Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
On 17 Jul 2004 at 15:43, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: It's definitely not 'basic' It does have TCP/IP built in and now (due to the good work of R.Z and S.G) also sound (QLSSS) SSS - perhaps it does now, it didn't then. Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
On 17 Jul 2004 at 22:29, Michael Berger wrote: () The alternative would be to install a linux version. Maybe I will try this later. Wouldn't the alternatve be to install QPC2? Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
- Original Message - From: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouldn't the alternatve be to install QPC2? You are completely right. But only if you imply that every user is a power user. No doubt QPC2 is the most powerful software that has ever been written to emulate an environment that is mostly QDOS compatible. I just use the QL (or emulation in my spare time, playing around with code examples from old books etc.). I do not even consider running any serious applications such as text processing etc. within such an environment. My only purpose is to discover some of the magic of Sir Clive's black box - and learn some 68K assembler. Sometimes the behavior of SMSQ/E is somewhat different. For example I recently tried the job example real time clock from the book QL Advanced User Guide by Adrian Dickens. This behaves as expected under QDOS, but under SMSQ/E you must task-switch to either have that clock or the active cursor in window#0. Obviously the window handling is somewhat different. Please so not get me wrong, I do not say the old environment is better, but it is more compatible to examples from that time. That's why in many cases I do prefer the QLay - less power but more compatibility for what I am doing. Best Regards Michael ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:15:28 +0200, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17 Jul 2004 at 22:29, Michael Berger wrote: () The alternative would be to install a linux version. Maybe I will try this later. Wouldn't the alternatve be to install QPC2? Not when you wish to run old software. I believe that was Michael's reasoning in the beginning... Plus if you want to tinker a bit with the emulation side of things... :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
On 18 Jul 2004 at 12:42, Michael Berger wrote: (...) My only purpose is to discover some of the magic of Sir Clive's black box - and learn some 68K assembler. Hmm, I'd suggest that nothing but a true QL can give you the former, whereas QPC can certainly give you the latter Sometimes the behavior of SMSQ/E is somewhat different. Oh yes, since it incorporates the poiner Environment, it certainly does. For example I recently tried the job example real time clock from the book QL Advanced User Guide by Adrian Dickens. This behaves as expected under QDOS, but under SMSQ/E you must task-switch to either have that clock or the active cursor in window#0. Obviously the window handling is somewhat different. Yes, that is the classic example where the pointer environment will interfere with older software. Please so not get me wrong, I do not say the old environment is better, And even if you did, after all, thar's your opinion which I would respect as such! but it is more compatible to examples from that time. Agreed in most cases. However, I would suggest that much of the old software that deson't run on more modern machine was badly programmed, in that assumptions were made (about the amount of memory, the screen etc...) which had already broken when the SuperGoldcard came along.. That's why in many cases I do prefer the QLay - less power but more compatibility for what I am doing. (I confess my total ignorance of QLay) . Best Regards Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE
Thanks for the offer. He has only scanned pages 1-17, 69-83 and 102-103 as .PNG graphics files. Would like to think it would be possible to OCR them, but I tried feeding the files he gave me to my OCR program, they are too light and not detailed enough, it can't make sense of them. If they were OCRed they might be small enough to put on my website I suppose. As it is, the megabytes means they'll only be in the PD library and supplied on CD I suppose. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:45 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE Hi, I heard some time ago that the compiler could not cope with more than 1MB of memory so had problems with any expanded system. I have a copy of the manual so if you do not get all the pages, could scan send. Duncan Neithercut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dilwyn Jones Sent: 15 July 2004 21:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: I have been contemplating this for years :-) With the help of several nice users I have a very complete collection of software and games (which I previously owned anyway)... however due to the copyright problems that this would present I do not see it happening anytime soon. Of course if someone would like to hunt the original authors of most software (Including DP which couldn't/shouldn't be absent from such a collection) and get permission WOS-style, I would gladly donate the space. I do have currently approx 2 Gigabytes of compressed QL software and that doesn't include my progs. Can't help with the programs mentioned, but we have managed to get Computer One Pascal compiler released now for non-commercial usage, the former MD of Computer One (Paul Ives) gave permission to Jean-Yves Rouffiac who in turn asked me to make it available on a freeware basis from my website and PD library. He's sent me the compiler and the scanned manual on a CD, although there seems to be a minor problem which I'm chasing up with him regarding some missing manual pages. The compiler doesn't seem to run on QPC2 though it should be fine on QDOS systems (anyone game to try to have a look why?) This might make a nice little Quanta group project perhaps - form a group of interested members to chase up older software? -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
Wouldn't the alternatve be to install QPC2? You are completely right. But only if you imply that every user is a power user. No doubt QPC2 is the most powerful software that has ever been written to emulate an environment that is mostly QDOS compatible. I just use the QL (or emulation in my spare time, playing around with code examples from old books etc.). I do not even consider running any serious applications such as text processing etc. within such an environment. My only purpose is to discover some of the magic of Sir Clive's black box - and learn some 68K assembler. Sometimes the behavior of SMSQ/E is somewhat different. For example I recently tried the job example real time clock from the book QL Advanced User Guide by Adrian Dickens. This behaves as expected under QDOS, but under SMSQ/E you must task-switch to either have that clock or the active cursor in window#0. Obviously the window handling is somewhat different. Please so not get me wrong, I do not say the old environment is better, but it is more compatible to examples from that time. That's why in many cases I do prefer the QLay - less power but more compatibility for what I am doing. Why not try QemuLator? Like QLay, it does well with QDOS compatibility and will even run SMSQ-E (Gold Car dversion) if you want it. And you can select which QDOS ROM image you use (JM, JS, MG, AMinerva and their international equivalents all work) as well as memory configuration and speed levels if you buy the full evrsion, which is still cheaper than QPC2. QemuLator provides and excellent halfway house between QLay and QPC2! -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K Why not try QemuLator? you are right, good proposal, I will try it as soon as I can. In the meantime I would have one question: which role plays MINERVA within the evolution history of the Operating System? Does it already have the TK2 commands incorporated? If yes, how can I activate them? Kind Regards, Michael ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:37:41 +0200, Michael Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K Why not try QemuLator? you are right, good proposal, I will try it as soon as I can. In the meantime I would have one question: which role plays MINERVA within the evolution history of the Operating System? Does it already have the TK2 commands incorporated? If yes, how can I activate them? Minerva is a highly evolved QDOS compatible O/S. It pioneered many of the things that we now are taking for granted :-) It (or maybe She) DOES NOT have the TK2 incorporated. TK2 is loaded the same way it would be via QDOS. Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:15:28 +0200, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't the alternatve be to install QPC2? No slight to Marcel, but QPC2 is commercial and costs $$. UQLX is free. When it comes to computers I always try for the cheaper route, esp. with software. Hence I prefer MicroEmacs over QD, etc. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Byfleet 2004
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Ok, I think it will be in the Glendalough area againwould hate to come between you and Andrea, nad I enjoy meeting up with her too :-)) I did a Nasta - I did not mean to send that to the list. I will try and organise something for late august, no point advertising the fact 'cos nobody comes anyway!! :-)) We can try again. Who can come - the usual suspects I take it - John hall, Roy, Tony, Sturat (deliberate mispelling a la Tony!!) and maybe Steve Reyal and Dilwyn?? That is probably the case -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Byfleet 2004
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:01:26 +0100, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Ok, I think it will be in the Glendalough area againwould hate to come between you and Andrea, nad I enjoy meeting up with her too :-)) I did a Nasta - I did not mean to send that to the list. Hmmm a Nasta? :-D Is it anything like a hard dik? Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Byfleet 2004
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:46:34 -0400, Phoebus R. Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:01:26 +0100, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Ok, I think it will be in the Glendalough area againwould hate to come between you and Andrea, nad I enjoy meeting up with her too :-)) I did a Nasta - I did not mean to send that to the list. Hmmm a Nasta? :-D Is it anything like a hard dik? (And of course I mean the quote Tony loves to repeat)... I've done many of these throughout the years ;-) (Plus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
