Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders - and developers?

2014-07-04 Thread Zoltan Szecsei

Fair comments from both Andreas and Jurgen (below).

I was merely trying to see if we should also be looking after the 
efforts of the quiet self funded developer in the back room.


Regards,
Zoltan


On 2014/07/04 09:48, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:

Hi Zoltan,

On Fri, 04. Jul 2014 at 09:07:12 +0200, Zoltan Szecsei wrote:

Whilst recognising the immense importance of financial funding, surely  there
are quite a few developers out there that have added to Open  Source by
giving their own time without receiving any remuneration  whatsoever.

That and/or are doing it on their employers time without being contracted by a
customer.


Perhaps a "bar-counter" showing the number of source-code lines  contributed
in the last "rolling 12 month" period - maybe for the top 10  contributors
only?

That's not as easy as it sounds.  There are bulk changes (eg. indentation) that
would probably attribute lines to people who didn't do the code - otoh those
maintainance task should also get recognition, although LOC does make even less
sense there (same for refactoring to remove clutter and thereby reduce LOC).


Jürgen




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Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders - and developers?

2014-07-04 Thread Jürgen E . Fischer
Hi Zoltan,

On Fri, 04. Jul 2014 at 09:07:12 +0200, Zoltan Szecsei wrote:
> Whilst recognising the immense importance of financial funding, surely  there
> are quite a few developers out there that have added to Open  Source by
> giving their own time without receiving any remuneration  whatsoever.

That and/or are doing it on their employers time without being contracted by a
customer.

> Perhaps a "bar-counter" showing the number of source-code lines  contributed
> in the last "rolling 12 month" period - maybe for the top 10  contributors
> only?

That's not as easy as it sounds.  There are bulk changes (eg. indentation) that
would probably attribute lines to people who didn't do the code - otoh those
maintainance task should also get recognition, although LOC does make even less
sense there (same for refactoring to remove clutter and thereby reduce LOC).


Jürgen

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Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders - and developers?

2014-07-04 Thread Andreas Neumann
Hi Zoltan,

I believe the developers, contributors and translators get their
recognition already. Their names are listed in the about box of our
software. In addition you can read their names on github.

I would not list number of source code lines or number of commits,
because this is meaningless. Already a few lines of codes may mean a
huge improvement, while a ton of other lines may not be that important.
E.g. if someone checks in a lot of SVGs this definitely not as much work
like a sophisticated algorithm dealing with geoprocessing.

I don't think that developers really care about who contribute how many
lines of codes - and if you are interested in that you can already look
it up on github. They provide all sorts of fancy graphics.

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The whole discussion is not one against the other - and who gets the
most recognition. It is simply about a multiplier effect.

Say that a well-known organization like a province, a national mapping
agency or well-known company is sponsoring a feature. This will surely
help other organizations to fund other features.

Right now some people/organizations may have the impression that QGIS is
more or less all based on voluntary work, while we are currently moving
more and more to paid work - which is good in my opinion. There is only
that much you can do with voluntary work. QGIS already has surpassed a
threshold in popularity and organizations rely on it that we can't
support this all with voluntary work only.

A lot of OS projects work this way: PostgreSQL, Linux, Apache,
LibreOffice - the bulk of these projects are run by paid staff. But
there is still the opportunity of voluntary work to be added. And who
knows - you may start as a voluntary contributor and by your voluntary
contributions you may have the opportunity to get paid contracts.

Andreas

Am 04.07.2014 07:07, schrieb Zoltan Szecsei:
> Hi,
> I've been following this thread with great interest.
> 
> Whilst recognising the immense importance of financial funding, surely
> there are quite a few developers out there that have added to Open
> Source by giving their own time without receiving any remuneration
> whatsoever.
> 
> I accept that it will be very difficult to measure one developer's
> efforts against another, but surely they should get as much recognition
> as the guys throwing money at this project?
> 
> Perhaps a "bar-counter" showing the number of source-code lines
> contributed in the last "rolling 12 month" period - maybe for the top 10
> contributors only?
> 
> Just a thought.
> Regards to all,
> Zoltan
> 

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Re: [Qgis-user] Recognition of QGIS feature funders - and developers?

2014-07-04 Thread Zoltan Szecsei

Hi,
I've been following this thread with great interest.

Whilst recognising the immense importance of financial funding, surely 
there are quite a few developers out there that have added to Open 
Source by giving their own time without receiving any remuneration 
whatsoever.


I accept that it will be very difficult to measure one developer's 
efforts against another, but surely they should get as much recognition 
as the guys throwing money at this project?


Perhaps a "bar-counter" showing the number of source-code lines 
contributed in the last "rolling 12 month" period - maybe for the top 10 
contributors only?


Just a thought.
Regards to all,
Zoltan

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