Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

2016-07-21 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde
On 21-07-16 09:05, Matthias Kuhn wrote:

>> https://docs.qgis.org/testing/en/docs/user_manual/processing/3rdParty.html#configuring-external-applications
> I noticed google often brings up links to old documentation pages.
> 
> Would it be hard to print a warning on top of documentation pages for
> old versions with links to the latest and greatest version? (Or even
> better/besides this somehow tweak google into directly displaying the
> links to the latest by default).

Mmm, we do not 'build' the old ones anymore, they just stay 'online'.

But I think we should decide which ones we want to keep online anyway,
and then redirect the links to the old version.
For example 1.8 docs... do we still want that online (Sourcepole QGIS is
not based on 1.8 anymore is it?)/
Same with 2.6... I think this should be redirected to 2.8 version.

For 2.8 (old stable docs) we can create a javascript thingie which
injects some html with links I think, because we put that in the
page-template and rebuild 2.8

Same for 2.14 and testing...

Older versions: more work as I'm not sure if they still 'build' with
current tool chain... you would have to touch every html file there...

Richard

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Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

2016-07-21 Thread Matthias Kuhn
On 21/07/16 08:56, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:

> On 21-07-16 07:02, Victor Olaya wrote:
>> Johanna
>>
>> This is the documentation for configuring 3rd party applications
>>
>> https://docs.qgis.org/2.6/en/docs/user_manual/processing/3rdParty.html#configuring-external-applications
>>
>> Please, if you have some time and can help updating, let us know.
>> Contributions to that doc will be very welcome
> fyi:
>
> https://docs.qgis.org/testing/en/docs/user_manual/processing/3rdParty.html#configuring-external-applications
I noticed google often brings up links to old documentation pages.

Would it be hard to print a warning on top of documentation pages for
old versions with links to the latest and greatest version? (Or even
better/besides this somehow tweak google into directly displaying the
links to the latest by default).

Sorry for the hijacking the thread.

> is the latest and greatest version of that. If you click on the 'fix me'
> button in the footer of that page, you can add text then, without a need
> to build. See "A Step By Step Contribution" for instructions on that:
>
> https://docs.qgis.org/testing/en/docs/documentation_guidelines/first_contribution.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

2016-07-21 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde
On 21-07-16 07:02, Victor Olaya wrote:
> Johanna
> 
> This is the documentation for configuring 3rd party applications
> 
> https://docs.qgis.org/2.6/en/docs/user_manual/processing/3rdParty.html#configuring-external-applications
> 
> Please, if you have some time and can help updating, let us know.
> Contributions to that doc will be very welcome

fyi:

https://docs.qgis.org/testing/en/docs/user_manual/processing/3rdParty.html#configuring-external-applications

is the latest and greatest version of that. If you click on the 'fix me'
button in the footer of that page, you can add text then, without a need
to build. See "A Step By Step Contribution" for instructions on that:

https://docs.qgis.org/testing/en/docs/documentation_guidelines/first_contribution.html

Regards,

Richard



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Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

2016-07-20 Thread Johanna Botman
Thank you Victor,

I will finish my Masters in October. I will be free to assist after that.
Promise.

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From:   Victor Olaya <vola...@gmail.com>
To: Johanna Botman <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>
Cc: "Neumann, Andreas" <a.neum...@carto.net>, Johanna Botman
<joha...@jbotman.com>, qgis-user <qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org>
Date:   21/07/2016 03:02 PM
Subject:    Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options



Johanna

This is the documentation for configuring 3rd party applications

https://docs.qgis.org/2.6/en/docs/user_manual/processing/3rdParty.html#configuring-external-applications

Please, if you have some time and can help updating, let us know.
Contributions to that doc will be very welcome

Thanks

2016-07-21 0:17 GMT+02:00 Johanna Botman <
johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>:
  Hi Andreas,

  Thank you for your response, and I think that your 'other' question is
  valid. I will see what I can do about that.

  But my other point is that there is very little documentation about what
  settings 'should' be applied to enable these providers. That makes it
  hard for users who want to get on with their work if they have to spend
  hours researching and experimenting.

  And, I've been around for long enough to know that I shouldn't whinge
  without thinking about volunteering to do that work myself. I am not in a
  position to raise my hand for that just yet. But you may see that before
  the end of the year.

  ___
  Johanna Botman
  GIS / Assets Officer


  Griffith City Council
  Ph: 02 6962 8168

  Inactive hide details for "Neumann, Andreas" ---20/07/2016 07:34:20
  PM---Hi Johanna,  Orfeo Toolbox (photogrammetry software) i"Neumann,
  Andreas" ---20/07/2016 07:34:20 PM---Hi Johanna,  Orfeo Toolbox
  (photogrammetry software) is quite specialized and is not

  From: "Neumann, Andreas" <a.neum...@carto.net>
  To: Johanna Botman <joha...@jbotman.com>
  Cc: 'Johanna Botman' <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>,
  qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
  Date: 20/07/2016 07:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options



  Hi Johanna,


  Orfeo Toolbox (photogrammetry software) is quite specialized and is not
  part of the standard QGIS distribution. I also have no experience with it
  and can't help.


  GRASS is different - it's a general purpose GIS and should work well with
  QGIS. What are you struggling with regarding GRASS?


  -


  The other question is: are you (I mean your Windows user account) a
  long-time QGIS user who upgraded from older versions? If yes, it can mean
  that some "out-of-the-box" settings don't apply, since you already have
  settings and they won't get overwritten (people wouldn't like that). So
  to judge things, it may be interesting to try from a new Windows user
  account and test if things work fine for a new and clean user account.
  You could then compare the settings and copy them over to the production
  user who upgraded from older QGIS.


  Andreas


  On 2016-07-20 10:45, Johanna Botman wrote:
  Hi Andreas,





  I was having specific issues with Orfeo Toolbox and GRASS. I'm running
  QGIS 2.14.1.





  I work where I have no permissions on my PC, so I struggle with basic
  read/write. My IT unit don't like installing via OSGeo – so that doesn't
  help either.





  Johanna





  From: Neumann, Andreas [mailto:a.neum...@carto.net]
  Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 5:13 PM
  To: Johanna Botman <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>
  Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
  Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options





  Hi Johanna,


  Which provider are you talking about?


  You have to understand that Processing is an open and extensible system -
  many providers can't be shipped with QGIS, because they are very
  domain-specific and would bloat QGIS or because of licensing issues.
  Hence they need to be installed and configured separately.


  However, processing providers that are shipped along with QGIS, such as
  GDAL/OGR/Postgis/GRASS/Saga should work out of the box and I agree with
  you, it shouldn't require extra configuration ideally. So what provider
  are you talking about?


  Greetings,
  Andreas


  On 2016-07-20 01:39, Johanna Botman wrote:


  Hi All,

  I always struggle with the Options in Processing when I try to insert the
  correct path for a Provider. Is there anywhere that there is some
  documentation about what those settings should be?

  I do realise that these come from a variety of sources and may vary from
  installation to installation. But isn't it time that QGIS moved away from
  users needing to know the intricacies of each installation? Why can't
  QGIS work straight out from the installation by now? I want to be getting
  on with my GIS work and analysis 

Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

2016-07-20 Thread Victor Olaya
Johanna

This is the documentation for configuring 3rd party applications

https://docs.qgis.org/2.6/en/docs/user_manual/processing/3rdParty.html#configuring-external-applications

Please, if you have some time and can help updating, let us know.
Contributions to that doc will be very welcome

Thanks

2016-07-21 0:17 GMT+02:00 Johanna Botman <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au
>:

> Hi Andreas,
>
> Thank you for your response, and I think that your 'other' question is
> valid. I will see what I can do about that.
>
> But my other point is that there is very little documentation about what
> settings 'should' be applied to enable these providers. That makes it hard
> for users who want to get on with their work if they have to spend hours
> researching and experimenting.
>
> And, I've been around for long enough to know that I shouldn't whinge
> without thinking about volunteering to do that work myself. I am not in a
> position to raise my hand for that just yet. But you may see that before
> the end of the year.
>
> ___
> Johanna Botman
> GIS / Assets Officer
>
>
> Griffith City Council
> Ph: 02 6962 8168
>
> [image: Inactive hide details for "Neumann, Andreas" ---20/07/2016
> 07:34:20 PM---Hi Johanna, Orfeo Toolbox (photogrammetry software) i]"Neumann,
> Andreas" ---20/07/2016 07:34:20 PM---Hi Johanna,  Orfeo Toolbox
> (photogrammetry software) is quite specialized and is not
>
> From: "Neumann, Andreas" <a.neum...@carto.net>
> To: Johanna Botman <joha...@jbotman.com>
> Cc: 'Johanna Botman' <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>,
> qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
> Date: 20/07/2016 07:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options
> --
>
>
>
> Hi Johanna,
>
> Orfeo Toolbox (photogrammetry software) is quite specialized and is not
> part of the standard QGIS distribution. I also have no experience with it
> and can't help.
>
> GRASS is different - it's a general purpose GIS and should work well with
> QGIS. What are you struggling with regarding GRASS?
>
> -
>
> The other question is: are you (I mean your Windows user account) a
> long-time QGIS user who upgraded from older versions? If yes, it can mean
> that some "out-of-the-box" settings don't apply, since you already have
> settings and they won't get overwritten (people wouldn't like that). So to
> judge things, it may be interesting to try from a new Windows user account
> and test if things work fine for a new and clean user account. You could
> then compare the settings and copy them over to the production user who
> upgraded from older QGIS.
>
> Andreas
>
> On 2016-07-20 10:45, Johanna Botman wrote:
> Hi Andreas,
>
>
>
> I was having specific issues with Orfeo Toolbox and GRASS. I'm running
> QGIS 2.14.1.
>
>
>
> I work where I have no permissions on my PC, so I struggle with basic
> read/write. My IT unit don't like installing via OSGeo – so that doesn't
> help either.
>
>
>
> Johanna
>
>
>
> *From:* Neumann, Andreas [mailto:a.neum...@carto.net <a.neum...@carto.net>]
>
> * Sent:* Wednesday, 20 July 2016 5:13 PM
> * To:* Johanna Botman <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>
> * Cc:* qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
> * Subject:* Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options
>
>
>
> Hi Johanna,
>
> Which provider are you talking about?
>
> You have to understand that Processing is an open and extensible system -
> many providers can't be shipped with QGIS, because they are very
> domain-specific and would bloat QGIS or because of licensing issues. Hence
> they need to be installed and configured separately.
>
> However, processing providers that are shipped along with QGIS, such as
> GDAL/OGR/Postgis/GRASS/Saga should work out of the box and I agree with
> you, it shouldn't require extra configuration ideally. So what provider are
> you talking about?
>
> Greetings,
> Andreas
>
> On 2016-07-20 01:39, Johanna Botman wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I always struggle with the Options in Processing when I try to insert the
> correct path for a Provider. Is there anywhere that there is some
> documentation about what those settings should be?
>
> I do realise that these come from a variety of sources and may vary from
> installation to installation. But isn't it time that QGIS moved away from
> users needing to know the intricacies of each installation? Why can't QGIS
> work straight out from the installation by now? I want to be getting on
> with my GIS work and analysis of data. I don't need to know about the
> details of the entrails, do I?
>
> And yes, I am a Windows use

Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

2016-07-20 Thread Johanna Botman
Hi Andreas,

Thank you for your response, and I think that your 'other' question is
valid. I will see what I can do about that.

But my other point is that there is very little documentation about what
settings 'should' be applied to enable these providers. That makes it hard
for users who want to get on with their work if they have to spend hours
researching and experimenting.

And, I've been around for long enough to know that I shouldn't whinge
without thinking about volunteering to do that work myself. I am not in a
position to raise my hand for that just yet. But you may see that before
the end of the year.

___
Johanna Botman
GIS / Assets Officer


Griffith City Council
Ph: 02 6962 8168



From:   "Neumann, Andreas" <a.neum...@carto.net>
To: Johanna Botman <joha...@jbotman.com>
Cc: 'Johanna Botman' <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>,
qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Date:   20/07/2016 07:34 PM
Subject:    RE: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options



Hi Johanna,


Orfeo Toolbox (photogrammetry software) is quite specialized and is not
part of the standard QGIS distribution. I also have no experience with it
and can't help.


GRASS is different - it's a general purpose GIS and should work well with
QGIS. What are you struggling with regarding GRASS?


-


The other question is: are you (I mean your Windows user account) a
long-time QGIS user who upgraded from older versions? If yes, it can mean
that some "out-of-the-box" settings don't apply, since you already have
settings and they won't get overwritten (people wouldn't like that). So to
judge things, it may be interesting to try from a new Windows user account
and test if things work fine for a new and clean user account. You could
then compare the settings and copy them over to the production user who
upgraded from older QGIS.


Andreas


On 2016-07-20 10:45, Johanna Botman wrote:
Hi Andreas,





I was having specific issues with Orfeo Toolbox and GRASS. I'm running QGIS
2.14.1.





I work where I have no permissions on my PC, so I struggle with basic
read/write. My IT unit don't like installing via OSGeo – so that doesn't
help either.





Johanna





From: Neumann, Andreas [mailto:a.neum...@carto.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 5:13 PM
To: Johanna Botman <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>
Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options





Hi Johanna,


Which provider are you talking about?


You have to understand that Processing is an open and extensible system -
many providers can't be shipped with QGIS, because they are very
domain-specific and would bloat QGIS or because of licensing issues. Hence
they need to be installed and configured separately.


However, processing providers that are shipped along with QGIS, such as
GDAL/OGR/Postgis/GRASS/Saga should work out of the box and I agree with
you, it shouldn't require extra configuration ideally. So what provider are
you talking about?


Greetings,
Andreas


On 2016-07-20 01:39, Johanna Botman wrote:


Hi All,

I always struggle with the Options in Processing when I try to insert the
correct path for a Provider. Is there anywhere that there is some
documentation about what those settings should be?

I do realise that these come from a variety of sources and may vary from
installation to installation. But isn't it time that QGIS moved away from
users needing to know the intricacies of each installation? Why can't QGIS
work straight out from the installation by now? I want to be getting on
with my GIS work and analysis of data. I don't need to know about the
details of the entrails, do I?

And yes, I am a Windows user and I am quite happy with being provided with
an .exe file that just installs everything I need.



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Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

2016-07-20 Thread Neumann, Andreas
Hi Johanna, 

Orfeo Toolbox (photogrammetry software) is quite specialized and is not
part of the standard QGIS distribution. I also have no experience with
it and can't help. 

GRASS is different - it's a general purpose GIS and should work well
with QGIS. What are you struggling with regarding GRASS? 

- 

The other question is: are you (I mean your Windows user account) a
long-time QGIS user who upgraded from older versions? If yes, it can
mean that some "out-of-the-box" settings don't apply, since you already
have settings and they won't get overwritten (people wouldn't like
that). So to judge things, it may be interesting to try from a new
Windows user account and test if things work fine for a new and clean
user account. You could then compare the settings and copy them over to
the production user who upgraded from older QGIS. 

Andreas 

On 2016-07-20 10:45, Johanna Botman wrote:

> Hi Andreas, 
> 
> I was having specific issues with Orfeo Toolbox and GRASS. I'm running QGIS 
> 2.14.1. 
> 
> I work where I have no permissions on my PC, so I struggle with basic 
> read/write. My IT unit don't like installing via OSGeo - so that doesn't help 
> either. 
> 
> Johanna 
> 
> FROM: Neumann, Andreas [mailto:a.neum...@carto.net] 
> SENT: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 5:13 PM
> TO: Johanna Botman <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>
> CC: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
> SUBJECT: Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options 
> 
> Hi Johanna, 
> 
> Which provider are you talking about? 
> 
> You have to understand that Processing is an open and extensible system - 
> many providers can't be shipped with QGIS, because they are very 
> domain-specific and would bloat QGIS or because of licensing issues. Hence 
> they need to be installed and configured separately. 
> 
> However, processing providers that are shipped along with QGIS, such as 
> GDAL/OGR/Postgis/GRASS/Saga should work out of the box and I agree with you, 
> it shouldn't require extra configuration ideally. So what provider are you 
> talking about? 
> 
> Greetings,
> Andreas 
> 
> On 2016-07-20 01:39, Johanna Botman wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I always struggle with the Options in Processing when I try to insert the 
>> correct path for a Provider. Is there anywhere that there is some 
>> documentation about what those settings should be?
>> 
>> I do realise that these come from a variety of sources and may vary from 
>> installation to installation. But isn't it time that QGIS moved away from 
>> users needing to know the intricacies of each installation? Why can't QGIS 
>> work straight out from the installation by now? I want to be getting on with 
>> my GIS work and analysis of data. I don't need to know about the details of 
>> the entrails, do I?
>> 
>> And yes, I am a Windows user and I am quite happy with being provided with 
>> an .exe file that just installs everything I need.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ___
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>> GIS / Assets Officer
>> 
>> Griffith City Council
>> Ph: 02 6962 8168 
>> 
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Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

2016-07-20 Thread Johanna Botman
Hi Andreas,

 

I was having specific issues with Orfeo Toolbox and GRASS. I’m running QGIS 
2.14.1.

 

I work where I have no permissions on my PC, so I struggle with basic 
read/write. My IT unit don’t like installing via OSGeo – so that doesn’t help 
either.

 

Johanna

 

From: Neumann, Andreas [mailto:a.neum...@carto.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 5:13 PM
To: Johanna Botman <johanna.bot...@griffith.nsw.gov.au>
Cc: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

 

Hi Johanna,

Which provider are you talking about?

You have to understand that Processing is an open and extensible system - many 
providers can't be shipped with QGIS, because they are very domain-specific and 
would bloat QGIS or because of licensing issues. Hence they need to be 
installed and configured separately.

However, processing providers that are shipped along with QGIS, such as 
GDAL/OGR/Postgis/GRASS/Saga should work out of the box and I agree with you, it 
shouldn't require extra configuration ideally. So what provider are you talking 
about?

Greetings,
Andreas

On 2016-07-20 01:39, Johanna Botman wrote:

Hi All,

I always struggle with the Options in Processing when I try to insert the 
correct path for a Provider. Is there anywhere that there is some documentation 
about what those settings should be?

I do realise that these come from a variety of sources and may vary from 
installation to installation. But isn't it time that QGIS moved away from users 
needing to know the intricacies of each installation? Why can't QGIS work 
straight out from the installation by now? I want to be getting on with my GIS 
work and analysis of data. I don't need to know about the details of the 
entrails, do I?

And yes, I am a Windows user and I am quite happy with being provided with an 
.exe file that just installs everything I need.



___
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GIS / Assets Officer


Griffith City Council
Ph: 02 6962 8168

 

 

 


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Re: [Qgis-user] issues with Processing Options

2016-07-20 Thread Neumann, Andreas
Hi Johanna, 

Which provider are you talking about? 

You have to understand that Processing is an open and extensible system
- many providers can't be shipped with QGIS, because they are very
domain-specific and would bloat QGIS or because of licensing issues.
Hence they need to be installed and configured separately. 

However, processing providers that are shipped along with QGIS, such as
GDAL/OGR/Postgis/GRASS/Saga should work out of the box and I agree with
you, it shouldn't require extra configuration ideally. So what provider
are you talking about? 

Greetings,
Andreas 

On 2016-07-20 01:39, Johanna Botman wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I always struggle with the Options in Processing when I try to insert the 
> correct path for a Provider. Is there anywhere that there is some 
> documentation about what those settings should be?
> 
> I do realise that these come from a variety of sources and may vary from 
> installation to installation. But isn't it time that QGIS moved away from 
> users needing to know the intricacies of each installation? Why can't QGIS 
> work straight out from the installation by now? I want to be getting on with 
> my GIS work and analysis of data. I don't need to know about the details of 
> the entrails, do I?
> 
> And yes, I am a Windows user and I am quite happy with being provided with an 
> .exe file that just installs everything I need.
> 
> 
> 
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