RE: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
-Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !) I don't run M$ mail programs - that is the reason I don't spread them! At work, I have no option - Outlook 2000 but seriously protected on the email server and on individual PCs with Macafee - which is probably the best AV on the go at the moment. At home, I use Opera and my wife uses Netscape. I would love to run a QL mail program - not least because it would simplify mailing lists. That would be nice :o) Norm. Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administrator Phone: 0113 289 6265 Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. Fax:0113 201 7265 URL:http://www.LynxFinancialSystems.com
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] , Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !) I don't run M$ mail programs - that is the reason I don't spread them! At work, I have no option - Outlook 2000 but seriously protected on the email server and on individual PCs with Macafee - which is probably the best AV on the go at the moment. At home, I use Opera and my wife uses Netscape. OT - Yet Opera is good, well worth having as a Browser. I would love to run a QL mail program - not least because it would simplify mailing lists. That would be nice :o) It will have to have sensible 'defaults', and easy configuration ... to be a good example of a mail client :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 at 19:09:20, you wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !) I got a private email Geoff. Thanks, also to Tony. The reason I posed this question was that you were the only people to report the virus, but you would have expected a lot more QLers to have caught it. If it writes to everyone in the address book, it means that it was also sent to this group but we were protected from it. Nice to know. It rather reminds me of the early days of the aids scare, when a single doctor said that the amazing thing was not the number of people who were HIV+, but the number of people who were not. I know if my address book were to become infected, all ql traders and many of my clients would be getting an unwanted present from me. Fortunately I have never had virus trouble, although I regularly get a suspicious spam. I examined it on a QL (aren't we lucky we can do that) and it seems more like an attempt to plant a trojan than a virus. I don't run M$ mail programs - that is the reason I don't spread them! I would love to run a QL mail program - not least because it would simplify mailing lists. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
RE: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
Sorry Richard, I missed those out :o) Norman. Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administrator Phone: 0113 289 6265 Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. Fax:0113 201 7265 URL:http://www.LynxFinancialSystems.com I was holding myself back not to reply to Norman's post which is slightly incorrect. Of course the virus will not run on Linux, BSD, BeOS, MacOS, Acorn, AmigaOS, Solaris, Altos, Symoblics Machine, Plan 9, ZX 81 or any other remotely sane operating system.
RE: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
I got a private email Geoff. Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administrator Phone: 0113 289 6265 Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. Fax:0113 201 7265 URL:http://www.LynxFinancialSystems.com -Original Message- From: Geoff Wicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 7:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !) Just a query on this thread. Did the people who received the virus email get it via an email from the ql-users group or via a private email? Geoff Wicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Timothy Swenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I hate to continue this off topic issue and I dislike Microsoft as much as the next person, but the real Outlook issue is that the default options for Outlook are very unsecure. Most users are not aware of the security features and trust the default options, making themselves vulnerable to a trojan horse attack. The main rule is to not execute any attachment. By default Outlook can execute code without any acceptance by the user. A very bad default option. A nice brain dead mail reader like Pine is the best thing to use, as it makes no assumptions about what the user wants and treats all attachments the same (and does not execute them). Simpler mail readers are much better than the more advanced readers. Yes, it is the 'swings and roundabouts' of trying to make software, which is now very sophisticated, easy enough to operate by users. Adopting sensible 'defaults' is an issue that software developed in this area for the QL will have to address too. -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
Just a query on this thread. Did the people who received the virus email get it via an email from the ql-users group or via a private email? Geoff Wicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
SNIP Anyway it will only affect people who are foolish enough to run M$ mailers. SNIP Tony, that will only stop it from spreading outward from your, ahem, PC. It won't stop it running its payload - which is apparently to delete a few files at random then later on, format your hard drive(s). Norman. PS. If you only use a QL then no effect will be noticed :o) I'm getting fed up with such thoughtless attacks on everything MS... so thank you Norman for saying for me what I just couldn't be bothered to say. John in Wales
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
SNIP Anyway it will only affect people who are foolish enough to run M$ mailers. SNIP Tony, that will only stop it from spreading outward from your, ahem, PC. It won't stop it running its payload - which is apparently to delete a few files at random then later on, format your hard drive(s). Norman. PS. If you only use a QL then no effect will be noticed :o) I'm getting fed up with such thoughtless attacks on everything MS... so thank you Norman for saying for me what I just couldn't be bothered to say. thoughtless attacks you say? I was holding myself back not to reply to Norman's post which is slightly incorrect. Of course the virus will not run on Linux, BSD, BeOS, MacOS, Acorn, AmigaOS, Solaris, Altos, Symoblics Machine, Plan 9, ZX 81 or any other remotely sane operating system. Suffice to say, that last month about 80% messages were in search of a solution for an MS Outlook problem and now the next purely MS problem. IMHO this can be either because MS does have only braindamaged users or because the software is braindamaged. Bye Richard
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
At 07:06 PM 6/22/2001 +0200, you wrote: Suffice to say, that last month about 80% messages were in search of a solution for an MS Outlook problem and now the next purely MS problem. IMHO this can be either because MS does have only braindamaged users or because the software is braindamaged. I hate to continue this off topic issue and I dislike Microsoft as much as the next person, but the real Outlook issue is that the default options for Outlook are very unsecure. Most users are not aware of the security features and trust the default options, making themselves vulnerable to a trojan horse attack. The main rule is to not execute any attachment. By default Outlook can execute code without any acceptance by the user. A very bad default option. A nice brain dead mail reader like Pine is the best thing to use, as it makes no assumptions about what the user wants and treats all attachments the same (and does not execute them). Simpler mail readers are much better than the more advanced readers. Tim Swenson
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Zidlicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Anyway it will only affect people who are foolish enough to run M$ mailers. SNIP Tony, that will only stop it from spreading outward from your, ahem, PC. It won't stop it running its payload - which is apparently to delete a few files at random then later on, format your hard drive(s). Norman. PS. If you only use a QL then no effect will be noticed :o) I'm getting fed up with such thoughtless attacks on everything MS... so thank you Norman for saying for me what I just couldn't be bothered to say. thoughtless attacks you say? I was holding myself back not to reply to Norman's post which is slightly incorrect. Of course the virus will not run on Linux, BSD, BeOS, MacOS, Acorn, AmigaOS, Solaris, Altos, Symoblics Machine, Plan 9, ZX 81 or any other remotely sane operating system. Suffice to say, that last month about 80% messages were in search of a solution for an MS Outlook problem and now the next purely MS problem. IMHO this can be either because MS does have only braindamaged users or because the software is braindamaged. He .. he .. these virus alerts are boring when you have other alternatives to M$ ware ... OT ... I know :-( ... but I recently heard an educationalist say the pupils were being taught MS Word ... not 'wordprocessing' ( generic ) ! -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 at 12:38:38, you wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I only had the jokes and the exe file. There was no report on mine. Mind you, this virus (is a worm) and burrows into your system then hijacks Outlook to send itself areound to everyone in your address book - so it could have come from anywhere I suppose. Ah indeed yes - and the 'Bill Newell' was probably unaware of it. Odd that Bill hasn't commented yet - but I am pretty sure it wasn't him. He works on a part time basis for Ford I thought. Anyway it will only affect people who are foolish enough to run M$ mailers. I you want to move to a really professional product, have a look at Turnpike (via demon.net). Costs only £20 I think if you are not a Demon subscriber. There is a new version on beta test (V6) which is even better. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
RE: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax)
Bill, welcome back :o) Regards, Norman. PS. Your business contact may not have sent you the virus, but his PC did, he may not be aware of this fact - unless he checks in his 'sent items' folder. Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administrator Phone: 0113 289 6265 Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. Fax:0113 201 7265 URL:http://www.LynxFinancialSystems.com -Original Message- From: William Newell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax) Hi Everybody, Now that I have successfully purged my system of virus(s), I feel it is safe to admit being the inadvertent dupe of the sick mind that devised the virus that infected my PC.. SNIP
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 at 10:32:07, you wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I received an email yesterday from a William Newell esq (aka Bill !) which has a couple of jokes on it, and an exe file. My work's email scanner detected that the exe was full of virus and deleted it from the email. If you got/get an email from Bill, with an exe file attached be very careful about opening it. In fact, don't ! I have informed Bill of his misfortune. I don't think it was the same Bill Newell. The source was Credit Suisse, and there was in fact a genuine performance report, as well as the (apparently) virus bound exe. I returned them all without opening. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
RE: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
I only had the jokes and the exe file. There was no report on mine. Mind you, this virus (is a worm) and burrows into your system then hijacks Outlook to send itself areound to everyone in your address book - so it could have come from anywhere I suppose. Norman. Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administrator Phone: 0113 289 6265 Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. Fax:0113 201 7265 URL:http://www.LynxFinancialSystems.com -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !) The source was Credit Suisse, and there was in fact a genuine performance report, as well as the (apparently) virus bound exe. I returned them all without opening.
Re: [ql-users] Virus alert (No, not a hoax !)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] , Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I only had the jokes and the exe file. There was no report on mine. Mind you, this virus (is a worm) and burrows into your system then hijacks Outlook to send itself areound to everyone in your address book - so it could have come from anywhere I suppose. As long as it is only Outlook it attacks I don't think too many of us will be worried :-) ... it is just the HTML it sends out that bothers us :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
