Re: [ql-users] I'm back (hopefully) - superHermes w/ PS/2 ports and Aurora Rom adaptor
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 at 20:46:43, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > > >>Yes please. It is something I had been meaning to do but never found >>the time. Where do you attach the Ps2 mouse - the 'spare' port? >>I had that in mind so a ps2 mouse could be used on sH LITE > >Two solutions actually. One with the 'spare' port as we had discussed >in the past (which requires an extra clock signal). >As you remember there are three (four including USB) types of mice out >there, one plain serial, one combo PS/2 and serial (fairly standard >with the exception of MS and Logitech mice all other manufacturers use >the same signals/protocls) and one pure PS/2. >For mice types 2 and 3 to work as standard PS/2 as I mentioned above >you have to get an extra clock signal (from pin 1 on the kbd i/f of the >sH). Some other considerations have to be taken into account which are >the driver that has to be written (or adapted) and any electrical >problems that might arise by sharing the clock line. Note: I was able >to read the status of a PS/2 mouse but the sH wasn't connected at a >keyboard at the time (and I won't attempt it either unless you do Tony >;-) I would be interested in details for sH LITE. >Now the other solution for mouse type 2 (serial/ps/2 combo) is a lot >easier to implement and I chose that as a. Is fairly common to find >decent mice that are serial/PS/2 combos (I got a great IBM black mouse >;-) and requires no drivers at all, as in essence you are plugging the >mouse to a serial port of a different shape (If you ask why in earth I >just didn't use the adapter that came with the mouse... well just >because ;-)... Not to mention that it's very easy to rewire the >adapter if I change my mouse to a slightly different one :-) ... but for full sH only I guess. > >As for the sH Lite is the spare port connected? I was under the >impression that it only worked on sH It only needs the connector. > > >>Mplane has an (optional) externally facing ROM port, just for what you >>want to do. > >True but the Mplane will require cutting on the case and I am not >willing to do that ;-) I will be plugging the RomDisq using the >existing cutout for the parallel port on the ATX backplate. The only >holes on the back are for the screws that retain the mini-din >connectors for the PS/2 keyboard and mouse which are at the regular >place of an ATX backplate. - Unless of course you can assure me that it >will fit there ;-) and I will still have space for SER 1 and 2 and my >kbd adaptors. >In any case I was planning on using ATA-66 grade cable to minimize >interference and make that about 2 cm long (not even... in essence a >little longer than my existing Aurora/Rom port adapter). >I will risk it ;-) OK -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] I'm back (hopefully) - superHermes w/ PS/2 ports and Aurora Rom adaptor
>Yes please. It is something I had been meaning to do but never found >the time. Where do you attach the Ps2 mouse - the 'spare' port? >I had that in mind so a ps2 mouse could be used on sH LITE Two solutions actually. One with the 'spare' port as we had discussed in the past (which requires an extra clock signal). As you remember there are three (four including USB) types of mice out there, one plain serial, one combo PS/2 and serial (fairly standard with the exception of MS and Logitech mice all other manufacturers use the same signals/protocls) and one pure PS/2. For mice types 2 and 3 to work as standard PS/2 as I mentioned above you have to get an extra clock signal (from pin 1 on the kbd i/f of the sH). Some other considerations have to be taken into account which are the driver that has to be written (or adapted) and any electrical problems that might arise by sharing the clock line. Note: I was able to read the status of a PS/2 mouse but the sH wasn't connected at a keyboard at the time (and I won't attempt it either unless you do Tony ;-) Now the other solution for mouse type 2 (serial/ps/2 combo) is a lot easier to implement and I chose that as a. Is fairly common to find decent mice that are serial/PS/2 combos (I got a great IBM black mouse ;-) and requires no drivers at all, as in essence you are plugging the mouse to a serial port of a different shape (If you ask why in earth I just didn't use the adapter that came with the mouse... well just because ;-)... Not to mention that it's very easy to rewire the adapter if I change my mouse to a slightly different one :-) As for the sH Lite is the spare port connected? I was under the impression that it only worked on sH More info regarding the PS/2 protocol its electrical specs at: http://panda.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~achapwes/PICmicro/PS2/ps2.htm > > > > > >Pertaining to that project and regarding the Rom adaptor of the Aurora, > >I have a couple of questions to all you hardware gurus out there: > > > >1. What is the maximum effective length of cable one can make to > >connect a rom (or romdisq more specifically) to the Aurora? >Nil. RomDisq is very sensitive indeed to noise, and anything but direct >connection is likely to give date corruption problems, which will take >time to appear (probably). >This is not based on experiment, but on (strong) advice from Stuart >Honeyball (and common sense (8-)# ) I figured that much but what the heck it doesn't cost anything to ask ;-) > >I am planning on putting a port on the back of the case to plug in QL > >roms (and my romdisq) and I want to avoid any data corruption > >2. Is there a (simple) hardware (by means of a small led activating > >circuit) way of adding an activity monitor on the rom port with the > >Aurora (or QL)? (Kinda like the light the romdisq has on it, Since I > >will be plugging it in the back of the case, I will have no sure way of > >knowing if data is being exchanged between the QL/Aurora and the > >RomDisq, short of attaching a cable with led on the romdisq and I wanna > >keep the thing as "clean" as possible!) > >Mplane has an (optional) externally facing ROM port, just for what you >want to do. True but the Mplane will require cutting on the case and I am not willing to do that ;-) I will be plugging the RomDisq using the existing cutout for the parallel port on the ATX backplate. The only holes on the back are for the screws that retain the mini-din connectors for the PS/2 keyboard and mouse which are at the regular place of an ATX backplate. - Unless of course you can assure me that it will fit there ;-) and I will still have space for SER 1 and 2 and my kbd adaptors. In any case I was planning on using ATA-66 grade cable to minimize interference and make that about 2 cm long (not even... in essence a little longer than my existing Aurora/Rom port adapter). I will risk it ;-) Full specs so far include: Enlight BookPC V30 black/blue case w/200 W ATX psu, ATX to AT Power cable converter, 20 Gb hdd (already prepared... took me about a day to format it with QubIDE ;-), Hot Removable CF adapter (painted black ;-))) -BTW: Nasta did you fix my QubIDE?- Aurora/QubIDE mounted directly on the metal via the standard spaces and only half of the Braquet to hold the Q-Plane upright, 2.88 Mb ED drive (hardwired as explained about 5 months ago by Nasta on the list), network ports mounted on the ATX backplate where the sound jacks are usually located, sH ser3 converted to D-SUB 9, SGC and hopefully sometime soon GoldFire ;-). Everything is on it's rightful place on the standard cutouts or on brackets and only 4 holes are visible in the back (were the screws for the minidin connectors will be). Almost looks like factory designed ;-) All of the above complemented by round cables (approriately in black) and everything wrapped in an nice black/chrome cable tubing accent kit. I am debating whether or not I should install neon lighting and a cle
Re: [ql-users] I'm back (hopefully) - superHermes w/ PS/2 ports and Aurora Rom adaptor
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 at 13:16:58, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >Hello all, >I am back (hopefully) :-) >I was hit rather hard from a nice combination of hard disk crashes and >the Klez (while I was in the process of rebuilding my PC didn't have my >AVG anti-virus on - Thank God I got it on time and disabled my Internet >access ;-) ) virus from the list. >I have a couple of nice things going on, namely re-housing my Aurora in >a BookPC case (It's coming out rather nicely) and since I did all the >work on attaching only PS/2 ports on the superHermes instead of the >serial mouse port (works only with ps/2-serial combo mice) and regular >DIN port for the keyboard, I was wondering if anybody would be >interested in seeing the project illustrated by stages either on QL >today or the web. Yes please. It is something I had been meaning to do but never found the time. Where do you attach the Ps2 mouse - the 'spare' port? I had that in mind so a ps2 mouse could be used on sH LITE > > >Pertaining to that project and regarding the Rom adaptor of the Aurora, >I have a couple of questions to all you hardware gurus out there: > >1. What is the maximum effective length of cable one can make to >connect a rom (or romdisq more specifically) to the Aurora? Nil. RomDisq is very sensitive indeed to noise, and anything but direct connection is likely to give date corruption problems, which will take time to appear (probably). This is not based on experiment, but on (strong) advice from Stuart Honeyball (and common sense (8-)# ) >I am planning on putting a port on the back of the case to plug in QL >roms (and my romdisq) and I want to avoid any data corruption >2. Is there a (simple) hardware (by means of a small led activating >circuit) way of adding an activity monitor on the rom port with the >Aurora (or QL)? (Kinda like the light the romdisq has on it, Since I >will be plugging it in the back of the case, I will have no sure way of >knowing if data is being exchanged between the QL/Aurora and the >RomDisq, short of attaching a cable with led on the romdisq and I wanna >keep the thing as "clean" as possible!) Mplane has an (optional) externally facing ROM port, just for what you want to do. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] I'm back (hopefully) - superHermes w/ PS/2 ports and Aurora Rom adaptor
At 02:01 ìì 30/8/2002, you wrote: >Great to hear you're back. >Thinking laterally - monitor the existing LED with simple photoinput device >and dangle an repeater LED off it. > >Peter Goff Hi Peter, That wouldn't work as I am trying to avoid external solutions. I want to be able to plug in the rom externally with no other gizmos hanging out of it just like a regular QL :-) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] I'm back (hopefully) - superHermes w/ PS/2 ports and Aurora Rom adaptor
Great to hear you're back. Thinking laterally - monitor the existing LED with simple photoinput device and dangle an repeater LED off it. Peter Goff - Original Message - From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: [ql-users] I'm back (hopefully) - superHermes w/ PS/2 ports and Aurora Rom adaptor > SNIP Is there a (simple) hardware (by means of a small led activating > circuit) way of adding an activity monitor on the rom port with the Aurora > (or QL)? (Kinda like the light the romdisq has on it, Since I will be > plugging it in the back of the case, I will have no sure way of knowing if > data is being exchanged between the QL/Aurora and the RomDisq, short of > attaching a cable with led on the romdisq and I wanna keep the thing as > "clean" as possible!) > > Phoebus > Thinking laterally - monitor the existing LED with simple photoinput device and dangle an repeater LED off it. Or use a length of cheap fibre optic. Peter Goff --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02
[ql-users] I'm back (hopefully) - superHermes w/ PS/2 ports and Aurora Rom adaptor
Hello all, I am back (hopefully) :-) I was hit rather hard from a nice combination of hard disk crashes and the Klez (while I was in the process of rebuilding my PC didn't have my AVG anti-virus on - Thank God I got it on time and disabled my Internet access ;-) ) virus from the list. I have a couple of nice things going on, namely re-housing my Aurora in a BookPC case (It's coming out rather nicely) and since I did all the work on attaching only PS/2 ports on the superHermes instead of the serial mouse port (works only with ps/2-serial combo mice) and regular DIN port for the keyboard, I was wondering if anybody would be interested in seeing the project illustrated by stages either on QL today or the web. Pertaining to that project and regarding the Rom adaptor of the Aurora, I have a couple of questions to all you hardware gurus out there: 1. What is the maximum effective length of cable one can make to connect a rom (or romdisq more specifically) to the Aurora? I am planning on putting a port on the back of the case to plug in QL roms (and my romdisq) and I want to avoid any data corruption 2. Is there a (simple) hardware (by means of a small led activating circuit) way of adding an activity monitor on the rom port with the Aurora (or QL)? (Kinda like the light the romdisq has on it, Since I will be plugging it in the back of the case, I will have no sure way of knowing if data is being exchanged between the QL/Aurora and the RomDisq, short of attaching a cable with led on the romdisq and I wanna keep the thing as "clean" as possible!) Phoebus
