Re: [ql-users] Re: Graphic Tablet and QL TV-Toy (Arnould where are you?)
Phoebus Dokos wrote: BTW: Could you please change your line length to something sensible instead of infinity? > Well for one I don't have the sources (yet) but the fact of the > matter is that it works... They way I envisioned that Graphics > engine it's really a client server environment (as i put it to > Jochen, an X for the poor :-) Well, I quite like client/server graphics for working at home with university servers. It's just that most QL systems are too slow for something like that. Especially as client/server without good network ability is IMO not very useful. > (Note here: As it stands now, you could possibly get in and change > the standard screen routines -just leave the entry points in place- > with my own and everything should work immediately - but then again, It's not that easy. We'll talk again after you had a look at the sources ;-) > Hmmm you should help built software for a bot to compete in > BattleBots As you say, those are simple remote controlled robots, no need for AI there ;-) Out bots need to be autonomic which is quite a big challenge. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] Re: Graphic Tablet and QL TV-Toy (Arnould where are you?)
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 at 18:48:37, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <4133Y2VI76XVRQNJKXRC854HB32VU.3dcc4d55@quantumcentral>) >(IIRC when SMSQ/E is loaded atop of Minerva, the I2C port continues to >function...am I wrong?) Yes - there is an SMSQ module that enables the I2C - god I am suffering from directory loss again - can't think of his name. Lives in East London, and has a beard used be with spuddy... urmm, no it is gone. ah yes, David Gilham. That is what one has to go through to find the memory location (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Re: Graphic Tablet and QL TV-Toy (Arnould where are you?)
??? 8/11/2002 7:34:08 ??, ?/? Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > >Phoebus Dokos wrote: >> Hmmm until that time though I can still use SMSQ/E to try it :-) I >> do have a quasi-colour driver working on the Aurora (actually it's >> commands like print, circle, pic_load etc) under SMSQ/E... so >> it's a start :-) > >Why do you waste your time writing quasi-drivers? Get the sources and >add REAL support :-) Because I'll probably won't be able to make it, >I'm laking the time. Well for one I don't have the sources (yet) but the fact of the matter is that it works... They way I envisioned that Graphics engine it's really a client server environment (as i put it to Jochen, an X for the poor :-) The idea behind it however, will evolve to a meta driver after I strip SMSQ/E bare to leave in only the Scheduler and IO.SSS to add the driver framework I am envisioning. It all looks very good on paper but then again EVERYTHING looks VERY good on paper... even Windows ;-) (Note here: As it stands now, you could possibly get in and change the standard screen routines -just leave the entry points in place- with my own and everything should work immediately - but then again, IMHO the screen driver is not really a screen driver just a block of code that could be patched to ANY software... screen operations (just like any other kind of IO should be governed by a driver framework... For bitmap output devices such as a screen, writing a driver would be as easy as writing a configuration file pretty much) The fact of the matter is that the routines are here and they work :-) My original problem (since this QL Toy I am developing has already a primary use and client: ie. my daughter) has to be ready by Xmas... which means, lets see if it works in principle and I'll worry about the rest later :-) >My next year will be pretty much filled up with work for this project: >http://www.robocup.org/ >Here's a picture of one of our team members I have to help >programming: >http://www.swr2.de/biotopien/expeditionen/roboterfussball/popups/torwart_sepp.html > >I'm expecting much but very interesting work. And time is short, we >want to have it working before the next world championships in Italy. >All this means less time for QL related stuff. Although I think that I >will be able to squeeze some work in ;-) Hmmm you should help built software for a bot to compete in BattleBots =The prize money is really good by the way= (It's a series here in Comedy Central -You CAN get it in Germany if you have satellite-) which is a lot more funny than robots playing football... (Especially after the blades and hammers come out where they pulverise the opponent's bot (which until now are really radio-controlled ones clever as their owners) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] Re: Graphic Tablet and QL TV-Toy (Arnould where are you?)
Phoebus Dokos wrote: > Hmmm until that time though I can still use SMSQ/E to try it :-) I > do have a quasi-colour driver working on the Aurora (actually it's > commands like print, circle, pic_load etc) under SMSQ/E... so > it's a start :-) Why do you waste your time writing quasi-drivers? Get the sources and add REAL support :-) Because I'll probably won't be able to make it, I'm laking the time. My next year will be pretty much filled up with work for this project: http://www.robocup.org/ Here's a picture of one of our team members I have to help programming: http://www.swr2.de/biotopien/expeditionen/roboterfussball/popups/torwart_sepp.html I'm expecting much but very interesting work. And time is short, we want to have it working before the next world championships in Italy. All this means less time for QL related stuff. Although I think that I will be able to squeeze some work in ;-) Marcel
Re: [ql-users] Re: Graphic Tablet and QL TV-Toy (Arnould where are you?)
??? 8/11/2002 5:56:43 ??, ?/? Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??: > >On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 at 17:12:21, Phoebus Dokos wrote: >(ref: ) > >>I got two Crayola Tablets (they are serial) one for my daughter's >>killer QL system to >>draw on TV (and avoid the mess) and one for my Q40... It works just >>fine with my >>regular QL as an IPC mouse (trouble is no DOing allowed but that's no >>problem for >>me)... >That is via superHermes? Yes via the IPCMOUSE directive, works great :-) >>Preliminary specs for the toy: >> >>SGC / Aurora / RomDisQ or QubIDE/CF card for software updates >>Minerva MK II for I2C (see Lego) connectivity >I can see no basic problem with letting you use the pcb design on the >motherboard. It needs a GAL of course. Thanks for the offer but it's rather premature of course :-) I will buy a Minerva MKII from you to try it and then we can see... :-) (IIRC when SMSQ/E is loaded atop of Minerva, the I2C port continues to function...am I wrong?) Nasta said that an (equivalent of your IBOX) with 68SZ388 (or smaller) is extremely easy to manufacture *maybe even using parts from the Aurora* and that's where we could possibly talk on integrating the mkII and sH directly on the mainboard... After I am done with it (the prototype) and it's working I will try to sell it to a couple of these companies and see what's going on (Maybe Arnould with his contacts could help here?) >It would be up to Lau though, who is the sole representative of the >original design team. >>Since I haven't had an Aurora with a Minerva Rom so far I still don't >>know if the >>extra modes can be invoked like with SMSQ/E (with direct hardware >>access) but I >>am getting there :-) >They can't, but Lau said it was not too difficult to do. Hmmm until that time though I can still use SMSQ/E to try it :-) I do have a quasi-colour driver working on the Aurora (actually it's commands like print, circle, pic_load etc) under SMSQ/E... so it's a start :-) Phoebus
[ql-users] Re: Graphic Tablet and QL TV-Toy (Arnould where are you?)
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 at 17:12:21, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: quantumcentral>) >I got two Crayola Tablets (they are serial) one for my daughter's >killer QL system to >draw on TV (and avoid the mess) and one for my Q40... It works just >fine with my >regular QL as an IPC mouse (trouble is no DOing allowed but that's no >problem for >me)... That is via superHermes? I remember buying a tablet mouse in Boston just before a QL show, and actually trying it out for the first time during a talk I was giving at the show. It worked fine. I reckon anything that works through a standard PC serial port (without PC drivers for basic functions) will work on sH mouse port. I went to some trouble to get it to accept std RS232, despite the fact that most mice will work on TTL. >Preliminary specs for the toy: > >SGC / Aurora / RomDisQ or QubIDE/CF card for software updates >Minerva MK II for I2C (see Lego) connectivity I can see no basic problem with letting you use the pcb design on the motherboard. It needs a GAL of course. It would be up to Lau though, who is the sole representative of the original design team. >Since I haven't had an Aurora with a Minerva Rom so far I still don't >know if the >extra modes can be invoked like with SMSQ/E (with direct hardware >access) but I >am getting there :-) They can't, but Lau said it was not too difficult to do. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
