Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Richard Zidlicky waxed lyrical: [snip] >> Compatibility should be considered yes... but I covered this already :-) >please add w3m, links and lynx to your list of browsers. And V, IBrowse and AWeb if you wouldn`t mind ;) A week to code the site, six months to test it :0) -- Anthony W. Prime [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.amiga.com So the world may know...
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 06:12:09PM -0500, Phoebus Dokos wrote: > At 03:29 ìì 03/12/2001, you wrote: > >I found the site to run rather slow on my SGI R5K Indy with Netscape 3.01S. > > The javascript was really slow to run. > > > >Personally I will not create a web site with either Java, Javascript, > >Flash, or > >other fluff. I prefer plain html. Granted I won't write any e-commerce > >sites, > >but too many regular web pages use this fluff stuff to make it look better at > >the sacrafice of it working well on a number of browsers. I wish I could send > >a missle the way of each webmaster that says "update to the latest X brower to > >see our page". > > > >Tim Swenson > > I have to disagree partially with you Timothy. The fact that something > works as is doesn't mean it cannot be improved. If the latter was true, > then we would be still driving around Ford T's and watching black and white > silent movies instead of HDTV. the improvement is moving in very questionable direction. Just because I want to look at some site I should not be forced to execute any untrusted unauthenticated third party code. Furthermore 999/1000 sites could achieve the same or better effects with plain HTML. > Yes it is a given in the case of QLers that we don't even have a functional > browser yet (except Lynx under uQLx) but that also means that the average > QLer with internet access usually has a Windoze machine. Nothing I put on > the page does not work with any popular browser... as a matter of fact, my > pages are constantly checked once published with Netscape 3.x and above, > IExploder 3.0 and above, Opera and even through BeOs with NetPositive (and > of course with Netscape, IE, Gnome and KBrowser through Red Hat Linux and > the regular Netscape and IE on a Mac. Everything works. :-) > Compatibility should be considered yes... but I covered this already :-) please add w3m, links and lynx to your list of browsers. Bye Richard
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
At 06:12 ìì 03/12/2001, you wrote: >At 03:29 ìì 03/12/2001, you wrote: >>I found the site to run rather slow on my SGI R5K Indy with Netscape 3.01S. >> The javascript was really slow to run. >> >>Personally I will not create a web site with either Java, Javascript, >>Flash, or >>other fluff. I prefer plain html. Granted I won't write any e-commerce >>sites, >>but too many regular web pages use this fluff stuff to make it look better at >>the sacrafice of it working well on a number of browsers. I wish I could >>send >>a missle the way of each webmaster that says "update to the latest X >>brower to >>see our page". >> >>Tim Swenson > >I have to disagree partially with you Timothy. The fact that something >works as is doesn't mean it cannot be improved. If the latter was true, >then we would be still driving around Ford T's and watching black and >white silent movies instead of HDTV. >Yes it is a given in the case of QLers that we don't even have a >functional browser yet (except Lynx under uQLx) but that also means that >the average QLer with internet access usually has a Windoze machine. >Nothing I put on the page does not work with any popular browser... as a >matter of fact, my pages are constantly checked once published with >Netscape 3.x and above, IExploder 3.0 and above, Opera and even through >BeOs with NetPositive (and of course with Netscape, IE, Gnome and >KBrowser through Red Hat Linux and the regular Netscape and IE on a Mac. >Everything works. :-) >Compatibility should be considered yes... but I covered this already :-) > > >Phoebus Oh and something else... I of course am not responsible for the javascript code that is automatically added on top of my webpage by the space provider... this will soon end of course once I move it to my own domain.
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
At 03:29 ìì 03/12/2001, you wrote: >I found the site to run rather slow on my SGI R5K Indy with Netscape 3.01S. > The javascript was really slow to run. > >Personally I will not create a web site with either Java, Javascript, >Flash, or >other fluff. I prefer plain html. Granted I won't write any e-commerce >sites, >but too many regular web pages use this fluff stuff to make it look better at >the sacrafice of it working well on a number of browsers. I wish I could send >a missle the way of each webmaster that says "update to the latest X brower to >see our page". > >Tim Swenson I have to disagree partially with you Timothy. The fact that something works as is doesn't mean it cannot be improved. If the latter was true, then we would be still driving around Ford T's and watching black and white silent movies instead of HDTV. Yes it is a given in the case of QLers that we don't even have a functional browser yet (except Lynx under uQLx) but that also means that the average QLer with internet access usually has a Windoze machine. Nothing I put on the page does not work with any popular browser... as a matter of fact, my pages are constantly checked once published with Netscape 3.x and above, IExploder 3.0 and above, Opera and even through BeOs with NetPositive (and of course with Netscape, IE, Gnome and KBrowser through Red Hat Linux and the regular Netscape and IE on a Mac. Everything works. :-) Compatibility should be considered yes... but I covered this already :-) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
At 05:16 ìì 03/12/2001, you wrote: >On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 at 12:29:47, Timothy Swenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >sgi.com> wrote: >(Ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > > >I found the site to run rather slow on my SGI R5K Indy with Netscape 3.01S. > > The javascript was really slow to run. > > > >Personally I will not create a web site with either Java, Javascript, > Flash, or > >other fluff. I prefer plain html. Granted I won't write any e-commerce > sites, > >but too many regular web pages use this fluff stuff to make it look > better at > >the sacrafice of it working well on a number of browsers. I wish I > could send > >a missle the way of each webmaster that says "update to the latest X > brower to > >see our page". >Yeah exactly. > >... and I wish that browsers would come with flashing text (and dynamic >gif) filters. I find it quite impossible to examine a site with all the >movement. I always have to click 'stop' > >Whoever does a QL browser please note. > >All has gone ominously quiet on that front. > >-- >QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk > Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 > TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG I don't have any animation... however since everybody that talked seems so against it well I am removing the java applet. :-( *I will keep a version though for those who want it once I am done ;-)
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 at 12:29:47, Timothy Swenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] sgi.com> wrote: (Ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >I found the site to run rather slow on my SGI R5K Indy with Netscape 3.01S. > The javascript was really slow to run. > >Personally I will not create a web site with either Java, Javascript, Flash, or >other fluff. I prefer plain html. Granted I won't write any e-commerce sites, >but too many regular web pages use this fluff stuff to make it look better at >the sacrafice of it working well on a number of browsers. I wish I could send >a missle the way of each webmaster that says "update to the latest X brower to >see our page". Yeah exactly. ... and I wish that browsers would come with flashing text (and dynamic gif) filters. I find it quite impossible to examine a site with all the movement. I always have to click 'stop' Whoever does a QL browser please note. All has gone ominously quiet on that front. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
I found the site to run rather slow on my SGI R5K Indy with Netscape 3.01S. The javascript was really slow to run. Personally I will not create a web site with either Java, Javascript, Flash, or other fluff. I prefer plain html. Granted I won't write any e-commerce sites, but too many regular web pages use this fluff stuff to make it look better at the sacrafice of it working well on a number of browsers. I wish I could send a missle the way of each webmaster that says "update to the latest X brower to see our page". Tim Swenson
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
>Hmmm, thanks for pointing it out :-). I have an asp enabled webserver >locally and I was experimenting with an on demand software delivery (e.g. >Search by type of program and/or program name). It worked fined but I >didn't bother to look the results since I had to upload Dilwyn's changes >to the mirrorTHEREFORE BLAME HIM NOT ME :-))) hehehehehee No problem, I get blamed for so many things, one more won't make much difference ;-) Shall I send you a new right bracket key, yours must be getting worn out after the smiley above (he he!)? Phoebus normally updates his mirror site twice a week or so, I wait until he's uploaded a change...then I upload a few more to my site again just to annoy him ;-) -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
RE: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
At 06:10 ðì 03/12/2001, you wrote: >At 03:09 ðì 03/12/2001, you wrote: >>Like it ! >>Like the (proposed) site too. >> >>BTW : I know it's only a preview but on the downloads pages, I get a >>'forbidden' error telling me that .asp extensions are not allowed. >> >> >>Norman. > >Hmmm, thanks for pointing it out :-). I have an asp enabled webserver >locally and I was experimenting with an on demand software delivery (e.g. >Search by type of program and/or program name). It worked fined but I >didn't bother to look the results since I had to upload Dilwyn's changes >to the mirrorTHEREFORE BLAME HIM NOT ME :-))) hehehehehee > > >Phoebus And on this notice Updated DJ mirror (http://ql2k.cjb.net)
RE: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
At 03:09 ðì 03/12/2001, you wrote: >Like it ! >Like the (proposed) site too. > >BTW : I know it's only a preview but on the downloads pages, I get a >'forbidden' error telling me that .asp extensions are not allowed. > > >Norman. Hmmm, thanks for pointing it out :-). I have an asp enabled webserver locally and I was experimenting with an on demand software delivery (e.g. Search by type of program and/or program name). It worked fined but I didn't bother to look the results since I had to upload Dilwyn's changes to the mirrorTHEREFORE BLAME HIM NOT ME :-))) hehehehehee Phoebus
RE: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
Like it ! Like the (proposed) site too. BTW : I know it's only a preview but on the downloads pages, I get a 'forbidden' error telling me that .asp extensions are not allowed. Norman. Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administrator Phone: 0113 289 6265 Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. Fax:0113 201 7265 URL:http://www.LynxFinancialSystems.com -Original Message- From: Phoebus Dokos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 6:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making At 01:23 ðì 03/10/2001, you wrote: Oh and by the way the website's "logo" is my suggestion for a new QL Logo
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
>>Must admit, I use IE 4.01 SP1 and most sites using Java (including >>Phoebus' site) cause runtime errors. As flashy as Java can make a >>site, unless you have the latest M$ products etc all the time >> >>But at the same time, we can't just hide under the bunker all the >>time. >There was another option, using Flash that rarely crashes, the problem in >that case would be with UN*X users. >This Java applet is by far one of the most stable I've encountered. Works >with Netscape 3.x - 6.01 and I.E. 4-6.0 beta >The other solution is to completely remove the animation :-) Whatcha think? I had to download Flash yesterday just so that my son could use the Thomas The Tank Engine website. He got so bored waiting for it to download he'd lost interest by the time something useable came up. That's why I only use animated GIFs on my site for animations to keep things ultra simple. Not suggesting you remove the applet or anything (we have to progress at some point), just noting that to get everything to work everyone has to upgrade everything to the latest all singing all dancing software sometimes. -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
At 07:49 ðì 03/11/2001, you wrote: > >how about something that is readable without javascript? > > > >Bye > >Richard > >Must admit, I use IE 4.01 SP1 and most sites using Java (including >Phoebus' site) cause runtime errors. As flashy as Java can make a >site, unless you have the latest M$ products etc all the time > >But at the same time, we can't just hide under the bunker all the >time. > >-- >Dilwyn Jones >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html There was another option, using Flash that rarely crashes, the problem in that case would be with UN*X users. This Java applet is by far one of the most stable I've encountered. Works with Netscape 3.x - 6.01 and I.E. 4-6.0 beta The other solution is to completely remove the animation :-) Whatcha think? Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
>how about something that is readable without javascript? > >Bye >Richard Must admit, I use IE 4.01 SP1 and most sites using Java (including Phoebus' site) cause runtime errors. As flashy as Java can make a site, unless you have the latest M$ products etc all the time But at the same time, we can't just hide under the bunker all the time. -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010310012513.00ab3060@pop>, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >At 01:23 ðì 03/10/2001, you wrote: > > >Oh and by the way the website's "logo" is my suggestion for a new QL Logo Ah ... arousing curiosity ? -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010310011921.00ab4dc0@pop>, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Hi all, >You can see a preview of how my QL website will look like at www.ql.50megs.com >My site's goal is to gather as much hardware and software resources for the >ql as possible. >Any material for hosting is welcome (Diagrams, schematics, specs, source >code, tutorials, OS specific stuff (including Q40/60 Linux)... you name it) >I have a pretty good collection myself and it gets bigger day by day. >It is my intention to offer documents in as many formats possible which >will become available as the website grows. Great idea, Phoebus ! More 'QL'power to your elbow :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
At 09:18 ðì 03/10/2001, you wrote: >Hi, > > > You can see a preview of how my QL website will look like at > www.ql.50megs.com > > My site's goal is to gather as much hardware and software resources for > the > > ql as possible. > > Any material for hosting is welcome (Diagrams, schematics, specs, source > > code, tutorials, OS specific stuff (including Q40/60 Linux)... you name it) > > I have a pretty good collection myself and it gets bigger day by day. > > It is my intention to offer documents in as many formats possible which > > will become available as the website grows. > >how about something that is readable without javascript? > >Bye >Richard Good point. The only Javascript snippets in the site are from the hosting provider and the Quantum Webring. There is however some Java (applet fphover), which could be removed. Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
Hi, > You can see a preview of how my QL website will look like at www.ql.50megs.com > My site's goal is to gather as much hardware and software resources for the > ql as possible. > Any material for hosting is welcome (Diagrams, schematics, specs, source > code, tutorials, OS specific stuff (including Q40/60 Linux)... you name it) > I have a pretty good collection myself and it gets bigger day by day. > It is my intention to offer documents in as many formats possible which > will become available as the website grows. how about something that is readable without javascript? Bye Richard
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Phoebus Dokos wrote: > Hi all, > You can see a preview of how my QL website will look like at www.ql.50megs.com > My site's goal is to gather as much hardware and software resources for the > ql as possible. Very nice banner. > Phoebus Claus
[ql-users] New QL website in the making
Hi all, You can see a preview of how my QL website will look like at www.ql.50megs.com My site's goal is to gather as much hardware and software resources for the ql as possible. Any material for hosting is welcome (Diagrams, schematics, specs, source code, tutorials, OS specific stuff (including Q40/60 Linux)... you name it) I have a pretty good collection myself and it gets bigger day by day. It is my intention to offer documents in as many formats possible which will become available as the website grows. Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] New QL website in the making
At 01:23 ðì 03/10/2001, you wrote: Oh and by the way the website's "logo" is my suggestion for a new QL Logo
