Re: [ql-users] Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: [ql-users] Re: £ 0.00 to spend! (1st a...

2004-03-19 Thread RWAPSoftware





In a message dated 19/03/2004 11:17:31 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
Huhu, 
  dada. Kindergarten level reached at last, and Roy pulls out the 
  intellectual waterpistol :-) Since the easiest way to escape that game 
  level is the 'unsubscribe' command, I'll just use it hereafter.I'm 
  well aware that I'm only a small candle in software development, not 
  comparable to the real free software heros like Mark Swift, Jonathan 
  Hudson, Richard Zidlicky and others. Nevertheless I think my offer was 
  necessary, although the chances it would be accepted were small from the 
  start.Those who think I still had free software ambitions left in 
  Post-Tony-Tebby SMSQ/E (and would therefore 'give a present') are as wrong 
  as can be. As far as I'm personally concerned Wolfgang can keep his 
  license forever - I simply don't care anymore.One last remark. 
  I've often been misinterpreted in a way that I'd want _everything_ to 
  become free software. This is not so, although I'd probably never want any 
  money for a piece of QL software that I write 
myself.
Having read between the lines in all this, the status of SMSQ/e and 
just how "free" it is, appears to be more a battle of wills between the parties 
concerned. I do not see that this situation will ever be resolved, 
especially now that various changes/additions to SMSQ/e have already been 
submitted and incorporated in the code. I wonder if all the people who 
contributed those changes would now agree to SMSQ/e and their code being made 
freely distributable under GPL, or would we have to go back several versions so 
that only Tony Tebby would have to agree to this (if indeed he now changed his 
mind to allow it)??

The whole situation is a mess and it is only the users who are losing 
out.

If Peter is unwilling to allow the majority of QL users have access to his 
code, then so be it - we will just have to accept that situation and move 
on. Most people seem perfectly happy with SMSQ/e and how it is now and the 
way in which changes are managed and released. Most people are ignorant of 
why Peter and others want SMSQ/e to be under GPL and also what changes 
this would actually bring. To tell the truth, I would bet most people 
simply do not care, so long as SMSQ/e continues to be developed and released for 
the good of the QL community.

Enough of the bickering.

If a programmer wants to release his hard work for only a small percentage 
of the QL community, then so be it. It's just a shame that very few people 
will ever see the benefits of his work.

Peter, if you no longer want to subscribe to this list, then this will only 
push you further from the QL community and even fewer people will know what 
great feats you achieve. However, it is your choice.

Maybe once the software is released, you will advertise it in Quanta and QL 
Today so that people will be aware of it, what it does and what is can be used 
on. However, I doubt many people will use it (alas) as there are so few 
who use QDOS Classic as their operating system of choice.

I wonder why people do not chose QDOS Classic as their main operating 
system. Could it be:
1) It has not been improved for some years (so far as I know, since it was 
ported to the Q40)
2) It has no pointer environment, which many people are used to, and which 
is used by a vast majority of current programs (IS THIS STILL TRUE)??
3) It is difficult to get running and cannot access the same files on the 
hard disk as SMSQ/e (if you have a dual boot system).
4) It still contains bugs left over from QDOS, and lacks many of the 
facilities of SMSQ/e (multitasking BASICs, faster interpreter, SERMouse 
drivers)

I stand to be corrected on these comments on QDOS Classic and I am sure 
that George Gwilt would love a simple step by step guide as to how to set it up, 
so that we can find out why QWord cannot open its TurboPTR windows under 
it.

--Rich 
Mellor RWAP Services35 Chantry Croft, Kinsley, Pontefract, West 
Yorkshire, WF9 5JHTEL: 01977 610509Visit our website at 
URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.ukStuck with ordinary dial up 
internet connection ?? Read our review of internet accelerators and 
broadband at:URL: 
http://www.rwapadventures.com/Services/reviews.html


Re: [ql-users] Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: [ql-users] Re: £ 0.00 to spend! (1st ...

2004-03-19 Thread Geogwilt
In a message dated 19/03/04 11:35:27 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
I stand to be corrected on these comments on QDOS Classic and I am sure that George Gwilt would love a simple step by step guide as to how to set it up, so that we can find out why QWord cannot open its TurboPTR windows under it.


It would have to be a very simple guide since with my inability to understand instructions (sometimes including my own!) it would be a stumble by trip journey instead of step by step.

George


[ql-users] Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: [ql-users] Re: £ 0.00 to spend! (1st a...

2004-03-19 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
SNIP
The whole situation is a mess and it is only the users who are losing out.
 
No, that is not the case. The users have gained by having a stable 
system that is being developed in a coherent manner. Peter could be part 
if that if he chooses and he could become a reseller - he had the offer 
- and then sell it at cost so making it, if effect, free.
If Peter is unwilling to allow the majority of QL users have access to his
code, then so be it - we will just have to accept that situation and move
on.  Most people seem perfectly happy with SMSQ/e and how it is now
and the way in which changes are managed and released. 
This is, in fact, what most of them have told me.
Most people
are ignorant of why Peter and others want SMSQ/e to be under GPL and
also  what changes this would actually bring.  To tell the truth, I would bet
most people simply do not care, so long as SMSQ/e continues to be
developed and released for the good of the QL community.
 
Enough of the bickering.
I agree. I just wanted to point out that, after months of peace on the 
subject Peter pops up and dangles a mythical carrot and starts everyone 
off again.
 
If a programmer wants to release his hard work for only a small percentage
of the QL community, then so be it.  It's just a shame that very few people
will ever see the benefits of his work.
 
True. And no reason at all why he should not give it away free as a 
module which can be bolted on to SMSQ/E. Did I say no reason?

--
Roy Wood
Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.
Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501
web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk