[ql-users] QL2004 - 21st Anniversary Bash, Manchester, 17/4/04.
Thanks for that Info, Bruce. Well, thats that settled - its a bit further away, which is a much better idea as it gives our foreign friends a better chance of coming - hopefully all of the attendees at QL2000 will return and it can be as successful as that event. The Manchester venue has been used before, has good car parking, a nice big room, and a separate room for talks etc, and a Kitchen area. This will also help maybe kick start a bit of a lift to the north of the UK where shows are scarce. I think we need to start pushing this date in a big way NOW - the hype built up for QL2000 for months and months before hand, and it was great to see a major event be so successful. So, who's coming then guys?? Put me down for starters.. Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Bruce N [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lworld.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich k 10/07/2003 20:31 Please respond to ql-users Hello Darren All, Having laid out the latest Quanta, I can tell you that there is planned a two day event :- AGM WORKSHOP In QUANTA?S 21ST YEAR Saturday, 17th April 2004. From 1.00pm and Sunday, 18thApril 2004. From 9.30am to 3.00pm Times at this stage are approximate. Venue: 3rd Davyhulme Scout Headquarters Off Lostock Road, Davyhulme, Manchester There will be a celebratory 21st dinner on Saturday night. Thursday, July 10, 2003, 9:49:32 AM, you wrote: DBbc I think Tony's statement below hits the nail on the head. I have to agree - DBbc I had a ball at the last Irish Show - and so far everyone who was there DBbc is coming again!! all 6 or so of them :-)) It doesn't really matter DBbc anymore about profitability - the shows aren't, no matter how hard you try DBbc - QL2000 was the one recent exception, but we are three years on from that DBbc now. I think its very important we have one more big show though to mark DBbc the QL's 20th anniversary But I'd say thats it. Can we contact all the DBbc old QLers? Ron Dunnett? Freddy Vaccha? Simon Goodwin?? etc? DBbc QUANTA should fund it - Can anyone from QUANTA make a comment on this? Are DBbc there any of the QUANTA guys still on this list?? DBbc Tony is right Tarquin - just organise it. Get a hall. Get some Tea and DBbc Coffee. Thats about the size of it. DBbc Darren Branagh, DBbc Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, DBbc Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. DBbc Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. DBbc Tony Firshman DBbc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DBbc o.uk This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
O * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman. Blair reads this list? Wolfgang
RE: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
Yes ! QL is a massive destruction weapons : only enthusiats survive :-) -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : vendredi 11 juillet 2003 10:35 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich O * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman. Blair reads this list? Wolfgang
[ql-users] Irish Show
Hi Roy et al,, The bank holiday weekend is looking like a no-no, I can't get accomodation anywhere. The folowing weekend is also very busy due to a large wedding in the area, but not as bad as the 25th. Sorry, but The weekend of the 30th August looks the best bet. Roy - you need a room I assume for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights? John - Which nights do you need?? It won't be in the same place as Roy, but I should be able to get something Anyone else want accomodation?? Tony and Stu?? Or are you camping this time? Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] emon.co.ukcc: Sent by: Subject: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich Irish show [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think uk 10/07/2003 19:41 Please respond to ql-users In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I think Tony's statement below hits the nail on the head. I have to agree - I had a ball at the last Irish Show - and so far everyone who was there is coming again!! all 6 or so of them :-)) SNIP By the way Darren have you fixed up a date ? I am happy to go for the 25th and I would like to get it booked. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
Re: [ql-users] 20th Anniversary Show
Hi Jim, Maybe the new date in April 2004 would be a better bet - hopefully a lot of the American users can make it over here then. Start searching the 'net now for cheap flights :-)) Mind you, the US Show is usually around then anyway, so we may well be crossing the atlantic one after each other!! Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ech.com cc: Sent by: Subject: [ql-users] 20th Anniversary Show [EMAIL PROTECTED] g.uk 10/07/2003 18:02 Please respond to ql-users This may be of interest to some of us in the States too if it could be decided early enough. Jim On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 01:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Tony's statement below hits the nail on the head. I have to agree - I had a ball at the last Irish Show - and so far everyone who was there is coming again!! all 6 or so of them :-)) It doesn't really matter anymore about profitability - the shows aren't, no matter how hard you try - QL2000 was the one recent exception, but we are three years on from that now. I think its very important we have one more big show though to mark the QL's 20th anniversary But I'd say thats it. Can we contact all the old QLers? Ron Dunnett? Freddy Vaccha? Simon Goodwin?? etc? QUANTA should fund it - Can anyone from QUANTA make a comment on this? Are there any of the QUANTA guys still on this list?? Tony is right Tarquin - just organise it. Get a hall. Get some Tea and Coffee. Thats about the size of it. Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] o.ukcc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich [EMAIL PROTECTED] g.uk 09/07/2003 19:43 Please respond to ql-users On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 at 14:56:05, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I think we have to separate two things here. One is your capability of holding an event. This is not really a QL thing, but what experience you have of holding events in general. Think of possible experiences in, say, the political sphere. The other thing is if there are a sufficient number of QL users in your catchment area to make a QL show worthwhile. Good God. In my book politics is really not an issue. Don't put off the man. If there is now other show near, then it is just a matter of getting a hall, telling people (including traders) and asking Quanta to pay for the hall. Food and drink is a bonus. You cannot have fewer than the last Irish show (8-)# .. and that was one of the best recent events I have attended. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
Yes ! QL is a massive destruction weapons : only enthusiats survive :-) O * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman. Blair reads this list? Wolfgang I'm sure that MI5 etc would consider QLers a valid target subversive organisation having all but given up on drug dealers, smugglers, terrorists, illegal immigrants etc. Given that the name 'Blair' has appeared on this list, I'm sure their automated keyword searchers have by now detected Wolfgang and others as 'foreign subversives' by now. Expect a wayward American missile to fly low over you soon... (just pray it has a QL controlling it not a PC!) -- Dilwyn Jones
Re: [ql-users] Bird Flu (OT)
- Original Message - From: Bill Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:15 PM I have been making increasingly critical comments about QUANTA on this list and getting no response. Do they still exist? There are more elusive than so called *weapons of mass destruction. Geoff Wicks * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman. Yes lets keep politics out of it Point taken Bill, but I'm sure you'll like this one. After reading this list I went to the website of Radio Netherlands to pick up their main Dutch stories. As you may know there has been a serious outbreak of bird flu in the Netherlands, which has led to scenes rather like the foot and mouth crisis. In one area they had to use asylum seekers to clear up the carcasses which was difficult to do legally. To solve the problem the local tax inspector allowed them to use an NI number and register under the name F Birdflu. The Society for Hobby Pet Owners (who opposed the slaughter) are now prosecuting the tax office for criminal acts and forgery. The Ministry of Finance accepts this should not have happened, but adds that it was a crisis situation. Best Wishes, Geoff.
RE: [ql-users] C structures
Hi, Dont know about UINT but DWORD and LONG are the same 4bytes, longword but DWORD is usually used by PC programmers so the bytes are in the reverse order from the QL/QDOS/Motorolla long word. Duncan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dilwyn Jones Sent: 11 July 2003 20:33 To: QL Users List Subject: [ql-users] C structures In attempting to write routines to convert graphics, I've used some Windows documentation which refers to C structures. It refers to UINT, DWORD and LONG. Can someone explain these to a C ignoramus (i.e. me): UINT - Unsigned integer presumably, how many bytes? DWORD - Double word? Signed? How many bytes? LONG - Like a QL 32 bit integer? -- Dilwyn Jones
Re: [ql-users] C structures
Dilwyn Jones wrote: In attempting to write routines to convert graphics, I've used some Windows documentation which refers to C structures. It refers to UINT, DWORD and LONG. They're defined as follows: DWORD = unsigned long UINT = unsigned int Generally you can never say for sure what an int or a long stands for. In the special case of Windows on Intel platforms however they are all 32bit or 4 bytes wide. I.e. UINT = DWORD = 32bit unsigned LONG = int = 32bit signed BTW: I'm back. Will probably start answering mails tomorrow. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] C structures
Dilwyn Jones wrote: In attempting to write routines to convert graphics, I've used some Windows documentation which refers to C structures. It refers to UINT, DWORD and LONG. Can someone explain these to a C ignoramus (i.e. me): UINT - Unsigned integer presumably, how many bytes? DWORD - Double word? Signed? How many bytes? LONG - Like a QL 32 bit integer? It is all very arbitrary. You really need to track back somehow to find out which variation of the standard(sic) include file happens to have been used. You probably need to find a types.h that comes with the compiler that you think the code was defined for. Loosely, you have the right idea. The must probable definitions are: typedef unsigned int UINT typedef unsigned long DWORD typedef signed long LONG However, that really doesn't help a lot. An int doesn't neccesarily mean 16 or 32 bit. Older compilers default to 16, newer to 32, and neither is guaranteed. It was supposed to be the natural (i.e. most efficient) size for an integer on whatever architecture you were compiling for. I.e. if you had a 20 bit machine, that could be what int came out as. However, on 8-bit machines, ints are typically 16 bit! A short is only guaranteed to be no bigger than a long with an int somewhere between. Also, the WORD in DWORD is not always defined as unsigned. - However - all is not so bleak - I've just done the obvious(?) and searched Google for types.h DWORD UINT LONG and come up with http://ssobjects.sourceforge.net/docs/html/msdefs_8h.html and http://www.minigui.com/api_ref/group__win32__types.html which seem exactly what you're after (and match what I said above). - Finally, a search on the MS site got me to http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/winprog/winprog/windows_data_types.asp which ties it all up. DWORD - 32 bit unsigned integer LONG - 32 bit signed integer UINT - unsigned INT INT - signed 32 bit integer Hence, according to Microsnot, we have UINT as an unsigned signed 32 bit integer - I'm not at all sure what that means. (Actually, I am - unsigned takes precedence over signed). - Out of amusement, on looking at Micro$oft's table, they have the following: Single bit (in effect) - BOOL or BOOLEAN (they don't actually say what storage size it really is). 8 bit, but no idea whether it's signed or unsigned - BYTE or CHAR. 8 bit unsigned - UCHAR. 16 bit signed - SHORT. 16 bit unsigned - USHORT or WORD. 32 bit signed - INT, INT32, LONG or LONG32. 32 bit unsigned - UINT, UINT32, ULONG, ULONG32, DWORD or DWORD32. (No less than six synonyms!) 64 bit signed - INT64, LONG64 or LONGLONG. 64 bit unsigned - ULONG64, UINT64, DWORD64 or ULONGLONG. - I give up. - (I'm being a little cruel about the BYTE/CHAR type - K R left it open as to whether a char was signed or not. On early compilers, before the signed attribute was invented, you couldn't actually get a signed 8 bit value at all.) -- Lau http://www.bergbland.info Get a domain from http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=5165217 and I'll get the commission!
Re: [ql-users] Bird Flu (OT)
- Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Bird Flu (OT) - Original Message - From: Bill Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:15 PM I have been making increasingly critical comments about QUANTA on this list and getting no response. Do they still exist? There are more elusive than so called *weapons of mass destruction. Geoff Wicks * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman. Yes lets keep politics out of it Point taken Bill, but I'm sure you'll like this one. After reading this list I went to the website of Radio Netherlands to pick up their main Dutch stories. As you may know there has been a serious outbreak of bird flu in the Netherlands, which has led to scenes rather like the foot and mouth crisis. In one area they had to use asylum seekers to clear up the carcasses which was difficult to do legally. To solve the problem the local tax inspector allowed them to use an NI number and register under the name F Birdflu. The Society for Hobby Pet Owners (who opposed the slaughter) are now prosecuting the tax office for criminal acts and forgery. The Ministry of Finance accepts this should not have happened, but adds that it was a crisis situation. I Like it, my next vote will go for proportional rights for minorities and extremists, seems to me they have a disproportionate amount of say for their size at the moment. Actually Geoff my comments re politics was meant to be light-hearted with the point that we used to have a great non entity called Lucan, somehow I managed to scramble the mail. All the best - Bill
Re: [ql-users] C structures
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:48:29 +0100, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dilwyn, I do have a full program ready that does that, however you're killing yourself with no reason. Just press Print Screen while you're running QPC and then paste it in your favourite graphics editor :-) Presto you're screen capture is complete :-) Phoebus -- Phoebus Dokos - Undergrad in MIS Eberly College of Business - Indiana U. of PA
Re: [ql-users] C structures
Dilwyn Jones wrote: It's from the file format for a 24-bit .BMP file. There are routines to port BMP to MODE 32 and 33 but not AFAIK to convert mode 32 screens to 24-bit PC format. The BMP format originates from Win16 platforms, so my earlier explanations regarding sizes don't apply. An int is 16 bit there. Long however is still 32bit. It's to write a routine to convert the screen dumps from Launchpad running in MODE 32 so I can use them in an information web page for that program. For the sake of completeness, when running QPC in windows mode you can just copy the contents of the current window to the clipboard by pressing ALT+Print. Here's the information I have: Assuming the QL mode 32 image colour word is at address addr, I think it should convert to 24-bit format as follows: blue=8*(PEEK(addr)31) red =PEEK(addr+1)248 Those are 5 bit, i.e. from 0 to 31. green=(PEEK(addr)224)||((PEEK(addr+1)7)*4) *8 This is 6 bit, i.e. from 0 to 63. Conversion to 8 bit is needed, of course. The .BMP file equivalent long word would then be built as follows: POKE bmp_addr,blue POKE bmp_addr+1,green POKE bmp_addr+2,red POKE bmp_addr+3,0 : rem unused but must be 0 IIRC BMP data is 24 bit, i.e. without the 0. QL_bytes = pixel_width*pixel_height : REMark width should be even? Every BMP single screen line must be padded to a 4 byte boundary. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] C structures
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:48:29 +0100, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dilwyn, I do have a full program ready that does that, however you're killing yourself with no reason. Just press Print Screen while you're running QPC and then paste it in your favourite graphics editor :-) Presto you're screen capture is complete :-) Phoebus I'd like a copy of that ! -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] C structures
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:31:43 +0100, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Phoebus I'd like a copy of that ! Do you have the .NET framework installed? Phoebus -- Phoebus Dokos - Undergrad in MIS Eberly College of Business - Indiana U. of PA
