Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Schematics...

2011-02-15 Thread Lee Privett
*lol* It took me a few seconds to realise that *crickets* was not the only 
schematic you had, I kept wondering why on earth someone would call a schematic 
'crickets' DOH!
 
Lee Privett
 
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  Hi all,

  I am trying to collect together all the schematics I can for any and all
  QL-related hardware. Could you please take a few minutes to look through
  your files and see if you have any schematics for anything at all, from the
  QL itself to the gold card to the serial to centronics printer interface to
  the trump card to whatever.

  This effort will be repaid in full, I promise you.

  Here's a list of the schematics I currently have:







  *crickets*


  That's right. None. So if you have a schematic, rest assured I don't have
  it.

  Please, and thank you. :)

  Dave
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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Schematics...

2011-02-15 Thread Dave Park
I have now been sent the schematic for an Issue 6 QL. I will need to clean it 
up some though. 

Thank you mystery benefactor.  

Dave

On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:12 AM, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com wrote:

 *lol* It took me a few seconds to realise that *crickets* was not the only 
 schematic you had, I kept wondering why on earth someone would call a 
 schematic 'crickets' DOH!
 
 Lee Privett
 
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:18 AM
  Subject: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Schematics...
 
 
  Hi all,
 
  I am trying to collect together all the schematics I can for any and all
  QL-related hardware. Could you please take a few minutes to look through
  your files and see if you have any schematics for anything at all, from the
  QL itself to the gold card to the serial to centronics printer interface to
  the trump card to whatever.
 
  This effort will be repaid in full, I promise you.
 
  Here's a list of the schematics I currently have:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  *crickets*
 
 
  That's right. None. So if you have a schematic, rest assured I don't have
  it.
 
  Please, and thank you. :)
 
  Dave
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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread gdgqler

On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:

 
 I have a Gold Card which has the discontinued 40LF220 lithium battery. The
 equivalent MGL0025 is also discontinued, and even with the long shelf life
 of these lithium batteries, the new old stock ones are now useless. When you
 can find them, they were manufactured in 2002 and cost $30+ - one place
 quoted me $140 for a minimum order of 5, plus shipping.
 
 Is there a ready-made adaptor PCB available that will allow me to use a
 CR2032?
 
 Does the Super Gold Card use the same battery?
 
 If not, I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these
 adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks working
 again. I cannot make a guess on price as I have not looked at the cost of
 short-run PCBs recently.
 
 I would be happy to send batches of these to traders in each country at cost
 price.
 
 What is the need/demand for something like this?
 


I would take 3.

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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Schematics...

2011-02-15 Thread Tony Firshman

Dave Park wrote, on 15/Feb/11 08:54 | Feb15:

I have now been sent the schematic for an Issue 6 QL. I will need to clean it 
up some though.

Thank you mystery benefactor.
I have corrected versions of that.  There are errors in the original, 
particularly in the monitors pinouts.


I have a whole pile which I will dig out this weekend, from Thor to 
superqboard.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Bob Spelten

On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:


... I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these
adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks  
working again.

Make sure the total height does not exceed the original.
I had to shave of the legs of the holder to make it fit the QL without  
contacting the metal keyboard plate.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Plastic
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Bob Spelten b...@chello.nl wrote:

 On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:

  ... I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these

 adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks
 working again.

 Make sure the total height does not exceed the original.
 I had to shave of the legs of the holder to make it fit the QL without
 contacting the metal keyboard plate.


There is 7mm of clearance from the top of the ICs below the battery to the
top of the tallest component., Most holders are 7.5mm tall. I have selected
a surface mount, low profile holder that, with the PCB thickness, will not
be taller than the surrounding components - which leaves 1.2mm of
clearance.

Hope this helps...

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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Bryan Horstmann

On 15/02/2011 01:39, Plastic wrote:

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Bob Speltenb...@chello.nl  wrote:


On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:

  ... I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these

adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks
working again.


Make sure the total height does not exceed the original.
I had to shave of the legs of the holder to make it fit the QL without
contacting the metal keyboard plate.


There is 7mm of clearance from the top of the ICs below the battery to the
top of the tallest component., Most holders are 7.5mm tall. I have selected
a surface mount, low profile holder that, with the PCB thickness, will not
be taller than the surrounding components - which leaves 1.2mm of
clearance.

Hope this helps...

Dave
It seems to me that only two pins connect the battery, the other pair 
being support; am I right?


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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Tony Firshman

Bryan Horstmann wrote, on 15/Feb/11 13:42 | Feb15:

On 15/02/2011 01:39, Plastic wrote:

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Bob Speltenb...@chello.nl wrote:


On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:

... I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these

adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks
working again.


Make sure the total height does not exceed the original.
I had to shave of the legs of the holder to make it fit the QL without
contacting the metal keyboard plate.


There is 7mm of clearance from the top of the ICs below the battery to
the
top of the tallest component., Most holders are 7.5mm tall. I have
selected
a surface mount, low profile holder that, with the PCB thickness, will
not
be taller than the surrounding components - which leaves 1.2mm of
clearance.

Hope this helps...

Dave

It seems to me that only two pins connect the battery, the other pair
being support; am I right?

Yes. I have seen some builds of GC/SGC with a plus sign but I don't 
think it is a=on all of them.  Installation instructions will be needed.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Plastic
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote:

 Bryan Horstmann wrote, on 15/Feb/11 13:42 | Feb15:

  On 15/02/2011 01:39, Plastic wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Bob Speltenb...@chello.nl wrote:

  On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:

 ... I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these

 adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks
 working again.

  Make sure the total height does not exceed the original.
 I had to shave of the legs of the holder to make it fit the QL without
 contacting the metal keyboard plate.

  There is 7mm of clearance from the top of the ICs below the battery to
 the
 top of the tallest component., Most holders are 7.5mm tall. I have
 selected
 a surface mount, low profile holder that, with the PCB thickness, will
 not
 be taller than the surrounding components - which leaves 1.2mm of
 clearance.

 Hope this helps...

 Dave

 It seems to me that only two pins connect the battery, the other pair
 being support; am I right?

  Yes. I have seen some builds of GC/SGC with a plus sign but I don't think
 it is a=on all of them.  Installation instructions will be needed.


I will do a 1-off design verification board. Yes, only the top left pin was
+3.0v, and the other three were 0v. On the GC only the bottom right pin was
connected, but on other designs, other pins may have been used. So the PCB
will have the +ve pin, then all the ground pins will be linked. This way,
the board will also fit other designs that used the same battery.

Later I will remove the ICs and continuity test to confirm the board is
electrically the same as appearance, as it is a 4-layer board and there may
be a hidden via.

I will include full, IKEA-style instructions :)

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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Vittorio Davinelli


Il giorno 15/feb/11, alle ore 00:06, Plastic ha scritto:



I didn't notice it was socketed and thought it was soldered to the  
board and

those were spacers *laughs*

I will have to locate some pins or leads that fit the socket, but  
yes, Rich

is correct: no soldering required.

I am prepared to commit to making a batch of 100 if I see any other  
signs of

interest in addition to Rich's observation...

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I would take two.
I currently have a SGC whith the original battery still working and a  
GC whith a CR 2032 put in a socket connected by two flying wires  
soldered on it and inserted in + and - pins on the GC battery socket.  
It works, but a more reliable and stable solution is welcome.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Tony Firshman

Plastic wrote, on 15/Feb/11 14:03 | Feb15:


I will include full, IKEA-style instructions :)


... so it will be flat pack then and have a strange name (8-)#

I think the best was a table top called Bra.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Plastic
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org wrote:

 On 15/02/2011 02:03, Plastic wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Tony Firshmant...@firshman.co.uk
  wrote:

  Bryan Horstmann wrote, on 15/Feb/11 13:42 | Feb15:

  On 15/02/2011 01:39, Plastic wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Bob Speltenb...@chello.nl  wrote:

  On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:

 ... I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these

  adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks
 working again.

  Make sure the total height does not exceed the original.

 I had to shave of the legs of the holder to make it fit the QL without
 contacting the metal keyboard plate.

  There is 7mm of clearance from the top of the ICs below the battery
 to

 the
 top of the tallest component., Most holders are 7.5mm tall. I have
 selected
 a surface mount, low profile holder that, with the PCB thickness, will
 not
 be taller than the surrounding components - which leaves 1.2mm of
 clearance.

 Hope this helps...

 Dave

  It seems to me that only two pins connect the battery, the other pair
 being support; am I right?

  Yes. I have seen some builds of GC/SGC with a plus sign but I don't
 think

 it is a=on all of them.  Installation instructions will be needed.


 I will do a 1-off design verification board. Yes, only the top left pin
 was
 +3.0v, and the other three were 0v. On the GC only the bottom right pin
 was
 connected, but on other designs, other pins may have been used. So the PCB
 will have the +ve pin, then all the ground pins will be linked. This way,
 the board will also fit other designs that used the same battery.

 Later I will remove the ICs and continuity test to confirm the board is
 electrically the same as appearance, as it is a 4-layer board and there
 may
 be a hidden via.

 I will include full, IKEA-style instructions :)

 Dave
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 On my SAFT battery only two pins are connected, + and - , the other two are
 isolated.

 Bryan


On my SAFT example here (date code 97 12) there is a +ve indication top left
but no -ve indication. All three other pins have continuity to each other.
Is your different?

Mine is labeled:

===
   *+*SAFT
   memoguard
 40 LF 220
 Lithium 3V

97 02
===

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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Adrian Ives
Yes, I did this a year ago for my two SGCs and found the same difficulty -
in my case it was proximity to the card in the next expansion slot of the
Qplane.  A surface mount battery holder will sort that.

Rich, whatever did you do with the PCB design that I sent you for these
battery holders back then?


Adrian

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Sent: 15 February 2011 13:31
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:

 ... I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these 
 adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks 
 working again.
Make sure the total height does not exceed the original.
I had to shave of the legs of the holder to make it fit the QL without
contacting the metal keyboard plate.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Bryan Horstmann

On 15/02/2011 02:35, Plastic wrote:

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Bryan Horstmannb...@newlan.org  wrote:


On 15/02/2011 02:03, Plastic wrote:


On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Tony Firshmant...@firshman.co.uk
  wrote:

  Bryan Horstmann wrote, on 15/Feb/11 13:42 | Feb15:

  On 15/02/2011 01:39, Plastic wrote:


On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Bob Speltenb...@chello.nl   wrote:

  On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:38, Plastic wrote:


... I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these

  adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks

working again.

  Make sure the total height does not exceed the original.


I had to shave of the legs of the holder to make it fit the QL without
contacting the metal keyboard plate.

  There is 7mm of clearance from the top of the ICs below the battery
to


the
top of the tallest component., Most holders are 7.5mm tall. I have
selected
a surface mount, low profile holder that, with the PCB thickness, will
not
be taller than the surrounding components - which leaves 1.2mm of
clearance.

Hope this helps...

Dave

  It seems to me that only two pins connect the battery, the other pair

being support; am I right?

  Yes. I have seen some builds of GC/SGC with a plus sign but I don't
think


it is a=on all of them.  Installation instructions will be needed.


I will do a 1-off design verification board. Yes, only the top left pin
was
+3.0v, and the other three were 0v. On the GC only the bottom right pin
was
connected, but on other designs, other pins may have been used. So the PCB
will have the +ve pin, then all the ground pins will be linked. This way,
the board will also fit other designs that used the same battery.

Later I will remove the ICs and continuity test to confirm the board is
electrically the same as appearance, as it is a 4-layer board and there
may
be a hidden via.

I will include full, IKEA-style instructions :)

Dave
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On my SAFT battery only two pins are connected, + and - , the other two are
isolated.

Bryan



On my SAFT example here (date code 97 12) there is a +ve indication top left
but no -ve indication. All three other pins have continuity to each other.
Is your different?

Mine is labeled:

===
*+*SAFT
memoguard
  40 LF 220
  Lithium 3V

97 02
===

Dave

The only difference is that mine is 92 10, even older.

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[Ql-Users] SQLUG Site

2011-02-15 Thread jms1
To all members.

I am now able to update the SQLUG site and it should now be up todate.

If there are any errors or alterations needed please let me know.

John Sadler

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Planet Ink Club is a great way to save money and help the environment.
Join today (http://www.planetinkclub.com)

This message has been scanned by Supanet for viruses and dangerous content 
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Re: [Ql-Users] SQLUG Site

2011-02-15 Thread Plastic
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:10 AM, j...@supanet.com wrote:

 To all members.

 I am now able to update the SQLUG site and it should now be up todate.

 If there are any errors or alterations needed please let me know.

 John Sadler


Link?

Dave
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[Ql-Users] Spam, spam and more spam

2011-02-15 Thread David Tubbs

At 14:55 15/02/2011 +, Bryan Horstmannb...@newlan.org:

The aove referenced post came with EIGHT layers of quotes.

After a long scroll down just one line addition of 10 words.

Text from the oldest quote is present in 8 other posts, two parties have 
posted it 3 times each..


Think about the tota; storage, the consumption of web and ISP bandwith wasted.

I think of the QL and compact code, memory and storage at a premiun. An 
elementary windows system in 35k bytes as opposed to MSbloatware.


So that's why I think such  wasteful distribution is equivalent to spamming.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Spam, spam and more spam

2011-02-15 Thread Tony Firshman

David Tubbs wrote, on 15/Feb/11 17:45 | Feb15:

At 14:55 15/02/2011 +, Bryan Horstmannb...@newlan.org:

The aove referenced post came with EIGHT layers of quotes.

After a long scroll down just one line addition of 10 words.

Text from the oldest quote is present in 8 other posts, two parties have
posted it 3 times each..

Think about the tota; storage, the consumption of web and ISP bandwith
wasted.

I think of the QL and compact code, memory and storage at a premiun. An
elementary windows system in 35k bytes as opposed to MSbloatware.

So that's why I think such wasteful distribution is equivalent to spamming.


Indeed.  Top quoting does need some editing and snipping.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Spam, spam and more spam

2011-02-15 Thread David Tubbs




So that's why I think such wasteful distribution is equivalent to spamming.

Indeed.  Top quoting does need some editing and snipping.

Tony


I suspect some email clients an be set n how he quote rmght be unware of 
the crud going out, I only use an old Eudora. No frills.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Spam, spam and more spam

2011-02-15 Thread Tony Firshman

David Tubbs wrote, on 15/Feb/11 17:58 | Feb15:




So that's why I think such wasteful distribution is equivalent to
spamming.

Indeed. Top quoting does need some editing and snipping.

Tony


I suspect some email clients an be set n how he quote rmght be unware of
the crud going out, I only use an old Eudora. No frills.


... and no spell checker (8-)#

Thunderbird does have a QuoteCollapse extension that hides quoting, but 
*all* the gory details appear if one clicks 'reply' so no excuses for 
not ediitng in this case.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Spam, spam and more spam

2011-02-15 Thread Plastic
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote:

 David Tubbs wrote, on 15/Feb/11 17:58 | Feb15:



 So that's why I think such wasteful distribution is equivalent to
 spamming.

 Indeed. Top quoting does need some editing and snipping.

 Tony


 I suspect some email clients an be set n how he quote rmght be unware of
 the crud going out, I only use an old Eudora. No frills.

  ... and no spell checker (8-)#

 Thunderbird does have a QuoteCollapse extension that hides quoting, but
 *all* the gory details appear if one clicks 'reply' so no excuses for not
 ediitng in this case.


That said, I think it's more because the list is more active than normal (I
lurked before I posted) so now the list is all active, threads are getting
longer than people are used to, and the usual way of nesting replies breaks
down a little bit.

Dave
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[Ql-Users] SGC's and availability? (was Re: Gold card battery...)

2011-02-15 Thread Mark Martin
It seems like, from reading the previous thread, that quite a few
folks out there have GC's and SGC's.  Q40's and Q60's as well.  Is
anyone selling a SGC by chance?  Or a Q40/Q60?

Also, on an unrelated note, I've been trying to find details on the QL
network (QLAN) interface -- I was thinking about building an interface
from one of my other computers to transfer files to/from.  Does anyone
have any detailed schematics or protocol specifications they could
share?  Has anyone made anything in this regard already?


Thanks,
Mark
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Re: [Ql-Users] SGC's and availability? (was Re: Gold card battery...)

2011-02-15 Thread Petri Pellinen
Yeah, a SGC would be a nice item to have. There was one up on ebay
some weeks back and the winning bid was a ridiculous amount of money.
Something along the lines of 200 GBP if I recall correctly.

I like the idea of a ql network interface on a PC, especially if there
was QemuLator support for it...

/Petri


On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Mark Martin storycraf...@gmail.com wrote:
 It seems like, from reading the previous thread, that quite a few
 folks out there have GC's and SGC's.  Q40's and Q60's as well.  Is
 anyone selling a SGC by chance?  Or a Q40/Q60?

 Also, on an unrelated note, I've been trying to find details on the QL
 network (QLAN) interface -- I was thinking about building an interface
 from one of my other computers to transfer files to/from.  Does anyone
 have any detailed schematics or protocol specifications they could
 share?  Has anyone made anything in this regard already?


 Thanks,
 Mark
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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Rich Mellor

On 15/02/2011 14:46, Adrian Ives wrote:

Rich, whatever did you do with the PCB design that I sent you for these
battery holders back then?


Adrian


Ah - a good point - I have dug this out and emailed it to Dave (plasticuser)

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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread John Gilpin

Hi Dave

Sorry I have been out a bit today and therefore have missed quite a bit 
of the goings-on on the list. Firstly, my 3 Auroras - all with SGCs 
attached need new batteries and I even went to the trouble of building a 
prototype using vero-board, a CR2032 cell and a suitable battery holder 
- from Maplins - but had to experiment a bit to find something the 
correct diameter for the mounting pins resulting in a loose connection 
which is rather unsuitable and unreliable. I need three of any unit 
successfully produced. I offered to get 50 or 100 produced by QUANTA but 
didn't think the demand would be worth the efforts. Also, my prototype 
was too high to enable the SGC to slide into the aperture for the 
expansion port on the Black Box QL. This restriction does not apply to 
the Aurora expansion card which is mounted to  a standard backplane with 
a QuBide board for the Hard Drive(s).


Please can you disclose your Surname so we know it's Dave Smith or Jones 
we're communicating with? Thanks.


Cheers all,

John Gilpin.



On 14/02/2011 19:38, Plastic wrote:

Hi all,

I have a Gold Card which has the discontinued 40LF220 lithium battery. The
equivalent MGL0025 is also discontinued, and even with the long shelf life
of these lithium batteries, the new old stock ones are now useless. When you
can find them, they were manufactured in 2002 and cost $30+ - one place
quoted me $140 for a minimum order of 5, plus shipping.

Is there a ready-made adaptor PCB available that will allow me to use a
CR2032?

Does the Super Gold Card use the same battery?

If not, I would be happy to design and manufacture a limited run of these
adaptors to use CR2032s so we can all have our battery backed clocks working
again. I cannot make a guess on price as I have not looked at the cost of
short-run PCBs recently.

I would be happy to send batches of these to traders in each country at cost
price.

What is the need/demand for something like this?

Dave
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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread Rich Mellor

On 15/02/2011 23:47, John Gilpin wrote:

Hi Dave

Please can you disclose your Surname so we know it's Dave Smith or 
Jones we're communicating with? Thanks.


Seeing as we all must have grown up through the 80s -surely the answer 
to that one is.


Alas.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Gold card battery...

2011-02-15 Thread David Tubbs

At 23:51 15/02/2011 +, you wrote:

On 15/02/2011 23:47, John Gilpin wrote:

Hi Dave

Please can you disclose your Surname so we know it's Dave Smith or Jones 
we're communicating with? Thanks.
Seeing as we all must have grown up through the 80s -surely the answer to 
that one is.


Alas.


Perhaps JG should look in a different ball Park ??

Miopic EOE

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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-USAers] USA QLs...

2011-02-15 Thread David Tubbs

At 15:40 14/02/2011 -0600, you wrote:

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Tubbs davet...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 I could send you photos with which you might reverse engineer.

 I also have a few dongle boards, some adapted for the 64k eprom, used in
 the past to slot in diff' QDOS, inside chips removed.


Yes, photos would be very helpful.

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