
 
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AW: AW: AW: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing

2009-06-18 Thread Hugentobler Marco

Hi all

So what about grouping the tools to different toolbars by functionality and 
hide all the editing toolbars by default?
A possible classification would be:

vertex manipulation tools (add/move/delete vertex, noding tool)
feature manipulation tools (simplify, add/delete ring, add/delete island, move 
feature, split feature, merge features)
feature creation/deletion (add feature, delete feature, cut, copy, paste)
general(undo, redo)

Like this we have a clean UI by default and possibility to selectively 
hide/show toolbars if needed (and no dropdown buttons).
Maybe there are other classifications that would make sense. 
Let me know what you think.

Regards,
Marco



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Gesendet: Do 18.06.2009 09:54
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Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing
 
Hi!

To be honest I like the view of QGIS being a simple tool for simple 
tasks. But nevertheless sometimes I have to use a bit more complicated 
tools to reach my goal.
I see how fast QGIS develops now and I'm curious what the future will bring.
Stick with the roots is ok - but never forget that anything is evolving 
and so does QGIS.

I personally like to see QGIS able to view 3D Data and not only stuck to 
2D. Maybe thats a high goal to set but - we all have dreams ;)

So for the question of advanced or not advanced .. what about enabling 
advanced options with a klickmark in the options dialog?
To have default QGIS just with easy to use options and show a new 
"advanced" menu (like ftools menu) when advanced features are wanted..

That would be my kind of solution.

regards
Werner


Düster Horst schrieb:
> Tim 
>  
>   
>> Its great that we are adding advanced features but we 
>> should remember our 'roots' in being an easy to learn, easy to use GIS. 
>> Part of that is achieved through keeping UI complexity to a minimum. 
>> 
>  
> You are right when you say what our roots have been. But with the time the 
> amount of new features grows rapidly. QGIS is matured to a Desktop-GIS system 
> with a wide spread of potential users, with the claim from very easy to use 
> up to advanced user. I believe that we can satify both user groups. Disable 
> digitizing - as an advanced feature - will make QGIS to an easy to use 
> Desktop-GIS. Yes in my opinion digitizing is an advanced feature at all. Thus 
> I think there are no conflicts between easy to use and pull down buttons or 
> short cuts etc. 
>  
>  
> Regards 
> Horst 
>  
>   

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Re: AW: AW: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing

2009-06-18 Thread Werner Macho

Hi!

To be honest I like the view of QGIS being a simple tool for simple 
tasks. But nevertheless sometimes I have to use a bit more complicated 
tools to reach my goal.

I see how fast QGIS develops now and I'm curious what the future will bring.
Stick with the roots is ok - but never forget that anything is evolving 
and so does QGIS.


I personally like to see QGIS able to view 3D Data and not only stuck to 
2D. Maybe thats a high goal to set but - we all have dreams ;)


So for the question of advanced or not advanced .. what about enabling 
advanced options with a klickmark in the options dialog?
To have default QGIS just with easy to use options and show a new 
"advanced" menu (like ftools menu) when advanced features are wanted..


That would be my kind of solution.

regards
Werner


Düster Horst schrieb:
Tim 
 
  
Its great that we are adding advanced features but we 
should remember our 'roots' in being an easy to learn, easy to use GIS. 
Part of that is achieved through keeping UI complexity to a minimum. 

 
You are right when you say what our roots have been. But with the time the amount of new features grows rapidly. QGIS is matured to a Desktop-GIS system with a wide spread of potential users, with the claim from very easy to use up to advanced user. I believe that we can satify both user groups. Disable digitizing - as an advanced feature - will make QGIS to an easy to use Desktop-GIS. Yes in my opinion digitizing is an advanced feature at all. Thus I think there are no conflicts between easy to use and pull down buttons or short cuts etc. 
 
 
Regards 
Horst 
 
  


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AW: AW: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing

2009-06-18 Thread Düster Horst
Tim 
 
>Its great that we are adding advanced features but we 
>should remember our 'roots' in being an easy to learn, easy to use GIS. 
>Part of that is achieved through keeping UI complexity to a minimum. 
 
You are right when you say what our roots have been. But with the time the 
amount of new features grows rapidly. QGIS is matured to a Desktop-GIS system 
with a wide spread of potential users, with the claim from very easy to use up 
to advanced user. I believe that we can satify both user groups. Disable 
digitizing - as an advanced feature - will make QGIS to an easy to use 
Desktop-GIS. Yes in my opinion digitizing is an advanced feature at all. Thus I 
think there are no conflicts between easy to use and pull down buttons or short 
cuts etc. 
 
 
Regards 
Horst 
 
 
 
Dr. Horst Düster 
GIS-Koordinator, Stv. Amtschef 
 
Kanton Solothurn 
Bau- und Justizdepartement 
Amt für Geoinformation 
SO!GIS Koordination 
Rötistrasse 4 
CH-4501 Solothurn 
 
Telefon ++41(0)32 627 25 32 
Telefax ++41(0)32 627 22 14 
 
mailto:horst.dues...@bd.so.ch 
http://www.agi.so.ch 
 
- Originalnachricht - 
Von: Tim Sutton  
Gesendet: Mit, 17.6.2009 13:38 
An: Micha Silver  
Cc: Hugentobler Marco  ; Düster Horst 
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Hi 
 
 
Micha Silver wrote: 
> Hugentobler Marco wrote: 
>  
>> Hi Horst 
>> 
>> I also like to have the node tools in a pull-down menu. 
 
 
For me I prefer the current arrangement - 2 toolbars. The user can elect 
to hide & show one if he likes. Pull down toolbar icons are IMHO very 
unintuitive and require two clicks to get at every function (may as well 
use a menu then). Its great that we are adding advanced features but we 
should remember our 'roots' in being an easy to learn, easy to use GIS. 
Part of that is achieved through keeping UI complexity to a minimum. 
 
So -1 from me... 
 
>> 
>> Still I think the separation basic editing toolbar / advanced editing 
>> toolbar makes sense because some advanced tools are probably used less 
>> frequently, so user should have the possibility to show/hide this 
>> toolbar depending on his current task. 
>> 
>> My suggestion is to hide the advanced editing toolbar by default (for 
>> the first start of qgis) such that user interface seems less 
>> overcrowded for new users.
> +1 
 
+1 
 
>> Also, I'd like to move the split feature tool to the advanced editing 
>> toolbar as it probably is used less frequently than 'add feature' and 
>> the node tools. 
>> 
>> What do you think? 
>> 
>>
> +1 
 
+1 
 
Regards 
 
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Re: AW: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing

2009-06-17 Thread Tim Sutton
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Hi


Micha Silver wrote:
> Hugentobler Marco wrote:
> 
>> Hi Horst
>>
>> I also like to have the node tools in a pull-down menu.


For me I prefer the current arrangement - 2 toolbars. The user can elect
to hide & show one if he likes. Pull down toolbar icons are IMHO very
unintuitive and require two clicks to get at every function (may as well
use a menu then). Its great that we are adding advanced features but we
should remember our 'roots' in being an easy to learn, easy to use GIS.
Part of that is achieved through keeping UI complexity to a minimum.

So -1 from me...

>>
>> Still I think the separation basic editing toolbar / advanced editing
>> toolbar makes sense because some advanced tools are probably used less
>> frequently, so user should have the possibility to show/hide this
>> toolbar depending on his current task.
>>
>> My suggestion is to hide the advanced editing toolbar by default (for
>> the first start of qgis) such that user interface seems less
>> overcrowded for new users.   
> +1

+1

>> Also, I'd like to move the split feature tool to the advanced editing
>> toolbar as it probably is used less frequently than 'add feature' and
>> the node tools.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>   
> +1

+1

Regards

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Re: AW: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing

2009-06-16 Thread Micha Silver

Hugentobler Marco wrote:


Hi Horst

I also like to have the node tools in a pull-down menu.

Still I think the separation basic editing toolbar / advanced editing toolbar 
makes sense because some advanced tools are probably used less frequently, so 
user should have the possibility to show/hide this toolbar depending on his 
current task.

My suggestion is to hide the advanced editing toolbar by default (for the first start of qgis) such that user interface seems less overcrowded for new users. 
  

+1

Also, I'd like to move the split feature tool to the advanced editing toolbar 
as it probably is used less frequently than 'add feature' and the node tools.

What do you think?

  

+1
--
Micha


Regards,
Marco 



  


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AW: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing

2009-06-15 Thread Hugentobler Marco
Hi Horst

I also like to have the node tools in a pull-down menu.

Still I think the separation basic editing toolbar / advanced editing toolbar 
makes sense because some advanced tools are probably used less frequently, so 
user should have the possibility to show/hide this toolbar depending on his 
current task.

My suggestion is to hide the advanced editing toolbar by default (for the first 
start of qgis) such that user interface seems less overcrowded for new users. 

Also, I'd like to move the split feature tool to the advanced editing toolbar 
as it probably is used less frequently than 'add feature' and the node tools.

What do you think?

Regards,
Marco 


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org im Auftrag von Düster Horst
Gesendet: Mo 15.06.2009 09:09
An: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Betreff: [Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing
 
Martin and Richard 
 
Great news after long weekend. Thank you very much for the great ability to 
undo and redo the last editings. The editing environment is very matured now.  
 
We should think about to rearrange the two editing toolbars. What about to 
combine p.e. all nodetools inclusive move, add and delete a single node into 
one pulldown button and so on with the other editing tools? 
 
 
Regrads  
Horst 
 
 
 
Dr. Horst Düster 
GIS-Koordinator, Stv. Amtschef 
 
Kanton Solothurn 
Bau- und Justizdepartement 
Amt für Geoinformation 
SO!GIS Koordination 
Rötistrasse 4 
CH-4501 Solothurn 
 
Telefon ++41(0)32 627 25 32 
Telefax ++41(0)32 627 22 14 
 
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[Qgis-user] Undo and redo editing

2009-06-15 Thread Düster Horst
Martin and Richard 
 
Great news after long weekend. Thank you very much for the great ability to 
undo and redo the last editings. The editing environment is very matured now.  
 
We should think about to rearrange the two editing toolbars. What about to 
combine p.e. all nodetools inclusive move, add and delete a single node into 
one pulldown button and so on with the other editing tools? 
 
 
Regrads  
Horst 
 
 
 
Dr. Horst Düster 
GIS-Koordinator, Stv. Amtschef 
 
Kanton Solothurn 
Bau- und Justizdepartement 
Amt für Geoinformation 
SO!GIS Koordination 
Rötistrasse 4 
CH-4501 Solothurn 
 
Telefon ++41(0)32 627 25 32 
Telefax ++41(0)32 627 22 14 
 
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