Re: virtualdomains vs. VERP and Delivered-To

2001-08-06 Thread Charles M. Hannum


Charles M. Hannum writes:
 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ...
 
 This seems very wrong.  The Delivered-To: address here isn't even
 correct; it should be something the actually exists -- either
 `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' or `[EMAIL PROTECTED]'.

 Don't think of Delivered-To: as an address.  Think of it as a unique
 magic cookie derived from email delivery path.  You can always
 reconstruct the address if you know something about the delivery path,
 and sometimes you may indeed have to.

I don't need to be taught the religion, thanks.  I'm already well
aware of it.  And I don't buy it in this case.  What if
`[EMAIL PROTECTED]' *was* a valid, different
address?  It could falsely detect loops.  Maybe that wouldn't make
sense in this particular case, but I'm sure you can construct a more
palatable case with little effort.

Also, that doesn't resolve my VERP problem.




Re: virtualdomains vs. VERP and Delivered-To

2001-08-06 Thread Charles M. Hannum


 Also, that doesn't resolve my VERP problem.

 Sorry, I thought it did.  Why doesn't it?

Uhhh, did you *read* my first piece of email?  If I get a VERP address
of `[EMAIL PROTECTED]',
how pray tell is my mailing list software supposed to know that the
mail was actually sent to `[EMAIL PROTECTED]'?  It doesn't have a
prayer -- unless it knows about qmail's virtualdomains, which would be
a major abstraction violation.

VERP and virtualdomains just don't work properly together in a stock
qmail.




virtualdomains vs. VERP and Delivered-To

2001-08-02 Thread Charles M. Hannum


I have a mail host -- call it netbsd.org -- that's been running qmail
1.03 for rather a long time.  It uses VERP heavily to do automatic
bounce handling for mailing lists.  It also uses virtualdomains to
serve a couple of personal vanity domains.

In virtualdomains, I have:

spamalicious.com:mycroft-spamalicious
.spamalicious.com:mycroft-spamalicious

When mail is sent to `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' -- e.g. from majordomo
(please spare me the majordomo vs. ezmlm flames) -- I see:

From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug 
02 20:13:30 2001
...
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...

This seems very wrong.  The Delivered-To: address here isn't even
correct; it should be something the actually exists -- either
`[EMAIL PROTECTED]' or `[EMAIL PROTECTED]'.
For VERP to be useful, the VERP address needs to be the latter;
otherwise my mailing list manager won't be able to handle the bounces
correctly, since it will have the wrong address.

Has anyone fixed this problem already?