Re: Which RBL replacement?
At 04:28 AM 7/25/2001, Johan Almqvist wrote: chances are if you received mail from that address you'd know where to start looking. that ip is non routable on the Internet. :-) ~kurth * Peter van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010725 10:22]: On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:19:59AM +0200, Johan Almqvist wrote: [snip] Thanks for the pointers... I have a slight memory that rfc-ignorant also planned to do ip blacklists att the outset, but whatever... It will, probably, for any type of rfc-violation that makes IP blacklisting a valid method. For the violations they list now, listing IPs makes no sense. Wouldn't it? If I recieve spam from 192.168.100.1, I would like to be able to complain to postmaster at that host (or some host that whois discovers for that IP) about this... -Johan -- Johan Almqvist http://www.almqvist.net/johan/qmail/
orbs
does any one know why orbs is offline? ~kurth
Re: FYI: Windows is better
This guy reminds me of the guys in high school that used to brag about how their truck/car brand was better then another brand. my chevy could pull your dodge around in circles get a freaking lifeshut your mouth if your going to be a annoying little puke. there is no need for profanity on this list or otherwise. Grow up. Fuck..Shit...look mommy I can use four letter words.Let us know when you have graduated to 5 and 6 letter words, eh? speaking of crap in mail. lets review your headers. X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ X-URL: http://socha.net/ X-Uptime: 2:53PM up 45 days, 2:02, 2 users, load averages: 1.56, 1.47, 1.42 X-Operating-System: OpenBSD mail1 2.8 MAIL1 X-Editor: Vim-507 http://www.vim.org/ X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.16/Python 1.5.2 (openbsd2) good. my MUA really needs to know your uptime or your OS oh great!. now to really make you mad. below you'll see my comments. * Mark Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010705 14:52]: Ok. So we have: * 12 lines of signature * full quote (do you read from bottom to top? No? THEN WHY THE FUCK DO YOU NOT SET UP YOUR TRASHTOY CORRECTLY?) * no quote string * no attribution line * HTML to bloat your crap mail even more * fucked up line width sigh - no comment. And all of this is brought to you by: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Excellent analogy!! I love it! It's bullshit. And this is a technical mailing list. Your emotions are of no interest whatsoever. Go hug a tree, luser. neither are yours. get with it. Microsoft is like a little convertable sexy car, good for running to the store to buy a pack of cigarette. But if you decide to haul 18 tons of lumber, it is not the right vehicle. Bullshit. It's neither convertible (unless you'd like to draw an analogy between your top opening at 125mph and a BSOD) nor sexy. It's technically outdated, it's insecure, and it's made to be used by idiots. If you look up sexy convertible in a dictionary, you'll never find something a) made by idiots b) for idiots c) by an American company. well. I can tell your not a High School GradSexy Convertible won't be in the dictionary. its two words Einstein! And plus sexy is a derivative of sex so you'll have to look for sex. As such, how many average people use 18 ton trucks? And as such how much work is done by the trucking (or transportation) industry? The internet was neither invented by Gill Bates, nor by Al Gore. *WE* run it, and we don't use Windows. Ever. If you find using MacOS or $UNIX on your desktop too much of an intellectual challenge, please don't use technical mailing lists. and if you can't control yourself you'll have to have the teacher separate you from the rest of the class. If making come constructive comments aren't within your capabilities maybe you should un sub from this list. And please - If you do decide to un sub from this list don't mail the list and say how do i un subscribe? but you probably will anyway. And could you girls please take your lamer talk somewhere else? Like news:comp.os.advocacy? Oh. And DO NOT FUCKING Cc: ME. and maybe you could take your bitching to news:alt.lamer.bitching.moron :-) Kurth Bemis Owner: Ozone Computer Owner/Senior Network Administrator: USAExpress.net LLC HomePage: http://kurth.hardcrypto.com Man kann niemanden zu seinem Glück zwingen
Re: FYI: Windows is better
At 05:01 PM 7/5/2001, Daniel Duclos wrote: i can't tell ya :-) On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Kurth Bemis wrote: This guy reminds me of the guys in high school that used to brag about how their truck/car brand was better then another brand. Why, oh why, is this being discussed on a qmail list? Daniel Lobato Duclos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.cybershark.net --- Stand for something, or you will fall for nothing. (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.html)
Re: New Broadcast Message!!!
Why do you have to notify them.plus as a general rult of thumb any major upgrades should be done in the early morning when nobody's using the system. Why have 200 people asking why outlook pops up an stupid error message when you don't have to :-) what are you patching? the only thing we have to reboot for is hardware replacement and new kernels..everything else can be patched or compiled withoug rebooting. ~kurth Kurth Bemis Senior Network Admin/Owner: USAExpress.net Owner: Ozone Computer http://kurth.hardcrypto.com PGP Key Avail. - Uh!.Uh!.Uh!.I'm done with thisOut the window On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: Hi All: Previously I posted a message under heading Broadcast Message and got some good suggestions. I also got a response whereas the person responding thought that I was try to send spam. After reading my original posting, I think I need to clarify what I am doing and what I need (previously I did not do it to keep the message short). So here is the question: Our company has a mail server. It has RH 6.2 and Qmail 1.3 and very much else. This server serves to about 200 email addresses. We need to install a patch which will require the system to be re-booted. Therefore, we would like to send an email message to all the emails addresses on our company's mail server, informing them of coming re-boot. Any suggestion?? Kirti
Re: Quick tcpserver question
As far as i know i don't think that you do. I've been known to be wrong tho.. ~kurth Kurth Bemis Senior Network Admin/Owner: USAExpress.net Owner: Ozone Computer http://kurth.hardcrypto.com PGP Key Avail. - Uh!.Uh!.Uh!.I'm done with thisOut the window On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Gordon-Nildram wrote: Hi If you edit the tcp.smtp file then reload the tcp.smtp.cdb file using tcprules do you need to restart qmail for these changes to take effect?
Re: Trying to install Qmail !!!
At 11:27 AM 4/22/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can see your problem.
YOU DIDN'T READ LWQ
READ IT AT : http://www.lifewithqmail.org
after your done reading it...read it again...then ask on this list :-)
~kurth
The 2 first things are done - I have problems with number 3:
To create /var/qmail and configure qmail (won't interfere with sendmail):
1. Create the qmail home directory:
# mkdir /var/qmail
2. Read INSTALL.ids. You must set up the qmail group and the qmail
users before compiling the programs.
# groupadd nofiles
# useradd -g nofiles -d /var/qmail/alias alias
# useradd -g nofiles -d /var/qmail qmaild
# useradd -g nofiles -d /var/qmail qmaill
# useradd -g nofiles -d /var/qmail qmailp
# groupadd qmail
# useradd -g qmail -d /var/qmail qmailq
# useradd -g qmail -d /var/qmail qmailr
# useradd -g qmail -d /var/qmail qmails
3. Compile the programs and create the qmail directory tree:
# make setup check
How do I compile the programs? make-compile.sh doesn't do the trick. I
have the qmail-files in /etc/qmail-1.03/ and want it installed in
/var/qmail/ - /var/qmail/alias/ is correctly setup. Look also at the following:
[root@tweurope qmail-1.03]# ./make-compile.sh
exec -c ${1+"$@"}
[root@tweurope qmail-1.03]# make
Makefile:1369: *** multiple target patterns. Stop.
[root@tweurope qmail-1.03]# cd /var/qmail
[root@tweurope qmail]# make
make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
[root@tweurope qmail]# make setup check
make: *** No rule to make target `setup'. Stop.
[root@tweurope qmail]#
Please help,
Thomas.
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Re: alias with maildir
At 01:41 AM 4/18/2001, Patrick Wayne Tan wrote: i assume that you have postmaster going to root? check to make sure that you have a .qmail file for root to point to a non super user. ~kurth Greetings! I have just set up Qmail to use Maildir. It is working fine sending to an existing user. The problem is it cannot send to the alias mailbox such as ~alias/.qmail-postmaster. I think I'm missing something. I've already touched and chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-postmaster. It still returns this error: "deferral: Unable_to_chdir_to_maildir._(#4.2.1)". I have tried creating ~alias/.qmail-postmaster as a directory but qmail couldn't recognize it as a mail recipient. I would very much appreciate any assistance. Thanks! Patrick Kurth Bemis Owner: Ozone Computer Owner/Senior Administrator: USAExpress.net LLC HomePage: http://kurth.hardcrypto.com Man kann niemanden zu seinem Glck zwingen
Re: qmail
make sure that you have all your DNS stuff running correctly. this is impearitive..also check you /var/log/qmail/smtp logsthey may yeild something. ~kurth On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:48:36 +0200 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: qmail hi at all I installed qmail as lwq said. when i try to connect to port 25 i recive nothinks . It means that i don't recieve any error . i see the connection typing netstat -a but don't recive the server presentation . cheers Mauro
tcpserver - pop3d logging
i know that its been asked on the list before.but i can't remember when or the answer for that matter. i'd like to log the usernames from my pop users...to see who is getting their mail and whose not :-) i thought that there was a tcpserver or multilog switch for it...but i can't remember...can someone help me out :-) ~kurth
ticketing system?
does anyone know of a ticketing system, written in PHP for qmail? I found RT (www.fsck.com/rt/) but its perl (bleh) just wondering if anyone knows of anything that fits my request a little more :-) also - I need a way to attach a text file to EVERY out going message. Any ideas on that? ~kurth
Re: Tcpserver - GONE A BIT FAR ...
At 08:56 AM 3/27/2001, TAG wrote: HI ALL, Greetings, I am shocked and appalled at the absolute lack of courtesy, help and sympathy that is on this list. I have been here a while and while there comes a few newbies that can really ask some dumb questions - we were all there once... There is a distinct difference between someone who genuine doesn't know and someone that just doesn't read documentation. "How do i get qmail to start at boot?" is a classic example of someone not reading LFQ. Have some patience and help those less experienced than yourselves. If you do not like this - BUGGER OFF... It gets tiring to see the same 5 questions..recently someone asked me off list that LFQ didn't cover apache with PHP installation. I said that there was reason for this. APACHE AND PHP AREN'T EVEN RE MOTLEY RELATED TO QMAIL!! Those that do not RTFM (read the F'ing manual) sometimes do not have the time or the knowhow on where to find it - and that is why we have a mailing list - so we can ask others that know - and stop this needless bickering and band together. If you can't find a web site i'm surprised if you can boot lilo. Chances you got qmail from qmail.org...and what else is on qmail.org?...a whole section for documentation. Its very hard to miss...theres only about 30 links there :-) If you don't know how to read man pages use ./configure or make or learn to find documentation then you shouldn't even be looking at LINUX or other UNIX. (And for all those of you that are wondering, NO! Qmail will NOT run on Windows. :-)) It comes down to laziness and i think that a newbie qmail list would be good. I wouldn't subscribe...but it give the newbies a chance to work together and figure out how to read documentation. :-) Sorry to those who are offended - but thats tough ... I don't feel that its offensive...I have posted much worse to the misc@openbsd list. :-) Thanks Tonino ~kurth Russell Nelson wrote: Sumith writes: Mr. Robin is trying to discourage newbies like me from asking for help. No, he's trying to get you to try to help yourself FIRST. And regarding the question I posted, I figured it out See? You wasted our time because with a little more work, you answered your own question.
Re: 10,000 outbound emails
At 01:01 PM 3/22/2001, Bill Parker wrote: I don't see any problem with the machine - i do however see a problem with the situation. Isn't a mass unsolicited mail called spam :-) ~kurth Hi All, I have qmail running on a pent-133 w/32MB, kernel 2.2.14, tcpserver, qmailadmin, vpopmail, amavis-0.2.1, and NAI's anti-virus software. Everything is working just fine, however, one of the supervisors wants to send 10,000 emails through the box to various users (aka a mass mailing). Does anyone see any problems with doing something like this, or would you need more information about my current configuration of qmail? -Bill
Re: Qmail newbie question
At 03:37 PM 3/19/2001, Gerrit Pape wrote: did you read life with qmail? read it at www.lifewithqmail.org. Use the init script from there and you shouldn't have any problems. :-) ~kurth PS - to the list - yes, i know this is what I answer for every answer...however almost every question can be answered in LWQ. When ppl subscribe to this list there should be a notice in the welcome-notice that says "If your planning on asking questions, first read life with qmail written by David Still. (http://www.lifewithqmail.org)" :-) On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 12:19:57PM -0800, Johnson, Garrett wrote: This is what I get from ps -ef | grep qmail: root 503 502 0 Mar16 ?00:00:00 supervise qmail-send root 505 502 1 Mar16 ?00:54:39 supervise qmail-smtpd qmaill 507 504 0 Mar16 ?00:00:00 /usr/local/bin/multilog t qmails 508 503 0 Mar16 ?00:00:00 qmail-send qmaill 510 506 0 Mar16 ?00:00:00 /usr/local/bin/multilog t root 520 508 0 Mar16 ?00:00:00 qmail-lspawn ./Mailbox qmailr 521 508 0 Mar16 ?00:00:00 qmail-rspawn qmailq 522 508 0 Mar16 ?00:00:00 qmail-clean root 3883 505 0 12:20 ?00:00:00 supervise qmail-smtpd kill 3883. Should there be more processes running? Why isn't tcpserver running (keeping in mind that it isn't passing any email right now)? qmaild should run tcpserver. Your run script seems to be broken. Check with svstat /service/qmail-smtpd. Ckeck /service/qmail-smtpd/run, check the logs. Gerrit. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] innominate AG the linux architects tel: +49.30.308806-0 fax: -77 http://www.innominate.com
username logging
last week i think that there was a discussion about how to get tcpserver to log usernames from pop3d. I can't find the message anywhere. does anyone have the information on how to log the usernames with pop3d? ~kurth
Re: Only special user can send mail?
At 10:22 PM 3/15/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you may want to look at smtp auth. I don't have ready access to the list archives - however there are patches to make smtpd relay based on usernames and passwords. maybe someone will be nice enough to post the address for the patch. ~kurth PS - did you read life with qmail yet? (www.lifewithqmail.org) hi, There I have a question. Can I set qmail so that it can relay mails for some special users? Of cause ,the special user include maillist. Example: Qmail can only relay mails, and senders of mail are in a special file. That special file is created by mail master. Thanks. -- 21CN http://www.21cn.com Thank you for using 21cn.com Email system
Re: rc directory
At 08:39 PM 3/12/2001, Essy Ren wrote: whats teh /alias for? i think that you may have done a mkdir alias in / instead of /var/qmail. did you read lifewithqmail? read it at www.lifewithqmail.com :-) ~kurth I'll try install qmail to my computer, and I follow the instruction from INSTALL guide the problem is I don't find the rc direktori at /var/qmail/ There's only /alias /bin /boot /control /doc /man /queue /users Why it's gonna happen ? and should I make the directory by myself ? thanks ...
RE: Redirect email!
At 04:13 PM 3/11/2001, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: set the MX for ns1 to point to ns2. then sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will goto ns2 you'll still need some sort of mail app on ns1. just install qmail on both machines...:-) why don't you want to install qmail on ns1? ~kurth I have read "Life with Qmail" about 20+ times. I believe I did not make my question clear as your answer does not answer my question (or it does not seem to): In my case, ns1.mydomain.com has no mail package installed. On this server when a "Cron" job runs, it does not find a user account "news" because I deleted it (as part of another write-up recommendation). Therefore, the "Cron" job creates a message to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" informing that it did not find the "news" user account. This message display only during LOGIN process. Here is the login sequence: -- ns1 login: root ; user id root is entered Password: rootpassword ; Password is entered Last login: Sun Mar 11 15:06:21 on tty1 ; This message is displayed back You have mail ; System displays the mail message [root@ns1 /root]# mail ; I enter "mail" (system displays the mail messages...) (messages are addressed to "[EMAIL PROTECTED] and are generated by Daily Cron job) -- Having explained it, I don't believe, "LWQ" or any other write-up discusses this type of problem, if it does can you point the section where this type of situation is covered in "LWQ". My original question was "How can I re-direct the email messages generated on ns1.mydomain.com?". Your answer will make sense if I have qmail loaded on ns1.mydomain.com. In my original message, I said that ns1.mydomain.com does not have any mail application on it. ns2.mydomain.com does have qmail. Again, my question is; how email messages generated on ns1.mydomain.com can be sent to ns2.mydomain, which has qmail on it and ns1.mydomain.com is listed in /var/qmail/control/local? Kirti PS: I re-read "LWQ" before sending this message. -Original Message- From: Todd A. Jacobs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:08 PM To: Kirti S. Bajwa Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Redirect email! On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: When you refer to "desired address", is it the UID (which is "root") or something else? I have setup .qmail files and would appreciate which folder this particular .qmail file you are referring to? No, I mean an actual, deliverable email address. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is a deliverable email address. You put it in $HOME/.qmail for whichever user you want to forward mail for. Please read http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ before asking these sorts of questions. It's one thing to be confused about something in the docs (I often am, since they aren't very extensive), but it helps to at least have a foundation to understand the answers people give you. -- Todd A. Jacobs CodeGnome Consulting, LTD
Re: Redirect email!
At 12:10 PM 3/10/2001, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: put the account on the second machine in your .qmail file... did you read life with qmail yet? i don't think that you did.as you'd know because its in there :-) ~kurth I have two LINUX servers. One server ns1.mydomain.com is a DNS server (djbdns). The second server ns2.mydomain.com handles email (qmail), web, etc. When I am logging onto ns1.mydomain.com, I get a message on the screen that "You have new mail", even though I have no email application installed on it. I think the message is a "system" generated message that I have "news" account missing on the server or something similar. How can I setup qmail so that any system message generated on the first server ns1.mydomain.com are automatically directed to my mail server, which is mail.mydomain.com (located on ns2.mydomain.com)? Is this question for the dns mailing list?? Kirti
Re: OK I give up!!!
At 09:42 AM 3/9/2001, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: For the last several days, I have posted questions on POP3 not working. I have received several replies and I have gained a lots of knowledge. But the problem is still there and now I have decided to GIVE UP. I have re-formatted the disk and I start all over. So folks you know where I will be during the coming weekend. your mother was starting to worry - i just call and told her where you were going to be Previously I had "qmail" working, so realize, that there is something which I did wrong. But after spending three days non-stop to figure out why POP3 in "qmail" was not working, I AM BEAT. So I am starting from scratch. I would like you help in advising me if I am installing the software in correct sequence. THIS IS A CLASS PROJECT. I am installing the following software in the order it is listed below: well...why start with redhat? its buggy as hell and in general a poor excuse for a linux distro...try something like debianor if your open to new os's try obsd. i'm telling you - dump redhat and your life will be easier...the sun will shine, the birds will sing and most of all your machine will run correctly. :-) no really tho.if your just starting our redhat is fine IMHO..however if your putting this into production i'd use something else. 1. RH 6.2 1. Install a OS that isn't a corprate money maker and install one that is supported by the community, or install one that is ultrasecure.(when i say untra secure i mean one that comes locked down - no services running - you have to enable everything see www.openbsd.org for more information) 2. Remove Apache, PHP Sendmail 2. see above step (1) 3. daemontools-0.70 4. ucspi-tcp-0.88 5. djbdns-1.05 Note: DNS must work fore next item is installed will you be running name service? thats a whole 'nother list and about 1 more week of pulling your hair out. 6. checkpassword-0.90 7. qmail-1.03 (dns error manually updated in dns.c file) Follow instructions as outlined in "qmail-HOWTO" http://www.flunder.net/qmail/qmail-howto.html 7. READ LIGEWITHQMAIL @ www.lifewithqmail.org Note: Qmail must work before going forward 8. RH Patches from RH web site 8. Search securityfocus.com for latest exploits for your OS 9. Apache _1.3.12, mySQL-3.22.32, PHP-4.0.2, openssl-0.9.5a, mod_ssl-2.6.6 I followed installation outline in http://www.devshed.com/server_side/PHP/SoothinglySeamless/page1.html to install these packages you forgot to read life with qmail!!! read it it's everything that you need to know...its a walkthrough and everything! www.lifewithqmail.org! READ IT! don't even download qmail until you've read it. Please tell me if this sequence is the right one. Also is there any patches I am missing. I noticed that several people have discussed several patches to Qmail! yeppers - you forgot to read life with qmail. :-) Thanks for everybody's help. All of you folks are very helpful. thats why were here :-) Kirti
Re: What is so sad... Re: OK I give up!!!
At 12:07 PM 3/9/2001, Choz Sun wrote: Is that I run RH because I know every little step and package to install/un- for security and whatnot. I always wonder how much easier would my life be with OpenBSD :) read the obsd faq. Let me know when DPT Ultra160 Raid Cards work with *BSD. well - why don't you check the hardware list. I had a adaptec 29160N running fine under 2.7. Hey if you want to run redhat on production servers be my guest...i don't care - i'm not in charge of your IT dept. ~kurth Joe - Original Message - From: "Kurth Bemis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Kirti S. Bajwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 09.08 Subject: Re: OK I give up!!! At 09:42 AM 3/9/2001, Kirti S. Bajwa wrote: For the last several days, I have posted questions on POP3 not working. I have received several replies and I have gained a lots of knowledge. But the problem is still there and now I have decided to GIVE UP. I have re-formatted the disk and I start all over. So folks you know where I will be during the coming weekend. your mother was starting to worry - i just call and told her where you were going to be Previously I had "qmail" working, so realize, that there is something which I did wrong. But after spending three days non-stop to figure out why POP3 in "qmail" was not working, I AM BEAT. So I am starting from scratch. I would like you help in advising me if I am installing the software in correct sequence. THIS IS A CLASS PROJECT. I am installing the following software in the order it is listed below: well...why start with redhat? its buggy as hell and in general a poor excuse for a linux distro...try something like debianor if your open to new os's try obsd. i'm telling you - dump redhat and your life will be easier...the sun will shine, the birds will sing and most of all your machine will run correctly. :-) no really tho.if your just starting our redhat is fine IMHO..however if your putting this into production i'd use something else. 1. RH 6.2 1. Install a OS that isn't a corprate money maker and install one that is supported by the community, or install one that is ultrasecure.(when i say untra secure i mean one that comes locked down - no services running - you have to enable everything see www.openbsd.org for more information) 2. Remove Apache, PHP Sendmail 2. see above step (1) 3. daemontools-0.70 4. ucspi-tcp-0.88 5. djbdns-1.05 Note: DNS must work fore next item is installed will you be running name service? thats a whole 'nother list and about 1 more week of pulling your hair out. 6. checkpassword-0.90 7. qmail-1.03 (dns error manually updated in dns.c file) Follow instructions as outlined in "qmail-HOWTO" http://www.flunder.net/qmail/qmail-howto.html 7. READ LIGEWITHQMAIL @ www.lifewithqmail.org Note: Qmail must work before going forward 8. RH Patches from RH web site 8. Search securityfocus.com for latest exploits for your OS 9. Apache _1.3.12, mySQL-3.22.32, PHP-4.0.2, openssl-0.9.5a, mod_ssl-2.6.6 I followed installation outline in http://www.devshed.com/server_side/PHP/SoothinglySeamless/page1.html to install these packages you forgot to read life with qmail!!! read it it's everything that you need to know...its a walkthrough and everything! www.lifewithqmail.org! READ IT! don't even download qmail until you've read it. Please tell me if this sequence is the right one. Also is there any patches I am missing. I noticed that several people have discussed several patches to Qmail! yeppers - you forgot to read life with qmail. :-) Thanks for everybody's help. All of you folks are very helpful. thats why were here :-) Kirti Kurth Bemis Partner/Senior Network Admin/Engineer USAExpress.net Owner, Ozone Computer PGP key Available (http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth/pgp) == The world really isn't any worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. == Donate your wasted CPU cycles to Distributed.net (http://www.distributed.net)
Re: What is so sad... Re: OK I give up!!!
At 02:02 PM 3/9/2001, Sean C Truman wrote: after this post i'm a sending all messages regarding this to /dev/null the point that i'm trying to convey is that commercial linux (or any nix for that matter) distros are not as good as other alternatives. Let me give several reasons why (IMHO); Where ever there is a buck to be made people start getting greedy and no longer take pride in their workEG: Redhat7. It isn't a distro, its a poor excuse for a waste of plastic. I'm not going to go into the reasons why (if your interested contact me off list). Redhat (and other companies) are competing with each other. Sure competition is good, however to compete they strive to get their product out to the public faster. this means reduced quality of software. no way around it.I personally use Debian 22r2, why because Debian is IMHO the most robust, stable distro. Debian just works, I install what I want to install and nothing more, no X no sendmail if i don't want it, it doesn't get installed. Let me put it another way - What is redhat's business plan? To make money. What is OpenBSD's (Debian, FreeBSD, etc) business plan? Nothing, they don't have one. There is no money to be made. This ensures that the OS is polished, bugs fixed, and is ready for prime time. I personally love how redhat can package GLP'd software with their "secure server" and sell the package for $199.00USD. Oh support thats what you wantif you need telephone support you probably should be looking over some how-to's or some sort of documentation before installing linux. The newbies who need telephone support are usually the ones who come to lug meetings saying things like "Linux sucks, It totally screwed up my whole system" or "I tried to start the installation from explorer but it didn't work." well - i'll leave you to make your own decision...if you wish to discuss the matter further - contact me of list ~kurth Kurth, I have several production servers (some of which are running millions of active POP accounts) on redhat 6.2. Just because your perfered nix is BSD doesn't mean Redhat is of non-production standards. Just means that you dislike it because you probly don't understand it or use it. I personally never use BSD not because I don't understand it, nor because I don't like it. but because I personally perfer Linux. Just for a reminder this is not a BSD mailing list! Sean Truman - Original Message - From: "Kurth Bemis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Choz Sun" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: What is so sad... Re: OK I give up!!! At 12:07 PM 3/9/2001, Choz Sun wrote: Is that I run RH because I know every little step and package to install/un- for security and whatnot. I always wonder how much easier would my life be with OpenBSD :) read the obsd faq. Let me know when DPT Ultra160 Raid Cards work with *BSD. well - why don't you check the hardware list. I had a adaptec 29160N running fine under 2.7. Hey if you want to run redhat on production servers be my guest...i don't care - i'm not in charge of your IT dept. ~kurth Kurth Bemis Partner/Senior Network Admin/Engineer USAExpress.net Owner, Ozone Computer PGP key Available (http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth/pgp) == The world really isn't any worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. == Donate your wasted CPU cycles to Distributed.net (http://www.distributed.net)
qmtp
im looking for usage stats on qmtp. it sounds like something that i'm interested in however i wonder how many hosts use it ~kurth
Re: My qmail could not send to another host
At 10:36 PM 3/8/2001, The Afif wrote: take a close look at your /etc/tcp.smtp file. if you have no idea what i'm talking about then read LFQ - life with qmail get it at www.lifewithqmail.com. you aren't setting your RELAYCLIENT environment var. ~kurth Hello Miliser, I have problem with my qmail, I have been intall qmail and good work, when I try to send email to local (localhost and virtual domain) its goods work, but when I try to send email to another host I have message "Message has not been sent, server reply - sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthost(#5.7.1)" any one could help me pls.. Best regards, The Afif mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: no shell for qmail user (qmails, qmaill,...)
At 06:41 AM 3/7/2001, MassimoQuintini wrote: yeppers - use vipw on most linux systems...or just use pico and edit the passwd file - change the shell tp /bin/false ~kurth For security reason, can I disable shell in /etc/passwd for qmail users (qmails, qmaill, ...ect,) setting the shell to /bin/false ? Thanks Massimo Quintini Astronomical Observatory Collurania Teramo (Italy)
Re: user quota
At 10:11 AM 3/6/2001, M. Yu wrote: try using group quotas. put all the people that you want to limit in one group and then set that groups quota to 4 megs or so... ~kurth I've been thinking about this for quite a while now. I still can't come up with a solution so maybe someone here can help. Short version: we're looking for a way to make several e-mail addresses share the same mailbox. Long version: some of our clients want to have additional e-mail addresses (we give 1 client 1 e-mail address with a 4MB mailbox; some want as many as 10 addresses). We want to be able to give out more addresses (they don't cost us anything anyway) but want to limit the mailbox size to 4MB, no matter which e-mail address consumes more of the mailbox. This is basically a quota problem. Can anyone suggest a solution? M. Yu
microsoft RTFM?
finally! http://www.microsoft.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pub/mskb/Q209354.asp ~kurth
rbl
hrm..i seem to be having problems with ORBS and RBL. i have followed the instructions from http://www.summersault.com/chris/techno/qmail/qmail-antispam.html and modified my /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd/run file from #!/bin/sh QMAILDUID=`id -u qmaild` NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild` MAXSMTPD=`cat /var/qmail/control/concurrencyincoming` exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 200 \ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c "$MAXSMTPD" \ -u "$QMAILDUID" -g "$NOFILESGID" 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 21 to this #!/bin/sh QMAILDUID=`id -u qmaild` NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild` MAXSMTPD=`cat /var/qmail/control/concurrencyincoming` exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 200 \ tcpserver -p -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c "$MAXSMTPD" \ -u "$QMAILDUID" -g "$NOFILESGID" 0 25 \ rblsmtpd -rinputs.orbs.org -rblackholes.mail-abuse.org \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 21 i test the filter using - http://www.orbs.org/testingfilters.html and i get both mails back...am i overlooking something? after i tackle this i'd also like to see if anyone has any usage statastics on usage or qmtp. ~kurth Kurth Bemis Partner/Senior Network Admin/Engineer USAExpress.net Owner, Ozone Computer PGP key Available (http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth/pgp) == The world really isn't any worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. == Donate your wasted CPU cycles to Distributed.net (http://www.distributed.net)
Re: Client email won't download
At 10:19 PM 2/12/2001, Virginia Chism wrote: hrmsounds like a ownership problem...check ownerships on the files and dirs. they should be the user and group ~kurth I am running Qmail on a Unix box with BSDI 4.0 and Apache. My client has been trying to get his email, but the first message is so big his receiving program locks up. I went into /usr/var/vpopmail/users/hisname/Maildir/new and deleted the message with the lowest number, assuming that was the first and hoping it was the culprit. No such luck. My questions to you: Is there a command to show the size of the various emails in his box without opening each one individually? OR, did I go into the wrong list? Maybe /cur instead of /new? Which one actually delivers the mail?
Re: a question
At 10:08 AM 2/9/2001, =?iso-8859-9?Q?Yavuz_Ma=FElak?= wrote: well i see that your running tcpserver - and the line seem to be trundacated so its hard to tell what's running. however you included your start up scripts so that helps a lot. :-) did you try telneting to ports 25 and 110 on the machine. those are the standard smtp and pop3 ports. try typing ps -aux for a more detailed report. ~kurth I use Freebsd4.2 and I have installed qmail-1.03 I ' ve installed daemontools-0.70 , checkpassword-0.90, ucspi-tcp-0.88 when I type "top" I see as following; root 152 3.7 0.5 852 440 con- S 4:17PM 1:38.41 /usr/local/bin/supervise /service/qmail qmaild 153 0.0 0.6 892 540 con- I 4:17PM 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -H -R -x /etc/tcp.smtp. root 154 0.0 0.3 860 312 con- I 4:17PM 0:00.00 /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 root 155 0.0 0.5 876 416 con- I 4:17PM 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qm qmaill 52761 0.0 0.5 872 504 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.01 splogger qmail qmailq 52764 0.0 0.5 852 416 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-clean root 52766 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail root 52767 0.0 0.1 228 112 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-lspawn ./Maildir/ qmailr 52768 0.0 0.1 260 132 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-rspawn qmailq 52769 0.0 0.1 220 104 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-clean qmails 52770 0.0 0.4 892 372 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.01 qmail-send root 52771 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail root 52772 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail root 52773 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail root 52774 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail and I typed bootscripts in qmail.sh as following; ###qmail sh -cf '/usr/local/bin/supervise /service/qmail ' ###smtpd /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -H -R -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u 82 -g 81 0 smtp \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 21 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 pop3d /usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup trial.qwe.com \ /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir but I couldn't see qmail-smtpd , qmail-pop3d and qmail-remote services What shoul I do ?
Re: a question
At 10:29 AM 2/9/2001, Yavuz Maslak wrote: hrm - some versions of ps i guess don't show extended information. exactly what information are you looking for? heres my ps aux | grep qmail output trinity:/home/admin# ps aux | grep qmail root 187 0.0 0.2 1316 552 ?SFeb06 0:01 tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup trinity.usaexpress.net /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir root 188 0.0 0.1 1012 420 ?SFeb06 0:02 /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d root 193 0.0 0.1 988 308 ?SFeb06 0:00 supervise qmail-send root 196 0.0 0.1 988 308 ?SFeb06 0:00 supervise qmail-smtpd qmaill 202 0.0 0.1 1004 352 ?SFeb06 0:00 /usr/local/bin/multilog t /var/log/qmail qmaill 204 0.0 0.1 1004 352 ?SFeb06 0:00 /usr/local/bin/multilog t /var/log/qmail/smtpd qmails 10803 0.0 0.1 1044 396 ?SFeb06 0:06 qmail-send qmaild 10805 0.0 0.2 1316 560 ?SFeb06 0:00 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c 20 -u 1002 -g 1001 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd root 10810 0.0 0.1 1000 328 ?SFeb06 0:01 qmail-lspawn ./Maildir/ qmailr 10811 0.0 0.1 1000 332 ?SFeb06 0:00 qmail-rspawn qmailq 10812 0.0 0.1 992 340 ?SFeb06 0:00 qmail-clean trinity:/home/admin# send me your output and i'll try to narrow it down for ya. ~kurth yes I can telnet ports 25 and 110 on the machine but I can't see some daemons which qmail-smtpd,qmail-pop3d, etc, when I type as "ps aux | grep qmail" - Original Message ----- From: "Kurth Bemis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Yavuz Malak" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: Re: a question At 10:08 AM 2/9/2001, =?iso-8859-9?Q?Yavuz_Ma=FElak?= wrote: well i see that your running tcpserver - and the line seem to be trundacated so its hard to tell what's running. however you included your start up scripts so that helps a lot. :-) did you try telneting to ports 25 and 110 on the machine. those are the standard smtp and pop3 ports. try typing ps -aux for a more detailed report. ~kurth I use Freebsd4.2 and I have installed qmail-1.03 I ' ve installed daemontools-0.70 , checkpassword-0.90, ucspi-tcp-0.88 when I type "top" I see as following; root 152 3.7 0.5 852 440 con- S 4:17PM 1:38.41 /usr/local/bin/supervise /service/qmail qmaild 153 0.0 0.6 892 540 con- I 4:17PM 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -H -R -x /etc/tcp.smtp. root 154 0.0 0.3 860 312 con- I 4:17PM 0:00.00 /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 root 155 0.0 0.5 876 416 con- I 4:17PM 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qm qmaill 52761 0.0 0.5 872 504 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.01 splogger qmail qmailq 52764 0.0 0.5 852 416 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-clean root 52766 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail root 52767 0.0 0.1 228 112 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-lspawn ./Maildir/ qmailr 52768 0.0 0.1 260 132 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-rspawn qmailq 52769 0.0 0.1 220 104 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-clean qmails 52770 0.0 0.4 892 372 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.01 qmail-send root 52771 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail root 52772 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail root 52773 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail root 52774 0.0 0.4 840 356 ?? R 4:47PM 0:00.00 qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail and I typed bootscripts in qmail.sh as following; ###qmail sh -cf '/usr/local/bin/supervise /service/qmail ' ###smtpd /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -H -R -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u 82 -g 81 0 smtp \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 21 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 pop3d /usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup trial.qwe.com \ /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir but I couldn't see qmail-smtpd , qmail-pop3d and qmail-remote services What shoul I do ?
Re: virtual pop e-mails
At 06:41 PM 2/7/2001, Alex wrote: ARG!!! READ LIFE WITH QMAIL...its THE how-to for qmail. everything you need is in there. you must of read it once as you have qmail running. I know that you can read as to write you must have basic reading skills. check it out at http://www.lifewithqmail.org ~kurth Hi, Does anyone can tell me, how can I make virtual POP e-mails? I didn't find any information about this. I have server, running Slackware 7.1 Linux and qmail 1.03 as smtp server. My friend asked me to host his website on my server, so I made him name based hosting in Apache, but now he wants also to have e-mail @hisdomain.com. I added his domain name to /var/qmail/control/rcptdomains, and his e-mail is now [EMAIL PROTECTED] But it's not enough for him: he want to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , etc.. I don't want to create so many accounts on my system.. (he need up to 40 or 50 e-mail addresses).. thanks. Aleks
Re: relaying restrictions
At 10:22 AM 2/7/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please read life with qmail by dave sill @ http://www.lifewithqmail.org your looking for something called tcp.smtp ~kurth Hi If anyone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. I would like qmail to relay for a user if he/she comes from an allowable IP address and/or from an allowable domain. Right now the server is only allowing relaying for people within allowable IP ranges and from one specific domain. Would I need the whole list of domains we host along with their users corresponding ip address ranges in the tcp.smtp and relaymailfrom files? i would like to set relaying up based almost exclusively on ip address ranges, with the exception of allowing relaying from one particular domain. ideas? thanks brendan
Re: Outbound sending..
At 10:58 AM 2/4/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you need something called tcp.smtp. it defines who can relay and who can't. check out LWQ @ http://www.lifewithqmail.org it goes over this in depth :-) ~kurth All of my users when trying to send to aol or other off system sites are getting this error. sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts(#5.7.1) Well why should aol.com or msn.com or anything off site be in rcpthosts? What am I missing on my qmail server to do this.. Any help would greatly be apreciated.. It has to be simple I am sure :) --Matt
Re: anybody know howto make 3 virtual domain in the one machine,and each virtualdomain not use the fullname(mean username is test@abc.com)??
At 10:15 PM 2/7/2001, dick wrote: sigh.i think we all know the awnser read LWQ at http://www.lifewithqmail.org dave - you should charge $1.00 for every person that reads LWQ, you'd be a very wealthy man. :-) ~kurth any suggestion is welcome.
Re: High MEM Usage??
At 09:34 AM 2/4/2001, Sumith Ail wrote: try free -m -t... don't freak out about buffers.its just buffers that can be overwritten.. ~kurth Hello, We have just received our server which is a Dual PIII with 512 MB RAM , RH Linux 6.2 Box. I have installed qmail on this with tcpserver, Now the meminfo shows cat /proc/meminfo total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 529530880 364380160 165150720 72847360 300982272 24657920 Swap: 10485514240 1048551424 MemTotal:517120 kB MemFree: 161280 kB MemShared:71140 kB Buffers: 293928 kB Cached: 24080 kB BigTotal: 0 kB BigFree: 0 kB SwapTotal: 1023976 kB SwapFree: 1023976 kB There is hardly anybody using this server...please let me know how can I find out which process is using so much of memory. Kind Regards Sumith
Re: pop3 question!
At 10:18 PM 1/17/2001, Peter Cavender wrote: look into imap. imap holds all the mail boxes and messages on the server. this makes it easy for me to check my mail on different computers then come home and POP it all to my machine. :-) for qmail you'd want courier-imap. get it at inner7.com ~kurth The POP daemon will only remove messages when told to do so by the user's email client software. Eudora, for example, tells the server to delete each message after it has been downloaded. The client software can opt to not delete the messages at all. --Pete On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, kh wrote: Is it the pop3 will remove all the emails from the mailbox after all emails were downloaded to the local mailbox or pop3 daemon will delete email by email after each email was downloaded? thanks
hrm....pop3d
having a bit of a problem with qmail-poop3d. when i start it fro mmy init script i get this funky error in the log file. Jan 12 06:54:30 noname pop3d: 979300470.784986 tcpserver: fatal: unable to figure out port number for pop-3Jan 12 06:54:31 noname qmail: 979300471.799484 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 any have any idea what could be causing this? when i telnet to the box/ip on port 110 i get no connection. I'm running openbsd 2.8 with qmail 1.03 and daemon tools .70 with checkpassword .81 ~kurth
why -o- why?
coming fro ma sendmail background i have a few questions about the method that qmail does things. 1) If a local user doesn't exist sendmail gives you a error when sending mail. IE - i send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the local account or alias kurthb doesn't exist so before accepting the message for delivery sendmail says User Unknows or whatever it says. Why didn't DJB have qmail do something similar. plus doesn't the sendmail method cut down on the number of disk writes? If somebody has a clear answer I'd love to hear it. Maybe DJB cares to address it himself :-) ~kurth
freaking MS crap
I own a ISP and we're having problems with the "Snowhite Virus" and outlook users...its running rampant..from about 3 weeks back we got one or 2 bounces a week..now we're up to 40 a day I have created a controls/badmailfrom and added [EMAIL PROTECTED] however mail still goes thoughany ideas why this isn't rejecting mail? I have looked at the logs and it seems that qmail treats it as a regular mail without checking... any ideas? ~kurth
list
i have a text file that that contains a list of email addresses...i want to create a dot qmail to send a mail to all the addressescan i just have a .qmail-users file contain /etc/usausers.lst? How can i do this as a quick and dirty hack.. :-) ~kurth Kurth Bemis - Network/Systems Administrator, USAExpress.net/Ozone Computer People disagree with me. I just ignore them. -- Linus Torvalds, regarding the use of C++ for the Linux kernel [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth PGP key available - http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth/pgp Fight Weak Encryption! Donate your wasted CPU cycles to Distributed.net (http://www.distributed.net)
vhosts
hrm...i having trouble setting up vhosts. here what i do... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:fowarder-jrehomes that goes to ~fowarder/.qmail-jrehomes-sales in that file i have salesjre salesjre is a local account. what am i doing wrong? as far as i can see i did everything in the qmail howto correctly ~kurth Kurth Bemis - Network/Systems Administrator, USAExpress.net/Ozone Computer People disagree with me. I just ignore them. -- Linus Torvalds, regarding the use of C++ for the Linux kernel [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth PGP key available - http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth/pgp Fight Weak Encryption! Donate your wasted CPU cycles to Distributed.net (http://www.distributed.net)
Re: vhosts
At 11:10 AM 12/21/2000 -0500, Chris Johnson wrote: your right - i was a bit unclear my logs say this- Dec 21 10:15:58 usa qmail: 977411758.715849 delivery 1046: failure: Sorry._Although_I'm_listed_as_a_best-preference_MX_or_A_for_that_host,/it_isn't_in_my_control/locals_file,_so_I_don't_treat_it_as_local._(#5.4.6)/ but my locals file contains this- usaexpress.net usa.usaexpress.net mail.usaexpress.net www.usaexpress.net in my /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains file contains this jrehomes.com:forwarder-jrehomes harborfresh.com:forwarder-harborfresh ferretwise.org:forwarder-ferretwise then in my ~fowarder/.qmail-jrehomes-sales i have salesjre hopefully this will be a little more complete ~kurth On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Kurth Bemis wrote: hrm...i having trouble setting up vhosts. here what i do... The term "vhosts" has no meaning in qmail. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:fowarder-jrehomes Where did you put this? that goes to ~fowarder/.qmail-jrehomes-sales in that file i have salesjre salesjre is a local account. what am i doing wrong? Who knows? You haven't said what your problem is, and what the logs indicate. Chris
relaying?
ok well with the qmail-smtp problems outta the way i am confused about relaying rules this is my /etc/tcp.smtp file 127.0.0.1:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" g4.net:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" however this does not work...when i send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i get this message Can't send to ". The server gives this reason: '553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts(#5.7.1)'. as i understand it rcpthosts is the file that holds all the domains that you have on your machine. can somebody point me in the right direction? ~kurth Kurth Bemis - Network/Systems Administrator, USAExpress.net/Ozone Computer People disagree with me. I just ignore them. -- Linus Torvalds, regarding the use of C++ for the Linux kernel [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth PGP key available - http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth/pgp Fight Weak Encryption! Donate your wasted CPU cycles to Distributed.net (http://www.distributed.net)
