Lost the Battle
Hi all... For the past 3 weeks I have been fighting the battle to move our dieing email server from a proprietary solution to qmail. I had devoted 3 months of research and development (with a lot of help from this list) to making sure that the qmail server has all the features required by our organization. My nightmare began when management announced a new business development manager. My qmail project, only 1 week away from implementation, was canned, we are now moving to Lotus Notes. I'd like to thank everyone for there help over the 3 months, without you guys, I don't think I could have even taken the project this far. Regards Dennis
RE: Lost the Battle
On 28-Feb-2001 dennis wrote: > My qmail project, only 1 week away from implementation, was canned, we are > now moving to Lotus Notes. Condolences. A company I used to work with also replaced the qmail I installed (and which had worked flawlessly for 18 months) with Notes (they wanted shared calendars :-). Two months later, they had to be rescued by their ISP because they were being used as a SPAM relay. Stefaan -- How's it supposed to get the respect of management if you've got just one guy working on the project? It's much more impressive to have a battery of programmers slaving away. -- Jeffrey Hobbs (comp.lang.tcl)
Re: Lost the Battle
I must say being someone who's installed NOTES (R5) that it's all up to who installed/configured it and their level of understanding of the product. Trouble with groupware products like Notes and Exchange is companies figure they dont need moderate/highly priced people who actually understand what they are doing (it's GUI, so it's easy, right?) This is the downfall of today's reality in alot of companies, they trade experienced employees for 'turn key' and 'easily maintainable' products which seemly dont need an experienced staff to administer. Or at least that's the crap managers are being sold on. I must say if I hear another Lotus rep extoll the virtues of "knowledgeware" one more time I'll shoot them! :) Sorry, my rant for the month. -Jason On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:41:56 +0100 (MET) Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 28-Feb-2001 dennis wrote: > > My qmail project, only 1 week away from implementation, was canned, we are > > now moving to Lotus Notes. > > Condolences. A company I used to work with also replaced the qmail > I installed (and which had worked flawlessly for 18 months) with > Notes (they wanted shared calendars :-). Two months later, they > had to be rescued by their ISP because they were being used as > a SPAM relay. > > Stefaan > -- > How's it supposed to get the respect of management if you've got just > one guy working on the project? It's much more impressive to have a > battery of programmers slaving away. -- Jeffrey Hobbs (comp.lang.tcl) >
Re: Lost the Battle
>My qmail project, only 1 week away from implementation, was canned, we are >now moving to Lotus Notes. Well, it's not a total loss. At least you learned something about qmail. -Dave
Re: Lost the Battle
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:19:34AM -0500, Dave Sill wrote: > >My qmail project, only 1 week away from implementation, was canned, we are > >now moving to Lotus Notes. > > Well, it's not a total loss. At least you learned something about > qmail. And maybe you can convince your company to use qmail as your email relay server on the firewall. Use Notes internally in a protected environment and only expose qmail to that nasty world out there. Sure you could expose your Notes server to the Internet, but do you really want to with all that company data so close at hand? Sure you could also buy a seperate Notes server and license just as a firewall box, but is that cost effective and is it the most secure choice? Regards.
Re: Lost the Battle
Dennis, I'm strongly advice you to keep fighting for your qmail as a frontend out to internet. IDG use notes all over the world, and of course from time to time there is problems related to third-party relaying. This is with R5 peace of cake to take care of, but it has to be done since it's not enabled as default. At IDG in norway, we use qmail as a frontend. One of the reasons is that IDG New Media is an ISP, and we do need the flexibility that qmail and it's modularity offers. Using qmail as the frontend, relaying for the notes server works flawlessly through the firewall only allowing the qmailservers through the fw. hope this gives you new fighting spirit ;-) regards -- IDG New MediaEinar Bordewich Development Manager Phone: +47 2336 1420 E-Mail: eibo(at)newmedia.no Lat: 59.91144 N Lon: 10.76097 E - Original Message - From: "dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Lost the Battle > Hi all... > > For the past 3 weeks I have been fighting the battle to move our dieing > email server from a proprietary solution to qmail. I had devoted 3 months of > research and development (with a lot of help from this list) to making sure > that the qmail server has all the features required by our organization. > > My nightmare began when management announced a new business development > manager. > > My qmail project, only 1 week away from implementation, was canned, we are > now moving to Lotus Notes. > > I'd like to thank everyone for there help over the 3 months, without you > guys, I don't think I could have even taken the project this far. > > Regards > Dennis > >
Re: Lost the Battle
At 03:24 PM 01-03-2001 +, Mark Delany wrote: >On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:19:34AM -0500, Dave Sill wrote: >> >My qmail project, only 1 week away from implementation, was canned, we are >> >now moving to Lotus Notes. >> >> Well, it's not a total loss. At least you learned something about >> qmail. > >And maybe you can convince your company to use qmail as your email >relay server on the firewall. Use Notes internally in a protected >environment and only expose qmail to that nasty world out there. Yah, that's very similar to what I'm doing. qmail on the firewall. qmail doesn't do a lot of what Notes does, so if they really want those stuff, then yeah Notes could be a good choice. Thing is I'm not sure that qmail would really protect mailservers behind the firewall from the usual buffer overflow stuff. For example, if an attacker sends a mail with a huge GMT field, will it still go through qmail unfiltered? I get the impression that qmail does very little reprocessing of the message. Of course you can't protect mailservers totally, but I figure one could make a pretty good try with the obvious cases (typical buffer overflows, validation checks etc). Maybe I could make a filtering module and stick it in after qmail-smtpd or something. Cheerio, Link.
Re: Lost the Battle
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:19:34AM -0500, Dave Sill wrote: > >My qmail project, only 1 week away from implementation, was canned, we are > >now moving to Lotus Notes. > > Well, it's not a total loss. At least you learned something about > qmail. > Shoot, its not over until Notes is working. I went through a Notes implementation and a few months later watched Exchange come in. -- | I am not sure how many monkeys it would take to type out the works of Shakespear. I do know how many cats it would take to spam a maillist if I leave my computer on. AA4YU http://www.beekeeper.org http://www.q7.net
