[ql-users] Menu_rext
Tarquin Mills wrote: Marcel Kilgus wrote: Michael Berger wrote: Completely agree. Having the configuration information within the executable file itself is a messy and error prone thing. Why's that? What's error prone about this? And once you're used to this, it's actually a piece of cake. Level 2 is especially nice because it can update new versions of an application to the old configuration. Very convenient. Anyway, sorry for the dumb question, but isn't both Menu_rext and MenuConfig provided on the QPC disc? I might be wrong, I don't put the disc contents together and haven't seen an original disc in ages, but I thought this was the case. Menu_rext is not on the Q60 support discs for the same reasons, so I need a copy to. Has there ever been a version of Sernet for non QL computers and is there enough documentation in the public domain for anybody to write one? Well, Menu_rext is not freeware, to start with. Everybody is welcome to bundle it with his product for a small royalty fee. This is how it was in the past, and this will even apply to brandnew products like QDT. Nobody has approached me to have it bundled on the Q40/Q60 support disks, so it is no surprise it is not on there... but everybody is welcome to ask! And yes, it was not originally on the QPC disk as QPC did not have Level 2 right from the start, if I remember correctly. And when it had been implemented by Marcel, I simply forgot to add it. Mind you, all of the QPC customers seem to have other products containing menu, as there was not a single complaint over the years. I remember very well that at this time, QPC1 was also on the disk and it was completely full - we had to remove stuff. Probably about time to deliver QPC2 on CD... Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Menu_rext
As Jochen says MENU_REXT is not free, but is supplied with QD and other programs. MENU_REXT is supplied on the Q60 Software Package, which royalties are paid for the software inclusion. The Q60 and Q40 support disks never had MENU_REXT supplied for that reason. Why not do like I did and buy MENU_REXT out right and then get all the documentation to support all the great features of MENU_REXT. Read past issues of QL Today for documentation on SERNET and how to set up the network... is it worth another article I wonder or is the subject all articled out. Derek On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:58:04 +0200 SMSQ - Jochen Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tarquin Mills wrote: Marcel Kilgus wrote: Michael Berger wrote: Completely agree. Having the configuration information within the executable file itself is a messy and error prone thing. Why's that? What's error prone about this? And once you're used to this, it's actually a piece of cake. Level 2 is especially nice because it can update new versions of an application to the old configuration. Very convenient. Anyway, sorry for the dumb question, but isn't both Menu_rext and MenuConfig provided on the QPC disc? I might be wrong, I don't put the disc contents together and haven't seen an original disc in ages, but I thought this was the case. Menu_rext is not on the Q60 support discs for the same reasons, so I need a copy to. Has there ever been a version of Sernet for non QL computers and is there enough documentation in the public domain for anybody to write one? Well, Menu_rext is not freeware, to start with. Everybody is welcome to bundle it with his product for a small royalty fee. This is how it was in the past, and this will even apply to brandnew products like QDT. Nobody has approached me to have it bundled on the Q40/Q60 support disks, so it is no surprise it is not on there... but everybody is welcome to ask! And yes, it was not originally on the QPC disk as QPC did not have Level 2 right from the start, if I remember correctly. And when it had been implemented by Marcel, I simply forgot to add it. Mind you, all of the QPC customers seem to have other products containing menu, as there was not a single complaint over the years. I remember very well that at this time, QPC1 was also on the disk and it was completely full - we had to remove stuff. Probably about time to deliver QPC2 on CD... Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible?
- Original Message - From: Derek Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible? On QPC2 using SER2 10 BAUD 2,9600 20 LRESPR SERNET_SER2_REXT 30 SNET 1 40 SERNET : REMark Sernet file server On QL using SER2 10 LRESPR SIMSER_REXT 20 BAUD 9600 30 LRESPR SERNET_SER2_REXT 40 SNET 2 MB: from that listings I pick one thing up: the SERNET job (file server) must be only invoked on exactly one of both machines, is that right? When I follow these instructions and afterwards use the JOBS command I see on the QL only the sernet slave process and on the QPC both the sernet slave process and a process named SERNET V2.22 Still did not get the whole thing up and running, wonder if my cable is ok. and the SERNET process shows a priority of s126 - guess if it is suspended, something is going wrong? Cheers, Michael Now do DIR S1_WIN1_ which give to a directory listing of QPC2 WIN1. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible?
Michael, The SERNET job invoked by the SERNET keywor is the Sernet file server. Which ideally should be only issued on one machine, but you can have more than more server, but the Sernet system could get confused. The problem maybe the cable, as the SERNET files I sent you all work on my systems. Email the details of your cable to me and I will try and sort out the problem. Derek On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:40:33 +0200 Michael Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Derek Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible? On QPC2 using SER2 10 BAUD 2,9600 20 LRESPR SERNET_SER2_REXT 30 SNET 1 40 SERNET : REMark Sernet file server On QL using SER2 10 LRESPR SIMSER_REXT 20 BAUD 9600 30 LRESPR SERNET_SER2_REXT 40 SNET 2 MB: from that listings I pick one thing up: the SERNET job (file server) must be only invoked on exactly one of both machines, is that right? When I follow these instructions and afterwards use the JOBS command I see on the QL only the sernet slave process and on the QPC both the sernet slave process and a process named SERNET V2.22 Still did not get the whole thing up and running, wonder if my cable is ok. and the SERNET process shows a priority of s126 - guess if it is suspended, something is going wrong? Cheers, Michael Now do DIR S1_WIN1_ which give to a directory listing of QPC2 WIN1. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible?
that explains a lot! ... of course I could not execute MenuConfig ... because I unzipped it under Windows! So QDOS has no chance to recognize it as an executable. That is BTW one of my major problems at the moment: I do not yet have a working UNZIP prog under QDOS. Which prg / version is most recommended? There's a standard info-zip version available in the different QL software archives. It's self-extracting after using LRESPR. Marcel Jonathan Hudson maintains the QDOS version of ZIP and UNZIP. The primary source is www.daria.co.uk (Jonathan's site) If you want to try to recreate MenuConfig's dataspace, my copy has dataspace of 10240 bytes (10KB) -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] self explaining software
it is funny but to some extent I am a guinea pig for this aspect ... and I must admit self-documentation is really one of the weak points of QDOS and its successors! QDOS may be far superior to MSDOS, but it lacks the What's this? concept: whenever in MSDOS I do not know how to use a certain command I can query some help using the /? option. So for instance with dir /? I get a listing of possible commands. This shouldn't be too difficult to do. Write a basic extension called HELP - if it has no parameters, gives a list of commands it knows about, if it has one string (or possibly name) parameter, looks up either in its inbuilt help text file or the configured help file name for the help corresponding to that string. I'm sure there's a program or three out there to do this, though at the moment I can't think what the packages are called. Trouble is, SuperBASIC, SBASIC and the various toolkit extensions have so many keywords the help files might fill an unexpanded QL perhaps! Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Menu_rext
I remember very well that at this time, QPC1 was also on the disk and it was completely full - we had to remove stuff. Probably about time to deliver QPC2 on CD... Jochen I haven't sold that many copies of my software recently, but apart from the CD compilations, only one request for software on CD. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] self explaining software
In a message dated 02/08/2004 21:04:49 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it is funny but to some extent I am a guinea pig for this aspect ... and I must admit self-documentation is really one of the weak points of QDOS and its successors! QDOS may be far superior to MSDOS, but it lacks the What's this? concept: whenever in MSDOS I do not know how to use a certain command I can query some help using the /? option. So for instance with dir /? I get a listing of possible commands. This shouldn't be too difficult to do. Write a basic extension called HELP - if it has no parameters, gives a list of commands it knows about, if it has one string (or possibly name) parameter, looks up either in its inbuilt help text file or the configured help file name for the help corresponding to that string. I'm sure there's a program or three out there to do this, though at the moment I can't think what the packages are called. Trouble is, SuperBASIC, SBASIC and the various toolkit extensions have so many keywords the help files might fill an unexpanded QL perhaps! Why maybe you have been thinking about the HELP keyword which I wrote many years and appears in the Quanta library (and maybe your PD library I forget), or of course, there is now Q-Help from myself Quick plug over. -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 35 Chantry Croft, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JH TEL: 01977 610509 Visit our website at URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk Stuck with ordinary dial up internet connection ?? Read our review of internet accelerators and broadband at: URL: http://www.rwapadventures.com/Services/reviews.html ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
