IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread mick

hello, sorry for the off topic post. 
real quick; had a server x.x.x.110 running sendmail.
getting complaints of spam originating from that box.
removed IP, still getting complaints.
turned system off, still getting complaints.

Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
headers:
  Received: from mailserv01.dartgc.com ([207.34.255.70])
by southwind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21910
for x; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
  Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Received: from ngqjz.msn.com ([x.x.x.110]) by
  mailserv01.dartgc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
  Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id H5VRZ1Y1; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:20 -0400

Again, sorry for the off topic post, and thanks.

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Systems Administrator
MTCO Communications
1-800-859-6826
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Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread Alex Pennace

On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 04:00:32PM -0500, mick wrote:
 hello, sorry for the off topic post. 
 real quick; had a server x.x.x.110 running sendmail.
 getting complaints of spam originating from that box.
 removed IP, still getting complaints.
 turned system off, still getting complaints.
 
 Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
 headers:
   Received: from mailserv01.dartgc.com ([207.34.255.70])
 by southwind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21910
 for x; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
   Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Received: from ngqjz.msn.com ([x.x.x.110]) by
   mailserv01.dartgc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
   Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
 id H5VRZ1Y1; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:20 -0400

How is anyone supposed to give you a sure answer if you munge/hide
relevant information?



Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread mick

The system is off, and has had that ip removed. It no longer belongs to a
functioning system. 207.179.205.110 if it helps.

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Alex Pennace wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 04:00:32PM -0500, mick wrote:
  hello, sorry for the off topic post. 
  real quick; had a server x.x.x.110 running sendmail.
  getting complaints of spam originating from that box.
  removed IP, still getting complaints.
  turned system off, still getting complaints.
  
  Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
  headers:
Received: from mailserv01.dartgc.com ([207.34.255.70])
  by southwind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21910
  for x; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from ngqjz.msn.com ([x.x.x.110]) by
mailserv01.dartgc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
  id H5VRZ1Y1; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:20 -0400
 
 How is anyone supposed to give you a sure answer if you munge/hide
 relevant information?
 
 

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Mick Dobra
Systems Administrator
MTCO Communications
1-800-859-6826
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Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread mick

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Alex Pennace wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 04:00:32PM -0500, mick wrote:
  hello, sorry for the off topic post. 
  real quick; had a server x.x.x.110 running sendmail.
  getting complaints of spam originating from that box.
  removed IP, still getting complaints.
  turned system off, still getting complaints.
  
  Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
  headers:
Received: from mailserv01.dartgc.com ([207.34.255.70])
  by southwind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21910
  for x; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from ngqjz.msn.com ([x.x.x.110]) by
mailserv01.dartgc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
  id H5VRZ1Y1; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:20 -0400
 
 How is anyone supposed to give you a sure answer if you munge/hide
 relevant information?

As an additional note: Looks like every system receiving the spam are
Exchange servers. Is someone exploiting an exchange fault? 

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Mick Dobra
Systems Administrator
MTCO Communications
1-800-859-6826
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Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread Charles Cazabon

mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?

Short answer:  yes.  Spammers are getting better at spoofing mail headers, as
misguided "spam protection" features in MTAs force them to.

Long answer:  can't analyze the situation properly when you munge header
information.  You might try running the headers through SpamCop or SamSpade to
see if they can detect the header forgery.

Charles
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Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread mick

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote:

 mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
 
 Short answer:  yes.  Spammers are getting better at spoofing mail headers, as
 misguided "spam protection" features in MTAs force them to.
 
 Long answer:  can't analyze the situation properly when you munge header
 information.  You might try running the headers through SpamCop or SamSpade to
 see if they can detect the header forgery.


munge the headers? that was a direct copy from the spamcop message! I
changed the ip address because that ip (and the server it used to be
on) is no longer operational. but thats it. 207.179.205.110 was the
address.
 
 Charles

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Mick Dobra
Systems Administrator
MTCO Communications
1-800-859-6826
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Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread Chris Garrigues

 From:  mick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:  Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:00:54 -0500 (CDT)

 hello, sorry for the off topic post. 
 real quick; had a server x.x.x.110 running sendmail.
 getting complaints of spam originating from that box.
 removed IP, still getting complaints.
 turned system off, still getting complaints.
 
 Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
 headers:
   Received: from mailserv01.dartgc.com ([207.34.255.70])
 by southwind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21910
 for x; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
   Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Received: from ngqjz.msn.com ([x.x.x.110]) by
   mailserv01.dartgc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
   Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
 id H5VRZ1Y1; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:20 -0400
 
 Again, sorry for the off topic post, and thanks.

Who controls 207.34.255.70 and is it really mailserv01.dartgc.com?

Chris

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