Re: [Qgis-user] Fwd: New and inexperienced--how to make NASA SRTM work properly?

2007-02-11 Thread Tim Sutton

Hi

You could also try OpenEV for 3d visualisation

Regards

Tim

2007/2/10, Amanda Wintcher [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Brent Wood wrote:

 QGIS (AFAIK) does not support 3D displays of terrain models. It can display
 vector (point/line/polygon) and georeferenced raster (terrain models, imagery)
 in 2D (from above) only- basically a plan view.

Whoops!  I guess I missed that very simple piece of information!  Sorry
about that.

 To use SRTM data with QGIS, I believe you'll need to generate georeferenced
 images from the SRTM terrain model, or download such imagery. GRASS  GMT can
 generate such imagery from the SRTM model. QGIS does not have the analytical
 capabilities to do this (yet).

As said elsewhere on the list, I don't really need to be able to see the
data as 3D (except that it will impress my advisors), and I don't plan
to try and print anything other than flat images in the final product.
I presume that if I have the information in the file, generated using
one of the methods above, that I can still use the elevation data in
calculations of things like visibility or slope via qGIS?  Or am I
really better off using GRASS by itself?


Thank you all very much for your help and patience.

Amanda
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Re: [Qgis-user] Fwd: New and inexperienced--how to make NASA SRTM work properly?

2007-02-10 Thread Amanda Wintcher

Brent Wood wrote:


QGIS (AFAIK) does not support 3D displays of terrain models. It can display
vector (point/line/polygon) and georeferenced raster (terrain models, imagery)
in 2D (from above) only- basically a plan view.

Whoops!  I guess I missed that very simple piece of information!  Sorry 
about that.



To use SRTM data with QGIS, I believe you'll need to generate georeferenced
images from the SRTM terrain model, or download such imagery. GRASS  GMT can
generate such imagery from the SRTM model. QGIS does not have the analytical
capabilities to do this (yet). 
 
As said elsewhere on the list, I don't really need to be able to see the 
data as 3D (except that it will impress my advisors), and I don't plan 
to try and print anything other than flat images in the final product. 
I presume that if I have the information in the file, generated using 
one of the methods above, that I can still use the elevation data in 
calculations of things like visibility or slope via qGIS?  Or am I 
really better off using GRASS by itself?




Thank you all very much for your help and patience.

Amanda
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[Qgis-user] Fwd: New and inexperienced--how to make NASA SRTM work properly?

2007-02-09 Thread Gary Sherman

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From: Amanda Wintcher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: February 9, 2007 6:19:36 AM AKST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New and inexperienced--how to make NASA SRTM work properly?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Apologies if this is too basic (or long) for this list.

I have downloaded some SRTM tiles (version 2 from
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/), and I am particularly  
interested in

N038W002 (Murcia, southeastern Spain).  I have some problems that I
don't know how to solve, and the User Guide doesn't give enough detail
to figure them out.

How do I make the SRTM data appear as 3-D digital elevation models? I
had some help from another person who was able to make it work with an
older version of ArcGIS, but I don't know how to reproduce it with  
qGIS.


This is what I have tried:

Opened the .hgt file in 3 DEM, making sure to select the NASA SRTM
option.  Change projection to UTM has four ellipsoid options:  WG84,
WGS72, NAD83, and NAD27.  I have tried all four in order to see  
what UTM

coordinates I get for the corners of the tile.

To check myself, I then opened up the GEOTRANS 2.3 program in order to
convert the lat/lon coordinates to UTMs.  However, I don't know which
ellipsoid to pick for this part--what is the appropriate choice for  
the

SRTM data?  None of the options gives the same UTM coordinate for the
southwest corner of the tile in both programs.

I saved the SRTM file as a GeoTiff DEM in any case, using the WG84
datum, as I have a set of shape files with an outline of the region  
and

topo lines that someone else has given me and that is the system they
use according to the metadata in qGIS.

I then changed the projection to the following:

QGIS SRSID: 1248
PostGIS SRID: 23030
+proj=utm +zone=30 +ellps=intl +units=m +no_defs

which is described as ED50 UTM Zone 30N, which should be what I want
so far as I can tell, based on the info on the paper maps I am  
using to

navigate on the ground.

So far, I have managed to get all of the layers in the same place and
they look to be in the right spot.  But how do I now make the 3-D
information visible beyond a greyscale background?  What is this  
kind of

operation actually called?

I have no experience in GIS but I am trying to use qGIS for my PhD
project.  I have a set of archaeological sites and I want to look at
their geographic context (e.g. landforms, visibility, etc.) in an
attempt to assess how different kinds of sites are related to each  
other.


Thanks for any help.  A pointer to a more comprehensive manual (other
than the user guide), preferably something that I can download or
otherwise consult offline, would be great, too.

By the way, I am using qGIS 0.8.0 (Titan).  According to the about
page, it has PostgreSQL support and is compiled/running against Qt
4.2.2, if that means anything.  It's on Windows XP, and I have
previously installed the experimental native windows GRASS version
6.3.cvs.  That seems to work okay as the GRASS tools in qGIS seem  
to be

fine.  I don't know anything about coding or writing scripts, but I'm
not afraid to learn how!

Amanda



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Re: [Qgis-user] Fwd: New and inexperienced--how to make NASA SRTM work properly?

2007-02-09 Thread Brent Wood

 
  Apologies if this is too basic (or long) for this list.
 
  I have downloaded some SRTM tiles (version 2 from
  ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/), and I am particularly  
  interested in
  N038W002 (Murcia, southeastern Spain).  I have some problems that I
  don't know how to solve, and the User Guide doesn't give enough detail
  to figure them out.

QGIS (AFAIK) does not support 3D displays of terrain models. It can display
vector (point/line/polygon) and georeferenced raster (terrain models, imagery)
in 2D (from above) only- basically a plan view.

To use SRTM data with QGIS, I believe you'll need to generate georeferenced
images from the SRTM terrain model, or download such imagery. GRASS  GMT can
generate such imagery from the SRTM model. QGIS does not have the analytical
capabilities to do this (yet). 
 
For Open Source GIS type tools to display 3D data, in 3D, I've used GRASS
(NVIZ) and OpenDX. Note that GMT can render a 3D view of a terrain model, but
just generates the single image, it does not provide the ability to view 
rotate the model in a virtual 3D space on screen, but this generally is better
for publication quality cartography than the others which provide better on
screen vizualisation.

A package like VIZ5D may also do what you want.

see these for examples/info:

http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~billh/vis5d.html
http://grass.itc.it/grass60/screenshots/viz.php
http://www.opendx.org/highlights.php?highlight=inaction%2Fgis%2FSubmit=Go



HTH,

  Brent Wood
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